Educational Attainment by State.

[Winco]

Here is the 1st Simple Chart.
Broken into two parts, including PR and DC.

On "With an Advanced Degree."

 

[MisterBeale]

This does not mean what you think it means.

Billionaire Larry Ellison, executive chairman and chief technology officer of Oracle Corp never got a college degree.

Larry Ellison - Wikipedia

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Steve Jobs dropped out of college after only one semester.

Steve Jobs - Wikipedia

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Micheal Dell, of Dell technologies, went to school for only a year for pre-med. Dropped out of school after a year at 19.

Michael Dell - Wikipedia

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Rachel Ray's mom owned a restaurant, and she worked for various places before she pioneered the idea of 30 minute meals, never went to college.

Rachael Ray - Wikipedia

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David Geffen who co-founded Dreamworks and founded Geffen Records try school a few times, dropped out because of dyslexia. Never stayed in more than a year at a time.

David Geffen - Wikipedia

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John D. Rockefeller, who founded one of the most prosperous and richest energy empires in the history of America, only got a H.S. diploma and brief book-keeping experience before founding Standard Oil.

John D. Rockefeller - Wikipedia

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Dave Thomas, founded Wendy's. Although he regretted dropping out of High School, it was his intelligence and his work ethic, and his ability to think outside the box that made his way in the world. Not school conditioning. After he made his millions, he did go back and get his GED.

Dave Thomas (businessman) - Wikipedia

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Henry Ford completed eighth grade in a one room school house, never went to high school. He took a keen interest in mechanics and apprenticed to several mechanics.

Henry Ford - Wikipedia

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Your elitist attitude toward having Americans needing to be brainwashed by global socialists that inhabit the various higher tiers of the professional educational institutions, and the claim that this is the only way toward success?


IS, IMO, patently, unAmerican.

I am not saying there aren't a lot of good people, and very intelligent folks, and lot of great resource and knowledge in our Universities and Colleges. But? It would be naive for anyone to deny that they are hot-beds of radicalism that have social engineering agendas.

These interests do not necessarily have small businesses and small farms as their clients. And these clients? Are crucial to the success of America.

 

[MisterBeale]

I would also add, this is particularly illustrative as to why, places like the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Massachusetts are the cause of the nation's ills, and not the solution to them.

 

[Winco]

Your elitist attitude

Really? You deem me rich and elitist?
Might be, but I help others. You?

Rachel Ray's mom owned a restaurant, and she worked for various places before she pioneered the idea of 30 minute meals, never went to college.

Awesome for them.
I have a Masters and My Career, and I supported my daughters decision to go to TRADE SCHOOL. It worked for her and I Supported her 100%

Today she has her own thriving business.
1) College isn't for everyone.
2)Trade School or
3)Apprentise works too.
4) Military Service is awesome.

************* but at least do 1 of the 4.

 

[MisterBeale]

Might be, but I help others. You?

Of course, whenever it is in my power to do so.

Really? You deem me rich and elitist?

I have no idea, I don't get what the point of your thread is, if it is not to demean and try to degrade some places in the nation, while holding others up on a pedestal.

Different areas of the nation, given their resources and demographics, clearly have different training needs. I'm not sure what the point of your OP was, you had very little comment.

I had to. . . extrapolate, from your highly partisan, and mostly dogmatic posting behavior on other parts of the forum.

 

[Winco]

I don't get what the point of your thread is

I would also add, this is particularly illustrative as to why, places like the District of Columbia, Maryland, and Massachusetts are the cause of the nation's ills, and not the solution to them.

What is the Ills?
The Coastal Areas are clearly the MOST educational.
The Coastal Areas are clearly the MOST Liberal.

What would you like to discuss?

 

[MisterBeale]

What is the Ills?

You mean, what ARE the ills?

The problem with the nation, is that these same over-educated, social engineering liberal elites, have decided to financialize every bit of the nation, mostly? Because they are godless atheists, whose values are out of wack, screwed up. They are not good for the entire integration of the nation, but only good for their enclaves, and their values. They are destroying the nation.

