EGYPT: US about to make another Iraq style blunder in ME

[30x90]

You think you're an economist, too, huh pig?
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I think you are confused..(by a sugar rush from too many donuts?)..This is all unrelated gibberish.

I never fled any country, I'm not a coward or a pansy. You like those ad hom attacks, right?

Makes you feel powerful, huh, pig?
Real classy.

My memory is superior to yours. You claimed in another thread you left this country and found a better home in another. Caught you in a lie you fag. STFU. You're amateur.

Yes, I'm a pig, yum, gimme more donuts, I need more fat! You can't offend me pussy, I know I'm more man than you'll ever be, so let the insults fly! I love it!

Fuck off asshole pig. I never made any such claims. You're a fucking lying punk.

Post the thread where I said any of those things you claim...little punk ass bitch.
I hope you act this way when you make routine stops, pig...your day will come.

C'mon, lying bitch..post the thread...
It doesn't exist, fucktard..but I know you're too much of a punk to admit you were wrong..and apologize...pig.

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[rightwinger]

EGYPT: US about to make another Iraq style blunder in ME

Seems more like our Iran blunder than our Iraq blunder

In Iran, we supported an upopular unelected leader because he supported US interests. Same goes for Mubarak.

It is a tough call here. We can't force an unpopular leader on Egypt, but we don't want a revolution with the Islamic fundamentalists taking over

 

[Two Thumbs]

What many Americans fail to understand is "They are NOT us".

Many Americans, especially the right actually believes the rhetoric, "They hate us for our freedom". No, they hate us for many reasons. Egypt isn't one of the "they that hate us", unless msn is lying. It has been repeated ad nauseum until the average American believes it's true. Like, "Obama is a socialist/Kenynan/Muslim" until even some Democrats believe it. only a few nuts buy that anymore. Or "Obama took a two hundred million dollar a day trip". now that was funny.

America needs to "STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST".

Look at what happened in Iran. The Shah was kicked out, and the country became a hard right Islamic Theocracy the first chance they got. they voted for it, democratically. Republicans with the forced help of Democrats complete and utter lie.invaded Iraq and destroyed those people's government captured Saddam, a ruthless, murderous dictator. and the first time they vote, they vote into office a hard right Islamic Theocracy. It's even written into their constitution. You only need to read Article II to know that to be true. So? They voted for it.

Now America is saying Egypt must have "freedom" to vote and look at what they will vote into office. You can guarantee it will be a hard right Islamic Theocracy. Those people are wired that way. An assuption on your part. The military runs Egypt, they may trade one dictator for another. Did you even notice that you are supporting a dictator?

In fact, if our freedoms weren't protected by our constitution, the religious right would create a hard right Christian Theocracy here. That's what the religious do. Because they do it for "Gawd". Another blatant lie.

If we weren't dependent on ME oil and if we stayed out of their affairs, this is what would happen:

Either:

They would become a democracy, which would end up making us safer.

Or:

They would become a religious theocracy, which would mean they are anti science and would be no threat to us. Science and religion don't mix. We know that looking at our own right wing. How you figure? They did invent algebra, and even big 0 praised them for thier additions to science. Unless of course your saying big 0 is a liar.

This is why America needs to invest in our future and get us off foreign oil. Anything else will once again lead to disaster.

Getting out of the ME is a great idea. And the best way to do that is drill for our own oil.

Shame big 0 won't let us, thus forcing us to buy oil for the ME, thus putting more money into the pockets of terroist and dictators.

 

[georgephillip]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

What "disturbing" percentage of Muslims become suicide bombers?

How many Christian children have Muslim bombs killed, maimed or orphaned?

How much money do rich Muslims make from Hellfire missiles sales?

 

[FA_Q2]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

What "disturbing" percentage of Muslims become suicide bombers?

How many Christian children have Muslim bombs killed, maimed or orphaned?

How much money do rich Muslims make from Hellfire missiles sales?

