Education Of Palestinian Children

[Hollie]

Indeed, it was not theirs. You can't use the term mandate territory. There was no such thing.

Now, did Palestine belong to the indigenous population who were citizens of that country?

Or,

Did it belong to a bunch of foreign settlers out of Europe?

There was no country of Palestine. Secondly, Arab squatters and settlers from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc., simply filled a void left by the collapse of the ottoman empire which did its own share of land grabbing.

You refer to an "indigenous population" while failing to understand that the Arab squatters were not an "indigenous population".

The mandate charter called Palestine a country ten times.

You are mistaken and are basing your conclusions on false premise.

The mistake and the false premise is yours for suggesting that calling a loosely defined geographic area a "country", makes it so.

The fact remains there is not now, nor had there ever been a country of "Palestine".

 

[MJB12741]

Problem is if we educate the likes of Tinmore we may lose them here. Then where do we go for fun & laughs?



QUOTE=Hollie;9276299]

There was no country of Palestine. Secondly, Arab squatters and settlers from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc., simply filled a void left by the collapse of the ottoman empire which did its own share of land grabbing.

You refer to an "indigenous population" while failing to understand that the Arab squatters were not an "indigenous population".

The mandate charter called Palestine a country ten times.

You are mistaken and are basing your conclusions on false premise.

The mistake and the false premise is yours for suggesting that calling a loosely defined geographic area a "country", makes it so.

The fact remains there is not now, nor had there ever been a country of "Palestine".[/QUOTE]

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was no country of Palestine. Secondly, Arab squatters and settlers from Egypt, Syria, Jordan, etc., simply filled a void left by the collapse of the ottoman empire which did its own share of land grabbing.

You refer to an "indigenous population" while failing to understand that the Arab squatters were not an "indigenous population".

The mandate charter called Palestine a country ten times.

You are mistaken and are basing your conclusions on false premise.

The mistake and the false premise is yours for suggesting that calling a loosely defined geographic area a "country", makes it so.

The fact remains there is not now, nor had there ever been a country of "Palestine".

Who told you that? Israel?

Palestine has had international borders since 1922.

 

[Billo_Really]

1) not according to INTERNATIONAL LAW, GENEVA CONVENTIONS and UN RESOLUTIONS. which you have been told about previously.

Name them.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Eh, Tinmore, remember this?


The vote on Israel?s Independence at the UN | The Israeli Jewish Congress

Israel was established as the Jewish homeland by a vote of the UN. This was done both legally via international law & ethically as well whereas all Muslim dominated countries were established by conquest & force. Both illegal via international law & unethical as well.

No it wasn't.
The UN had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
The Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
The League of Nations had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

Sure. Remember this?

Nothing of UNGAR 181 was implemented, not the borders, not the economic union, not the provisions that safeguarded the interests of Palestinian inhabitants on a par with Israelis; we tend to forget that within the 181 Jewish state there was an almost equal number of Arabs and Jews. There were provisions to forbid confiscation of land. So UNGAR 181 was a dead letter from the beginning. Later a myth developed that the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it. But the Jews never accepted to honestly implement it.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

Selective reading.

Eh, Tinmore, remember this?


The vote on Israel?s Independence at the UN | The Israeli Jewish Congress

No it wasn't.
The UN had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
The Mandate had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.
The League of Nations had nothing to do with the creation of Israel.

Sure. Remember this?

Nothing of UNGAR 181 was implemented, not the borders, not the economic union, not the provisions that safeguarded the interests of Palestinian inhabitants on a par with Israelis; we tend to forget that within the 181 Jewish state there was an almost equal number of Arabs and Jews. There were provisions to forbid confiscation of land. So UNGAR 181 was a dead letter from the beginning. Later a myth developed that the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it. But the Jews never accepted to honestly implement it.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

(QUESTION)

What did the UN actually say (official sourcing), as opposed to what you cited in Arab Palestinian Propaganda? Remember this?

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

Why is it that the Arab Palestinian Propaganda Machine id so desperate to counter the official record and public announcement from the UN?

(COMMENT)

It makes very little difference what the Arab Palestinian believes is true or not true. The record speaks for itself.

What is important is that position the Arab Palestinian holds today and the direction the take in terms of good faith efforts towards a peaceful settlement.

To date, the Arab Palestinians have, though deeds and efforts, furthered the cause for a continuation of containment, quarantine, and security separation. Their biggest and most profound arguments have been on two major counterproductive issues:

• The right to pursue armed struggle and Jihad by any means; including terrorism through kidnapping, hijacking, piracy, suicide bombings, and open attacks on civilians.
• The liberation of the entire former territory under Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[toastman]

The mandate charter called Palestine a country ten times.

You are mistaken and are basing your conclusions on false premise.

The mistake and the false premise is yours for suggesting that calling a loosely defined geographic area a "country", makes it so.

The fact remains there is not now, nor had there ever been a country of "Palestine".

Who told you that? Israel?

Palestine has had international borders since 1922.

Palestine became a state in 1988 . You cannot refute that.
Well you can try, but you will fail each time.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

Selective reading.

