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“In the LTV steel case, there was never any question that coal miners and their surviving spouses would receive their full benefits under the Coal Act,” spokeswoman Alethea Harney. “This case involved bankruptcy principles and who would pay what into the fund.”
People read but apparently many of us do not understand what they have read.
What part of WHO PAYS confuses you guys?
Apparently all of it.
I just found a 2006 interview of Warren. Check this out:
Q: LTV [Steel] went into bankruptcy twice. What is the significance of the LTV case Is there a template here? Are we seeing a kind of a pattern played out?
WARREN: LTV was one of the first big corporations that carefully moved all of its assets outside the reach of the employees. There have been plenty of corporations that had moved some of the assets away, but LTV took it to a new art form. ...
Notice she does not say she worked real hard to help protect LTV's new art form!
WARREN: When the company imploded the first time, they said to the employees, "You've got two choices here: No job and no pension, or maybe a job and maybe a little bit of pension," and the employees took maybe a job and maybe a little bit of pension. But they continued to operate the company fully tweaked up, with all the assets committed. ... After they sucked what was left of value out of LTV, a little at a time, they just started closing it down. The final Chapter 11 for LTV was really just a funeral. ...
And she was the funeral director.
Sorry, man, but she is busted wide open as a hypocrite.
Check out the rest:
Q: Who's calling the shots at that point? Is it the bankers? Is it JPMorgan calling the shots, or is it the management of LTV?
WARREN: It's the turnaround management of LTV. The old management of LTV, who knew the steel industry but not the bankruptcy industry, weren't in charge anymore. ... [T]he turnaround specialists ... are the people who understand the game is about pleasing the banks and other investors. Employees are a disposable item like paper towels. You use them and you throw them away when you don't have any more use for them. ...
LTV at one point had a surplus in its pension plan, but when the PBGC took it over, there was a deficit of about $2 billion. ...
There was a surplus in its plan under the rules of ERISA accounting and PBGC accounting. That doesn't mean there were real dollars there. ... If LTV had properly funded its pension obligations as it went along and properly segregated that money for the benefit of its employees when it later collapsed into bankruptcy, the employees and retirees would have been taken care of. That's the heart of the matter.
The essence of it is not primarily the bankruptcy; it's the corporation's behavior before it ever got to bankruptcy.
That's right, and it's the fact that the bankruptcy laws permit them to kiss off the promise to the employees while they can make new promises to the banks and other investors. ...
WARREN: Bankruptcy always pits the current employees against the past employees. It pits the young employees against the older employees. ... Anyone who is relying on a promise made in the past ... is the enemy of anyone who doesn't have any of those promises anyway and is hoping for a ... job in the new post-reorganization company.
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