What percentage of suicide bombers are NOT Muslim?
Can you ignore the fact that the answer to that question is damn near zero? I find it amazing that the same people that so readily (and rightly) call out the Christians for their violent and bloody past cannot seem to do the same when it comes to Muslims. the fact is that the Muslim religion is fueling terrorism the world over at this point. It is a REAL and PRESENT danger, one that we as a nation AND the Muslim people as a religion MUST face. You cannot face the problem and come up with a solution when the only thing you are interested in is denying the problem exists.

 

[Dr.Drock]

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

What "disturbing" percentage of Muslims become suicide bombers?

How many Christian children have Muslim bombs killed, maimed or orphaned?

How much money do rich Muslims make from Hellfire missiles sales?

What percentage of suicide bombers are NOT Muslim?
Can you ignore the fact that the answer to that question is damn near zero? I find it amazing that the same people that so readily (and rightly) call out the Christians for their violent and bloody past cannot seem to do the same when it comes to Muslims. the fact is that the Muslim religion is fueling terrorism the world over at this point. It is a REAL and PRESENT danger, one that we as a nation AND the Muslim people as a religion MUST face. You cannot face the problem and come up with a solution when the only thing you are interested in is denying the problem exists.

It's odd to me that people can take such a moral stance against a muslim killing dozens of innocent people with a suicide bomb or many suicide bombers killing hundreds of innocent people and at the same cheer on wars done by mostly christians that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people and trade embargos that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

All goes back to the grip religion has on people's brains.

"My religion and my God are right, theirs is wrong so the people who share my God are automatically right and those who don't are automatically wrong."

 

[Sallow]

"They are not us"?

So......so......you're telling me another group of people, who look and believe a certain way, are truly different from us? Should we maybe treat groups differently, then, based on the general way they act?

I mean if one group is almost always responsible for blowing up planes....should we look for them?

Yeah.

Iran Air Flight 655 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[mdn2000]

This is why America needs to invest in our future and get us off foreign oil. Anything else will once again lead to disaster.

We don't import any oil from Egypt.

Your stupidity does show no limits.

Oil is traded on a global market. We import most of ours from Mexico and Canada.

But, if the Mid East oil flow is disrupted, it disrupts the global supply, thus the global price, and then of course our bottom line.

Oh, and you can not say "We" referring to the United States. You're a fucking dipshit, coward traitor who fled the country because you couldn't hack it in a competitive atmosphere you pansy. Tell us how the 3rd world markets are doing. After that, STFU.

If you had half a brain you would site the Suez canal as a concern or the oil pipeline along the Suez, 3% of the global supply is controlled thus by the Egyptians despite producing less than 1% of the Oil in the world, of which the Egyptians use most for domestic use. Most likely if I read forward this point has been made, I am a little late reading this thread.

 

[mdn2000]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

Please educate me on what that percentage is of muslims who strap bombs to themselves.

Poor uneducated middle easterners born in ghettos strap bombs to themselves and kill people, poor uneducated americans become gang bangers and kill people in drive bys and during criminal activity. The only difference is one is scarier to you and the ppl committing these terrible acts don't share your religion. Both strategies end up with innocent people dead.

Imagine how stupid it would be for me to claim a "disturbing percentage of christians are murdering gang bangers", but with the way our media molds people's brains you can see why people think they way they do. Imagine if everytime a christian gang member killed someone they had their face put on tv with the subtitle "fanatical christian terrorist strikes again" like we do with muslims.

I'm just so thankful that I'm not a member of any of these disgusting groups (muslim, democrat, christian, republican, etc etc).

Let me educate you in a civil manner.

A better question that deserves an answer is what percentage of Moslems is involved in the conspiracy to murder people using another human as a weapon of mass destruction.