Eh, Tinmore, remember this?


The vote on Israel?s Independence at the UN | The Israeli Jewish Congress

Sure. Remember this?

(QUESTION)

What did the UN actually say (official sourcing), as opposed to what you cited in Arab Palestinian Propaganda? Remember this?

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

Why is it that the Arab Palestinian Propaganda Machine id so desperate to counter the official record and public announcement from the UN?

(COMMENT)

It makes very little difference what the Arab Palestinian believes is true or not true. The record speaks for itself.

What is important is that position the Arab Palestinian holds today and the direction the take in terms of good faith efforts towards a peaceful settlement.

To date, the Arab Palestinians have, though deeds and efforts, furthered the cause for a continuation of containment, quarantine, and security separation. Their biggest and most profound arguments have been on two major counterproductive issues:

• The right to pursue armed struggle and Jihad by any means; including terrorism through kidnapping, hijacking, piracy, suicide bombings, and open attacks on civilians.
• The liberation of the entire former territory under Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

 

[aris2chat]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

Selective reading.

Sure. Remember this?

(QUESTION)

What did the UN actually say (official sourcing), as opposed to what you cited in Arab Palestinian Propaganda? Remember this?

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

Why is it that the Arab Palestinian Propaganda Machine id so desperate to counter the official record and public announcement from the UN?

(COMMENT)

It makes very little difference what the Arab Palestinian believes is true or not true. The record speaks for itself.

What is important is that position the Arab Palestinian holds today and the direction the take in terms of good faith efforts towards a peaceful settlement.

To date, the Arab Palestinians have, though deeds and efforts, furthered the cause for a continuation of containment, quarantine, and security separation. Their biggest and most profound arguments have been on two major counterproductive issues:

• The right to pursue armed struggle and Jihad by any means; including terrorism through kidnapping, hijacking, piracy, suicide bombings, and open attacks on civilians.
• The liberation of the entire former territory under Mandate.

Most Respectfully,
R

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

Not lies. You just don't want hear truth, it spoils your fantasy.

Why do you think everyone wants the palestinians to renounce violence?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

I beg your pardon.

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

(QUESTION)

What do you claim is untrue?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[MJB12741]

Can't wait for an answer from Tinmore.

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

I beg your pardon.

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

(QUESTION)

What do you claim is untrue?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

I beg your pardon.

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

(QUESTION)

What do you claim is untrue?

Most Respectfully,
R

My post:

Nothing of UNGAR 181 was implemented, not the borders, not the economic union, not the provisions that safeguarded the interests of Palestinian inhabitants on a par with Israelis; we tend to forget that within the 181 Jewish state there was an almost equal number of Arabs and Jews. There were provisions to forbid confiscation of land. So UNGAR 181 was a dead letter from the beginning. Later a myth developed that the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it. But the Jews never accepted to honestly implement it.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Not to mention the international city of jerusalem that didn't happen either.

Your response:

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

You have posted many times a quote that says that resolution 181 was implemented. Historic reports and the facts on the ground say otherwise.

Why do you keep posting this when it is not true?

 

[toastman]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

I beg your pardon.

Rocco, why do you keep posting the same lie?

(QUESTION)

What do you claim is untrue?

Most Respectfully,
R

My post:

Nothing of UNGAR 181 was implemented, not the borders, not the economic union, not the provisions that safeguarded the interests of Palestinian inhabitants on a par with Israelis; we tend to forget that within the 181 Jewish state there was an almost equal number of Arabs and Jews. There were provisions to forbid confiscation of land. So UNGAR 181 was a dead letter from the beginning. Later a myth developed that the Jews accepted it and the Arabs rejected it. But the Jews never accepted to honestly implement it.

UN General Assembly Resolution 181

Not to mention the international city of jerusalem that didn't happen either.

Your response:

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

You have posted many times a quote that says that resolution 181 was implemented. Historic reports and the facts on the ground say otherwise.

Why do you keep posting this when it is not true?

Did you not read the link the he posted that backed up his statement??

Look at his source and look at your source. His is wayyyyy more reliable.

In fact, his source is one that you often use yourself.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; MJB12741; et al,

I beg your pardon.


(QUESTION)

What do you claim is untrue?

Most Respectfully,
R

My post:



Not to mention the international city of jerusalem that didn't happen either.

Your response:

During today's brief meeting, Dr. Eduardo Morgan (Panama) said that this resolution of the Assembly merely "relieves responsibility. The Commission has not been dissolved. In fact the resolution of last November 29 has been implemented."

SOURCE: PAL/169 17 May 1948

You have posted many times a quote that says that resolution 181 was implemented. Historic reports and the facts on the ground say otherwise.

Why do you keep posting this when it is not true?

Did you not read the link the he posted that backed up his statement??

Look at his source and look at your source. His is wayyyyy more reliable.

In fact, his source is one that you often use yourself.

How can you support something that is so blatantly false?

• Was Jerusalem established as an international city?

• Were the proposed borders ever recognized as international borders?

• Were the rights of the non Jewish population ever honored?