Living in giant coastal cities, they have become disconnected from family and community, and thus? They don't even give a shit when their own children and family move away to find more "money," or more, "success." How out of touch is that? They care more for celebrity, power, fame, and materialism, those are their gods, their measure of worth. By extension, of course, this means, educational attainment is required to have financial success. They have used government has a gatekeeper, to require folks to PAY the educational establishment, to enter into the economy, which, of course, is a fallacy, it is a canard, it is bogus. This is NOT what had originally made America a great nation.

Especially now, in the age of the internet. Hell, back in the 1800's, a person could be home schooled, and then take a test to prove competency, and enter the work force. Abe Lincoln, one of our most accomplished presidents, never attended any formal schooling at all, not one bit.

This would be impossible today, because all industries, lobby the government, to create inelastic cartels, that require huge expenditures of resources, to even enter into them. This of course, is good for the banking cartels, and creates increasingly unsustainable levels of debt. It is a war on the poor. It will eventual be the end of this nation, and be what causes the emergence of the new world order.

The spiraling of the education and banking industries, and the restrictions of real industries, which actually produce things, while limiting competition, and consequently folks willingness to work, and get involved in real industry is restricted. THIS? Is legalized corruption. What you perceive as a "good thing," is, like I say, the root of the ills in this nation.

THIS, is why tuition, and growth of government continues a pace, legalized corruption, waste and abuse. Requiring themselves to enter into legalized slavery? Nope, folks are getting fed up with this racket, and see it for what it is. If you live on the coasts, or in a big city, you have less options though, it is either that, or criminal activity I suppose?


It doesn't matter what the industry, government regulation, getting into licensing, has caused this. Americans should have the freedom to chose, based on the efficiency and efficacy of how those industries perform, not on how much an industry's lobbyists give to government apparatchiks to pay off government servants, which then require, "licensing."

Obviously, this is not always true, in a high tech world, most STEM jobs are going to require professional and detailed training. But, seriously. . . . ?????

Now, you have been educated, arguing at this point will just reveal, YOUR SCHOOLING, not your EDUCATION.

 

[psikeyhackr]

Does any state have a K-12 Recommended Reading List that could provide an education by itself to sufficiently smart and motivated students?

Go to school! Put up with boring teachers who think you can't learn without them.

 

[MisterBeale]

Does any state have a K-12 Recommended Reading List that could provide an education by itself to sufficiently smart and motivated students?

Go to school! Put up with boring teachers who think you can't learn without them.

They change, depending on the state and school district.

A lot of it, is politically motivated.


When I went through Junior High and High school, I couldn't graduate, without reading at least, I think, probably a half dozen works by Shakespeare.

My kid graduated school without even reading even one of his works. He would have never read a single work of Edgar A. Poe, if I had not made him.

meh.

 

[Unkotare]

Being educated (and even living on the *gasp* coast) does not automatically make a person a whacky lefty liberal. Take that broad brush and go make some money house painting.

 

[Augustine_]

The problem with the nation, is that these same over-educated, social engineering liberal elites, have decided to financialize every bit of the nation, mostly?

That's the craziest shit I've ever heard. Republicans work tirelessly to destroy workers rights and privatize every single facet of our lives for decades, but it's the liberals who are to blame. Incredible.

 

[MisterBeale]

Being educated (and even living on the *gasp* coast) does not automatically make a person a whacky lefty liberal. Take that broad brush and go make some money house painting.

I apologize, I did not mean to imply it does.

I was describing the nexus of higher education, and how it affects government, and why higher education is mostly pushed in secondary education in high schools. Do you deny that this is the policy of most high schools, national education associations, teachers unions, and boards of educations?

When school funding and classes get cut, if there are funding problems, the first to go are industrial arts, fine arts, home economics, and the most down to Earth useful items, NOT the college preparatory classes. I am not writing anything that is woo woo, out of the main, not acknowledged fact. Corporate and national government politics, indeed, even global politics, is part of the national government educational agenda.

