Driverless cars are coming.

[Jarlaxle]

A fan of Steven Spielberg, are you? All this from governments that can't even fix the bridges or patch potholes before August?

No need to be a fan of science fiction. You simply have to look at the progress made in the last 10 years in the areas involved in a driverless car.

OK. Explain this. I had this situation the other day.

A cable truck is stopped in front of me on a rural road. There is no way to see around the truck to see if any traffic is coming from the other direction. How does the driverless car know how to get around it?

The Tesla has ultrasonic sensors that can detect objects beyond the car in front of you. Plus, since some the sensors are placed on the corners, at about the level of the trim, they will be able to see ahead farther than you will be able to see from inside the car.

And legally, if the cable truck is blocking the lane, a flagger is required.

OK. You are flailing here. You are making crap up to fit your assertion. You must have gone to school at Bama.

Ultrasonic sensors that can see around a vehicle and detect if another car is coming? Tesla? How many hundred thousand dollars will these cars cost?

The truck was stopped. How is it going to have a flagger with one man in the truck? It could be a garbage truck for that matter. Do these sensors recognize hand signals? If there is no flagger, will the car issue the truck driver a written citation?

How many airlines now operate aircraft without pilots? I am pretty sure the autopilot technology is far more advanced than the driverless car. If it is so safe, and we can do it, why don't we?

If it was only one person and they needed a flagger, they wait until they get a flagger out there. The tesla can read speed limit signs. I'm sure it could manage a Stop/Slow paddle. Which is, by the way, required in all 50 states except in an emergency.

And in the real world...a truck blocking a lane with no flagger is nothing unusual! Trash, snow removal, utility work, firemen clearing hydrants, DPW shoveling out storm drains-I saw one yesterday, a tanker delivering oil.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Why would it ever be required?

Did they outlaw manual transmissions?

Did they outlaw manual steering?

That's pure speculation with zero evidence on your part!

First it will be certain areas, to relieve parking issues. Next it will be a safety issue.

33k people died in 2014 in traffic accidents. The cost of traffic accidents runs into the billions every year.

Until we have a good idea how well these driverless cars work and how much they cost, how can you justify any of that?

It is a huge leap of faith. Will airlines start flying planes with no pilots at all?

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

How big a clusterfuck would be caused, I wonder, by a cardboard box or big trash bag blowing across the road 15' in front of a self-driving car going 60MPH in moderate to heavy traffic?

 

[Jarlaxle]

Until we have a good idea how well these driverless cars work and how much they cost, how can you justify any of that?

It is a huge leap of faith. Will airlines start flying planes with no pilots at all?

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

I already gave you a link to a Tesla that didn't brake at all because it couldn't "see" the semi traveling directly in front of it!

You simply cannot make anything idiotproof, because Mother Nature will always be able to find a bigger idiot!

We already have plenty of idiots behind the wheel.

Little anecdotal bit to show why I have little faith in human drivers.

For 12 years I was the Director of Safety for a major utility contractor working all over the eastern US.

I was doing some basic safety training at a number of jobs. One of the classes was held during each job's weekly safety meeting. I asked each group of employees and subcontractors to raise their hand if they were a good driver. I probably asked this question of 2,000 workers. 2 men raised their hands in all of those safety meetings. Both of them were serious bikers. They could handle a Harley, but weren't as good driving cars or trucks.

I then asked the same groups to raise their hand if they had never been in a car accident that totaled the vehicle, seriously injured someone, or caused someone's death. Out of all those groups, with ages varying from 19 or 20 up to 65 or so, only 3 people raised their hand. All those hundreds of "good drivers", but they had all been in a serious accident.


Will the driverless cars be foolproof and a guarantee of no accidents? No. Will they be far safer than the potluck disastor we have now? You betcha.

I was in a wreck that totalled the vehicle. Someone passing me on the highway made an illegal lane change in heavy rain, putting his green SUV directly into my quarter panel, sending my Cadillac spinning across 3 lanes and into a guardrail. (He then took off.) My wife was in a head-on crash that totalled a Hummer H2 and an F-550 rollback, put her in the hospital, and I think it killed the other driver. The other driver was passing on a double-yellow in a snowstorm, going at least 50 in a 35MPH zone. Describe in detail how my or my wife's driving skills could have prevented either wreck. Be specific.

 

[Jarlaxle]

I think the programming of the carcan handle icy roas with the problems, it is the morality programming that I have doubts about
A self-driving car carrying a family of four on a rural two-lane highway spots a bouncing ball ahead. As the vehicle approaches a child runs out to retrieve the ball. Should the car risk its passengers’ lives by swerving to the side—where the edge of the road meets a steep cliff? Or should the car continue on its path, ensuring its passengers’ safety at the child’s expense? This scenario and many others pose moral and ethical dilemmas that carmakers, car buyers and regulators must address before vehicles should be given full autonomy, according to a study published Thursday inScience.