First there is support of the religion at the very least at the local level, so that involves what percentage of the worshipping Moslem population of the localized region, the man/wmd/suicide-bomber prays with, lives amongst, and is supported thus by. Everyone at the Mosque this man prays at are involoved. What about support from global demonstrations of Moslems outraged at the evil western world, that is support as well, anyhow, these are the things to be analyzed and educated upon. Of course the man who builds the bomb, designs the bomb, tests the bombs, there are the Moslems who acquire the explosives or the raw materials to make the explosives, so many details so in reality, at a local level support is seen as a definite percentage, to guess I state 90% at that max and 10% at the least, so the number is somewhere in between, thats at least a population the size of the USA, so a greater percentage in support at the local level, a smaller percentage at the International level.

 

[BlindBoo]

What many Americans fail to understand is "They are NOT us".

Many Americans, especially the right actually believes the rhetoric, "They hate us for our freedom". It has been repeated ad nauseum until the average American believes it's true. Like, "Obama is a socialist/Kenynan/Muslim" until even some Democrats believe it. Or "Obama took a two hundred million dollar a day trip".

America needs to "STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST".

Look at what happened in Iran. The Shah was kicked out, and the country became a hard right Islamic Theocracy the first chance they got. Republicans with the forced help of Democrats invaded Iraq and destroyed those people's government and the first time they vote, they vote into office a hard right Islamic Theocracy. It's even written into their constitution. You only need to read Article II to know that to be true.

Now America is saying Egypt must have "freedom" to vote and look at what they will vote into office. You can guarantee it will be a hard right Islamic Theocracy. Those people are wired that way.

In fact, if our freedoms weren't protected by our constitution, the religious right would create a hard right Christian Theocracy here. That's what the religious do. Because they do it for "Gawd".

If we weren't dependent on ME oil and if we stayed out of their affairs, this is what would happen:

Either:

They would become a democracy, which would end up making us safer.

Or:

They would become a religious theocracy, which would mean they are anti science and would be no threat to us. Science and religion don't mix. We know that looking at our own right wing.

This is why America needs to invest in our future and get us off foreign oil. Anything else will once again lead to disaster.

I don't think they hate us for our freedom. I think they hate us for that 'Made In America' stamped on the weapons that have been used to keep them down.

It will be interesting to see how much power the Muslim Brotherhood has and if they will resort to violence to impose an Islamic Theocracy in the country.

The time to get us off foriegn oil was 30 years ago, but thanks to Raygun for taking the easy path with cheap foriegn oil (remember 8 dollars a barrel oil?), we basically are strung out over a barrel. It's going hurt alot more now than it would have then.

I imagine Israel is watching these developments very close indeed.

 

[jillian]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

Most democrats don't believe that. So don't confuse the leftwing of my party with the rest of us.

Reality... we have legitimate interests in the mid east. It is not in our interest to have a psycho terrorist fundie government in egypt. That doesn't mean a ridiculous use of force, as was the case in Iraq, but it does mean you don't willy nilly throw your allies under the bus. A complete destabilization of the region is bad for us and our allies.... as is allowing mubarak to stay in place for an unlimited amount of time.

There is a reason they call it DIPLOMACY... it's because you need to be diplomatic and nuanced in how things are handled.

I really wish that people who opined on this issue had a freaking clue about the complexity of it.

 

[rdean]

"They are not us"?

So......so......you're telling me another group of people, who look and believe a certain way, are truly different from us? Should we maybe treat groups differently, then, based on the general way they act?

I mean if one group is almost always responsible for blowing up planes....should we look for them?

The entire United States is a melting pot of people who look different and believe different ways. What makes us better is that some of us accept those differences.

In Texas, the 2010 Republican Party State Platform wants to make gay people "felons". Do you feel they should be "felons"?

Wanting to kill them, like they want to do in the ME is worse than what the Christians in Texas want to do, which is make them felons and imprison them. But only by a matter of degrees. You will always be gay, so should you always be in prison? For some, that is worse than death.

So it seems to me, the right wing is already "treating groups differently".

 

[BlindBoo]

This is why America needs to invest in our future and get us off foreign oil. Anything else will once again lead to disaster.