The educational needs of the family, the small businesses, and the small farms of America? THAT? That comes dead last, and it always has, for the past twenty-five, thirty years. Even though? These are the people that are PAYING for the educations, and NOW? The national government wants to make them into terrorists because they are pissed about it.

Hell, I know you know this, and it isn't easy for you. You are doing the best with what you have. And you sure as hell don't want to get caught in the mix. Every time a music, or art program is cut? I am sure it pisses you off just as much as it pisses me off.

 

[Unkotare]

I apologize, I did not mean to imply it does.

I was describing the nexus of higher education, and how it affects government, and why higher education is mostly pushed in secondary education in high schools. Do you deny that this is the policy of most high schools, national education associations, teachers unions, and boards of educations?
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Not in the district where I teach. A very high percentage of my students choose not to pursue college. Many graduate and go get a job, or keep the one they already have. Many go into the military. The ones who aspire to attend college are given all the support they need. The rest is up to them.

 

[MisterBeale]

That's the craziest shit I've ever heard. Republicans work tirelessly to destroy workers rights and privatize every single facet of our lives for decades, but it's the liberals who are to blame. Incredible.

I don't see this as a left/right thing. Reagan is as responsible as Cliton, IMO. It isn't about "privitizing," the economy, it is about making our GDP revolving around paper and digital assets, rather than REAL things. Industrial output, agricultural output, or creating services, making real things. Goods and services, not making pieces of paper to represent goods and services, and then repackaging them in arcane instruments and trading and re-trading them again.

There are Republicans that come from the coasts and from "red," states that are responsible for the financialization of the economy as well.

Financialization is tied to the transition from an industrial economy to a service economy, as financial services belong to the tertiary sector of the economy.

Financialization - Wikipedia

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What does this 2004 pie chart tell you why the collapse in 2008 affected the world so much? And do you think the situation has improved?

What happens, if and when the multi-trillion dollar house of cards collapses?

 

[Unkotare]

...

When school funding and classes get cut, if there are funding problems, the first to go are industrial arts, fine arts, home economics, and the most down to Earth useful items, ...

We have a large vocational high school in my district.

 

[Unkotare]

\...
... You are doing the best with what you have. ...

Thanks. That's all anyone can do. I will say though, that I haven't seen an art or music program cut in my (very inner city) district in at least the past 7-8 years.

 

[MisterBeale]

Thanks. That's all anyone can do. I will say though, that I haven't seen an art or music program cut in my (very inner city) district in at least the past 7-8 years.

I agree with everything you have stated about industrial education.

The thrust of my objection in this thread, is the implied title, and content of the OP;

"Educational Attainment by State."

You have, yourself, debunked it as well.

All I was trying to do, was show, there is an agenda behind the states that have the most elite universities, and show why they have this agenda. Schooling and degrees, are not, necessarily, "education," and as you have stated, there are many other types.


Banking and Universities, have an economic interests. Educational attainment is not necessarily limited to private and state institutions and their attendant licensing. I can even PROVE this special interest relationship. Well, I can to anyone that has a brain cell in their head and can put two and two together. lol

Sen. Barack Obama - Campaign Finance Summary

Fundraising profile for Sen. Barack Obama - Illinois

www.opensecrets.org

 

[marvin martian]

That's the craziest shit I've ever heard. Republicans work tirelessly to destroy workers rights and privatize every single facet of our lives for decades, but it's the liberals who are to blame. Incredible.

You people just shut down the economy and educational system in this country, ended thousands of small businesses permanently, and fired tens of thousands of people from their jobs over your insane medical religious extremism.

 

[Manonthestreet]

'Failing our kids': ACT scores fall to lowest average in 30 years

The chirren are dumber and dumber....according to plan

 

[Unkotare]

2022 MCAS scores show slow progress in student academic performance - The Boston Globe

Jeffrey Riley, the state’s education commissioner, said it could take up to five years before students fully catch up.

www.bostonglobe.com