Driverless Cars Will Face Moral Dilemmas

I am not worried about the software. I am worried about the sensors being able to determine where the middle and sides of the road are located. I can't tell that in snow. How will it do that on a country road that hasn't been plowed?

You have a valid point. I was thinking more of an icy road situation

Right now I have no idea where my driveway is except generally between my mailbox and a retaining wall on the other side. I'd love to see a car figure that out.

The GPS can tell where the car is, within 3 meters. So unless you are driving on a snow covered road at the edge of a cliff, it can tell where it is.

Or in a tunnel...or on the bottom deck of a highway or bridge...or in a city full of tall buildings.

Where I used to live, an error of 3 metres would mean it missed the driveway and wound up in a ditch!

 

[Jarlaxle]

Gm also released the Volt.

There is one of those in my neighborhood! God forbid you ever get behind one of those pieces of shit! I have never seen one that can maintain highway speed! You can time their acceleration from 0-60 with a sundial, not that it ever could possibly reach 60 mph. On a 55 mph speed limit, I think about 47 mph is about the best I have seen them do.

If one ever got out on the interstate, I bet that some truck driver would be picking the pieces out of his grill at the next truck stop and washing the blood off with a hose.

Bullshit. The Volt tops out at 100MPH.

 

[Jarlaxle]

There is one of those in my neighborhood! God forbid you ever get behind one of those pieces of shit! I have never seen one that can maintain highway speed! You can time their acceleration from 0-60 with a sundial, not that it ever could possibly reach 60 mph. On a 55 mph speed limit, I think about 47 mph is about the best I have seen them do.

If one ever got out on the interstate, I bet that some truck driver would be picking the pieces out of his grill at the next truck stop and washing the blood off with a hose.

That is what you get with cheap. The Tesla can do 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds with top speeds of 150+ mph.

Yep! It's a good thing I am already working on my second millions so I can afford one!

I gave up on my first million years ago!

And the more economical versions are coming.

Yeah, that's why a Ford F-150 that is 2-3 years old now sells above $30,000. Those economical versions are right around the corner, but the driverless car can't see it and will run right smack dab into it because I can't make it stop!

If the driverless vehicle's cameras and sensors don't work, the car will not move. Someone else posted that they have 2 Teslas. His complaint is that the emergency braking happens too soon.

So...basically, one teenage vandal with a rattle-can could disable hundreds of cars in a couple hours, and cause chaos (and probably a million or so dollars worth of damage).

 

[Old Rocks]

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

I already gave you a link to a Tesla that didn't brake at all because it couldn't "see" the semi traveling directly in front of it!

You simply cannot make anything idiotproof, because Mother Nature will always be able to find a bigger idiot!

We already have plenty of idiots behind the wheel.

Little anecdotal bit to show why I have little faith in human drivers.

For 12 years I was the Director of Safety for a major utility contractor working all over the eastern US.

I was doing some basic safety training at a number of jobs. One of the classes was held during each job's weekly safety meeting. I asked each group of employees and subcontractors to raise their hand if they were a good driver. I probably asked this question of 2,000 workers. 2 men raised their hands in all of those safety meetings. Both of them were serious bikers. They could handle a Harley, but weren't as good driving cars or trucks.

I then asked the same groups to raise their hand if they had never been in a car accident that totaled the vehicle, seriously injured someone, or caused someone's death. Out of all those groups, with ages varying from 19 or 20 up to 65 or so, only 3 people raised their hand. All those hundreds of "good drivers", but they had all been in a serious accident.


Will the driverless cars be foolproof and a guarantee of no accidents? No. Will they be far safer than the potluck disastor we have now? You betcha.

I was in a wreck that totalled the vehicle. Someone passing me on the highway made an illegal lane change in heavy rain, putting his green SUV directly into my quarter panel, sending my Cadillac spinning across 3 lanes and into a guardrail. (He then took off.) My wife was in a head-on crash that totalled a Hummer H2 and an F-550 rollback, put her in the hospital, and I think it killed the other driver. The other driver was passing on a double-yellow in a snowstorm, going at least 50 in a 35MPH zone. Describe in detail how my or my wife's driving skills could have prevented either wreck. Be specific.

I guess you completely missed the point. Had those vehicles been computer controlled with the computers of tomorrow, they would not have created either accident. Had they had the systems in use today, the computer would have warned the driver that they were going to fast for conditions. And the driver would have ignored that warning.

 

[Old Rocks]

That is what you get with cheap. The Tesla can do 0 to 60 in 2.5 seconds with top speeds of 150+ mph.

Yep! It's a good thing I am already working on my second millions so I can afford one!

I gave up on my first million years ago!

And the more economical versions are coming.