We don't import any oil from Egypt.

Your stupidity does show no limits.

Oil is traded on a global market. We import most of ours from Mexico and Canada.

But, if the Mid East oil flow is disrupted, it disrupts the global supply, thus the global price, and then of course our bottom line.

Oh, and you can not say "We" referring to the United States. You're a fucking dipshit, coward traitor who fled the country because you couldn't hack it in a competitive atmosphere you pansy. Tell us how the 3rd world markets are doing. After that, STFU.

I guess Egypt could shut down the Suez Canel and tankers would have to go a different route. But short of the Muslim Brotherhood taking over in Egypt (not likely at this point) I doubt very much they want to shut it down.

 

[BlindBoo]

Your wrong rdean (as usual). All people yearn to breathe free no matter what country they live in or religion they practice. So they are no different than us.

It's governments that are oppressive not the people.

Not all people believe in liberty. Religionist specifically.

 

[rdean]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

Us killing Iraqi Muslims.

al Qaeda killing around the world.

Who has killed more?

NOTE: How many times has Iraq attacked the US?

 

[FA_Q2]

It's odd to me that people can take such a moral stance against a muslim killing dozens of innocent people with a suicide bomb or many suicide bombers killing hundreds of innocent people and at the same cheer on wars done by mostly christians that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people and trade embargos that kill hundreds of thousands of innocent people.

Those wars are not religious wars and have nothing to do with Christianity. Now, if you are referring to a Christian war like the crusades then we can talk but I have a feeling that you are referring to more recent events. You can protest the wars (and I would agree with you on the case of Iraq) but there is no equivalent in them to the terrorists.

Of course the trade embargos are another matter altogether. I have a problem when people seem to think that refusing to sell an item to someone somehow equates to what you are eluding to. There is no requirement for me to supply anyone with anything and saying that the USA has some bullshit moral obligation to feed another country is crap. To put it another way - if you are not sending support over to the starving in Africa then YOU are the reason that I continue to see advertisements of children with bloated bellies for lack of food. Not supplying something to a populous is not indicative to murdering them. Granted, this is a bit more complex than that but it is the simple version.

All goes back to the grip religion has on people's brains.

"My religion and my God are right, theirs is wrong so the people who share my God are automatically right and those who don't are automatically wrong."

Then again, I am not a Christian. So, my question still stands:
What percentage of suicide bombers are NOT Muslim?

All you stated here is a straw man anyway. The facts are as they are presented and the main point is still there. You cannot face the problem and come up with a solution when the only thing you are interested in is denying the problem exists.

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

This looks more like Iran in 1979 than Iraq.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

To HELL with Egypt and the entire Middle East. The only thing those loons have going for them is their oil. If there was no oil,do you really believe we would have anything to do with those backwards freaks? Arabs bring nothing but death & misery everywhere they go in the World. This is just fact. They have very little else to offer the World. We need to dramatically scale back our presence in the Middle East. They don't like us and we don't really care for them either. All we want is their oil. So lets buy their oil but stay out of their internal affairs. This also includes cutting our "Foreign Aid" spending over there. Arabs really are irrational for the most part. So lets just buy their oil but scale back dramatically. That's the only logical way forward for our Nation.

 

[rdean]

What many Americans fail to understand is "They are NOT us".

Many Americans, especially the right actually believes the rhetoric, "They hate us for our freedom". It has been repeated ad nauseum until the average American believes it's true. Like, "Obama is a socialist/Kenynan/Muslim" until even some Democrats believe it. Or "Obama took a two hundred million dollar a day trip".

America needs to "STAY OUT OF THE MIDDLE EAST".

Look at what happened in Iran. The Shah was kicked out, and the country became a hard right Islamic Theocracy the first chance they got. Republicans with the forced help of Democrats invaded Iraq and destroyed those people's government and the first time they vote, they vote into office a hard right Islamic Theocracy. It's even written into their constitution. You only need to read Article II to know that to be true.