• Was there an economic union?

• Were there two states (or even one state) created by the UN?

You cannot answer yes to even one of these questions.

How can you believe that resolution 181 was implemented?

 

[toastman]

My post:



Not to mention the international city of jerusalem that didn't happen either.

Your response:



You have posted many times a quote that says that resolution 181 was implemented. Historic reports and the facts on the ground say otherwise.

Why do you keep posting this when it is not true?

Did you not read the link the he posted that backed up his statement??

Look at his source and look at your source. His is wayyyyy more reliable.

In fact, his source is one that you often use yourself.

How can you support something that is so blatantly false?

• Was Jerusalem established as an international city?

• Were the proposed borders ever recognized as international borders?

• Were the rights of the non Jewish population ever honored?

• Was there an economic union?

• Were there two states (or even one state) created by the UN?

You cannot answer yes to even one of these questions.

How can you believe that resolution 181 was implemented?

You do the same thing all the time. When Rocco backs up his claim with a valid link, you STILL claim you are right and he is wrong. Then you start asking irrelevant questions.
Fo ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence in 181!!

 

[P F Tinmore]

Did you not read the link the he posted that backed up his statement??

Look at his source and look at your source. His is wayyyyy more reliable.

In fact, his source is one that you often use yourself.

How can you support something that is so blatantly false?

• Was Jerusalem established as an international city?

• Were the proposed borders ever recognized as international borders?

• Were the rights of the non Jewish population ever honored?

• Was there an economic union?

• Were there two states (or even one state) created by the UN?

You cannot answer yes to even one of these questions.

How can you believe that resolution 181 was implemented?

You do the same thing all the time. When Rocco backs up his claim with a valid link, you STILL claim you are right and he is wrong. Then you start asking irrelevant questions.
Fo ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence in 181!!

Nice deflection.

Can you answer yes to any of those questions?

 

[toastman]

How can you support something that is so blatantly false?

• Was Jerusalem established as an international city?

• Were the proposed borders ever recognized as international borders?

• Were the rights of the non Jewish population ever honored?

• Was there an economic union?

• Were there two states (or even one state) created by the UN?

You cannot answer yes to even one of these questions.

How can you believe that resolution 181 was implemented?

You do the same thing all the time. When Rocco backs up his claim with a valid link, you STILL claim you are right and he is wrong. Then you start asking irrelevant questions.
Fo ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence in 181!!

Nice deflection.

Can you answer yes to any of those questions?

Those questions are not relevant. You always complicate things for nothing.
You said resolution 181 was useless and not implemented.
Rocco gave you a link that clearly says otherwise.
You couldn't accept the truth, so you resorted to your usual tactic of asking questions that YOU made up, and act as if nobody answers them, then you are still somehow right.
The fact remains, Rocco proves your point wrong.
And then you accuse me of deflecting??

Oh and for ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence!!

 

[Roudy]

You do the same thing all the time. When Rocco backs up his claim with a valid link, you STILL claim you are right and he is wrong. Then you start asking irrelevant questions.
Fo ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence in 181!!

Nice deflection.

Can you answer yes to any of those questions?

Those questions are not relevant. You always complicate things for nothing.
You said resolution 181 was useless and not implemented.
Rocco gave you a link that clearly says otherwise.
You couldn't accept the truth, so you resorted to your usual tactic of asking questions that YOU made up, and act as if nobody answers them, then you are still somehow right.
The fact remains, Rocco proves your point wrong.
And then you accuse me of deflecting??

Oh and for ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence!!

I've done this to this paid professional liar and propagandist for Hamas many times. It's always the same reaction that you noted. They can't handle the truth.

 

[MJB12741]

I fear that if we continue to piss them off with the truth, they may leave us.

Nice deflection.

Can you answer yes to any of those questions?

Those questions are not relevant. You always complicate things for nothing.
You said resolution 181 was useless and not implemented.
Rocco gave you a link that clearly says otherwise.
You couldn't accept the truth, so you resorted to your usual tactic of asking questions that YOU made up, and act as if nobody answers them, then you are still somehow right.
The fact remains, Rocco proves your point wrong.
And then you accuse me of deflecting??

Oh and for ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence!!

I've done this to this paid professional liar and propagandist for Hamas many times. It's always the same reaction that you noted. They can't handle the truth.

 

[P F Tinmore]

You do the same thing all the time. When Rocco backs up his claim with a valid link, you STILL claim you are right and he is wrong. Then you start asking irrelevant questions.
Fo ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence in 181!!

Nice deflection.

Can you answer yes to any of those questions?

Those questions are not relevant. You always complicate things for nothing.
You said resolution 181 was useless and not implemented.
Rocco gave you a link that clearly says otherwise.
You couldn't accept the truth, so you resorted to your usual tactic of asking questions that YOU made up, and act as if nobody answers them, then you are still somehow right.
The fact remains, Rocco proves your point wrong.
And then you accuse me of deflecting??

Oh and for ***** sake, even the Palestinians used 181 to declare independence!!

Still can't answer yes to any of those questions, huh?