Yeah, that's why a Ford F-150 that is 2-3 years old now sells above $30,000. Those economical versions are right around the corner, but the driverless car can't see it and will run right smack dab into it because I can't make it stop!

If the driverless vehicle's cameras and sensors don't work, the car will not move. Someone else posted that they have 2 Teslas. His complaint is that the emergency braking happens too soon.

So...basically, one teenage vandal with a rattle-can could disable hundreds of cars in a couple hours, and cause chaos (and probably a million or so dollars worth of damage).

And people like you thought of a million reasons why the auto would never replace the horse. But there are still horses around for riding. Just don't take them out on the Interstate. LOL

 

[Jarlaxle]

Reread what I quoted, for comprehension this time.

 

[WinterBorn]

No need to be a fan of science fiction. You simply have to look at the progress made in the last 10 years in the areas involved in a driverless car.

OK. Explain this. I had this situation the other day.

A cable truck is stopped in front of me on a rural road. There is no way to see around the truck to see if any traffic is coming from the other direction. How does the driverless car know how to get around it?

The Tesla has ultrasonic sensors that can detect objects beyond the car in front of you. Plus, since some the sensors are placed on the corners, at about the level of the trim, they will be able to see ahead farther than you will be able to see from inside the car.

And legally, if the cable truck is blocking the lane, a flagger is required.

OK. You are flailing here. You are making crap up to fit your assertion. You must have gone to school at Bama.

Ultrasonic sensors that can see around a vehicle and detect if another car is coming? Tesla? How many hundred thousand dollars will these cars cost?

The truck was stopped. How is it going to have a flagger with one man in the truck? It could be a garbage truck for that matter. Do these sensors recognize hand signals? If there is no flagger, will the car issue the truck driver a written citation?

How many airlines now operate aircraft without pilots? I am pretty sure the autopilot technology is far more advanced than the driverless car. If it is so safe, and we can do it, why don't we?

If it was only one person and they needed a flagger, they wait until they get a flagger out there. The tesla can read speed limit signs. I'm sure it could manage a Stop/Slow paddle. Which is, by the way, required in all 50 states except in an emergency.

And in the real world...a truck blocking a lane with no flagger is nothing unusual! Trash, snow removal, utility work, firemen clearing hydrants, DPW shoveling out storm drains-I saw one yesterday, a tanker delivering oil.

Yep. And a driverless car would probably be programmed to wait.

 

[WinterBorn]

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

I already gave you a link to a Tesla that didn't brake at all because it couldn't "see" the semi traveling directly in front of it!

You simply cannot make anything idiotproof, because Mother Nature will always be able to find a bigger idiot!

We already have plenty of idiots behind the wheel.

Little anecdotal bit to show why I have little faith in human drivers.

For 12 years I was the Director of Safety for a major utility contractor working all over the eastern US.

I was doing some basic safety training at a number of jobs. One of the classes was held during each job's weekly safety meeting. I asked each group of employees and subcontractors to raise their hand if they were a good driver. I probably asked this question of 2,000 workers. 2 men raised their hands in all of those safety meetings. Both of them were serious bikers. They could handle a Harley, but weren't as good driving cars or trucks.

I then asked the same groups to raise their hand if they had never been in a car accident that totaled the vehicle, seriously injured someone, or caused someone's death. Out of all those groups, with ages varying from 19 or 20 up to 65 or so, only 3 people raised their hand. All those hundreds of "good drivers", but they had all been in a serious accident.


Will the driverless cars be foolproof and a guarantee of no accidents? No. Will they be far safer than the potluck disastor we have now? You betcha.

I was in a wreck that totalled the vehicle. Someone passing me on the highway made an illegal lane change in heavy rain, putting his green SUV directly into my quarter panel, sending my Cadillac spinning across 3 lanes and into a guardrail. (He then took off.) My wife was in a head-on crash that totalled a Hummer H2 and an F-550 rollback, put her in the hospital, and I think it killed the other driver. The other driver was passing on a double-yellow in a snowstorm, going at least 50 in a 35MPH zone. Describe in detail how my or my wife's driving skills could have prevented either wreck. Be specific.

If this was aimed at me, I don't think I said anything about all accidents being avoidable by all the people involved.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Driverless cars will be like demolition derby
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The cameras and ultrasonic sensors will see the train and the deer. They will react accordingly.

Plus, the car will never be under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The car will never be distracted. And the car will never be falling asleep.

You are one gullable guy, even for a leftist. It will never see all train tracks, the train, deer, nor any child standing on the corner about to walk out without looking. Within 6 months people will have figured out how to hack into the car driving next to them.

 

[Weatherman2020]

First it will be certain areas, to relieve parking issues. Next it will be a safety issue.

33k people died in 2014 in traffic accidents. The cost of traffic accidents runs into the billions every year.