Now America is saying Egypt must have "freedom" to vote and look at what they will vote into office. You can guarantee it will be a hard right Islamic Theocracy. Those people are wired that way.

In fact, if our freedoms weren't protected by our constitution, the religious right would create a hard right Christian Theocracy here. That's what the religious do. Because they do it for "Gawd".

If we weren't dependent on ME oil and if we stayed out of their affairs, this is what would happen:

Either:

They would become a democracy, which would end up making us safer.

Or:

They would become a religious theocracy, which would mean they are anti science and would be no threat to us. Science and religion don't mix. We know that looking at our own right wing.

This is why America needs to invest in our future and get us off foreign oil. Anything else will once again lead to disaster.

Gimme a fuggin' break. More than half the Dems in Congress managed to "resist" being "forced" to vote for the AUMF Iraq.

Plus, if Dem's are THAT fucking spineless that we can force them to vote yes for something they hate, without using any actual force, then they are too cowardly to run this great nation anyway.

Sorry Dems, the world is getting crazy, time to step aside and let the men have the wheel again.

You are with us or with the terrorists.

Add in the "slam dunk" intel supplied by the White House.

Add in the Zogby International Poll that showed 90% of American soldiers going into Iraq believed it was for retaliation for 9/11. Please tell us oh wise one. Where did they get that idea????

Apparently you want us to believe the American thought process was something like this:

The US was attacked on 9/11 by young Saudi Arabians under the tutelage of Bin Laden who was being protected by the Taliban in Afghanistan. That must mean 9/11 was really the fault of Bin Laden's mortal enemy, "Saddam" in Iraq, which was under sanctions.

There, does that make a lick of sense? And yet, this is what people believed. Where did they get such a crazy idea?

and finally

Do you know why Bin Laden and Saddam were "mortal enemies"? Don't say something stupid. You have already filled your quota for this century.

 

[mdn2000]

No they are like us.

Easily manipulated by their bureacrats (like the OP of this thread towards democrats) and they value religion over education like the vast majority of americans.

The only difference is they have a different god, and history shows when this is the case things don't end well for the country with less power.

No, there is one more tiny, teeny weeny difference.

They, and by they I mean MUSLIMS, a disturbing percentage of THEM, again, I mean MUSLIMS, tend to strap bombs to themselves and explode themselves in groups of strangers to get a point across, hoping THEY take as many of us (non Muslims) to the grave as possible.

But other than that tiny detail, sure, they're like us.

What "disturbing" percentage of Muslims become suicide bombers?

How many Christian children have Muslim bombs killed, maimed or orphaned?

How much money do rich Muslims make from Hellfire missiles sales?

How about addressing on a day to day basis, I will start with 9/11, how many children lost a father, mother, brother, grandmother, grandfather, uncle, aunt, cousin, or sister.

3,000 dead, if we include the children who lost someone as George asks the number becomes very difficult, I say at least 250,000 children lost someone on that day celebrated across the Middle East.

Next of course we can address those who are killed in by airplanes being blown up or crashed, cruise ships attacked, those killed in Israel, or the 200,000 Christians being ethnically cleansed from Kosovo. Lets not forget the death and destruction across Africa.

Yes how many must die, the sad fact is that when it comes to people like George, they read Chomsky and Zinn, the more Chomsky and Zinn lied and called the USA actions murder and war crimes the more people like George bought their books, the more books Chomsky and Zinn sold the more they realized it was profitable to Hate the USA. Hence a horrible cycle was born.

How about how much of the hate and lies printed by Chomsky and Zinn are beleived by the under-educated leaders of the Middle East or by the Moslem press thus fueling the hatred that leads to mass murder by suicide bombers.

George thus by purchasing the anti-american rhetoric of Zinn and Chomsky has increased the popularity as such that the Moslem leaders become of aware of the books, and seeing that many in the USA support Chomsky and Zinn, the Moslems of lesser education are unable to see the hate filled lies from the truth.