Until we have a good idea how well these driverless cars work and how much they cost, how can you justify any of that?

It is a huge leap of faith. Will airlines start flying planes with no pilots at all?

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

How big a clusterfuck would be caused, I wonder, by a cardboard box or big trash bag blowing across the road 15' in front of a self-driving car going 60MPH in moderate to heavy traffic?

Exactly. Or a child standing on the curb. No way it can tell if the child is not looking and about to step out.

 

[WinterBorn]

Driverless cars will be like demolition derby
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The cameras and ultrasonic sensors will see the train and the deer. They will react accordingly.

Plus, the car will never be under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The car will never be distracted. And the car will never be falling asleep.

You are one gullable guy, even for a leftist. It will never see all train tracks, the train, deer, nor any child standing on the corner about to walk out without looking. Within 6 months people will have figured out how to hack into the car driving next to them.
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Why will it not see all the trains or deer? Multiple cameras and ultrasonic sensors will detect both. The child on the curb? It will detect it and slow accordingly.

As for hacking, who says it will be hacked? And if it does get hacked, the most they will likely be able to do is shut it down.

 

[WinterBorn]

Until we have a good idea how well these driverless cars work and how much they cost, how can you justify any of that?

It is a huge leap of faith. Will airlines start flying planes with no pilots at all?

We know there cost already, Tesla has them right now. And, yes, such computers and computing power will make individual air transport possible.
Lilium

I own two Teslas with the latest driver assist technology. While it is a great tool for drivers, it is far from as good as a person driving.

For instance, if lane markings are new it will hold a lane. If the lane markings are old or covered by dirt the warning light will show for the driver to take over. Also construction zones where the lane marking have been moved, the car tends to follow the old markings if they weren't removed totally.

The emergency braking tends to brake too early.

Emergency braking goes too early? Hmmm, and so many of the naysayers were worried about the car not braking.

How big a clusterfuck would be caused, I wonder, by a cardboard box or big trash bag blowing across the road 15' in front of a self-driving car going 60MPH in moderate to heavy traffic?

Exactly. Or a child standing on the curb. No way it can tell if the child is not looking and about to step out.

The car will detect the child and slow accordingly.

 

[Shrimpbox]

Real life scenario. You are on an entrance ramp in a traffic jam and the polite driver to your left motions for you to go ahead and pull in. What does the driverless car do?

Or what if a degenerate throws a dog or cat in front of an auto car and the car slams on the brakes causing an accident or worse allowing goons to attack the car. What about black ice. What about fog. What about a hacker or terrorist taking the car over. What about a policeman waving it over the shoulder and onto the grass to keep traffic moving. I could go on all day.

In a city with minimal speed limits and no other regular cars maybe. But then you are going to charge me road taxes and not let me drive on the road, I don’t think so.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Real life scenario. You are on an entrance ramp in a traffic jam and the polite driver to your left motions for you to go ahead and pull in. What does the driverless car do?

It sits on the on-ramp until another car plows into it from behind or until a hole in traffic opens for it to merge.

 

[WinterBorn]

Real life scenario. You are on an entrance ramp in a traffic jam and the polite driver to your left motions for you to go ahead and pull in. What does the driverless car do?

Or what if a degenerate throws a dog or cat in front of an auto car and the car slams on the brakes causing an accident or worse allowing goons to attack the car. What about black ice. What about fog. What about a hacker or terrorist taking the car over. What about a policeman waving it over the shoulder and onto the grass to keep traffic moving. I could go on all day.

In a city with minimal speed limits and no other regular cars maybe. But then you are going to charge me road taxes and not let me drive on the road, I don’t think so.

The polite driver is in a driverless car too, so it doesn't happen.
If someone throws a dog or cat in front of your auto car, the car stops. If the people behind you hit you they were following too close.
Black ice and fog will be handled by the ultrasonic sensors better than by human eyes.
The terrorists will be reported to the police and the auto car's auto defense system burns them down with lasers.
The policeman waving you to the shoulder is actually the terrorist's partner, so the auto car burns him down too.

Most states have road taxes added to the price of gasoline.

 

[WinterBorn]

Real life scenario. You are on an entrance ramp in a traffic jam and the polite driver to your left motions for you to go ahead and pull in. What does the driverless car do?

It sits on the on-ramp until another car plows into it from behind or until a hole in traffic opens for it to merge.

Waits for the space to open up? That will work.

 

[Weatherman2020]

Driverless cars will be like demolition derby
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The cameras and ultrasonic sensors will see the train and the deer. They will react accordingly.

Plus, the car will never be under the influence of drugs or alcohol. The car will never be distracted. And the car will never be falling asleep.

You are one gullable guy, even for a leftist. It will never see all train tracks, the train, deer, nor any child standing on the corner about to walk out without looking. Within 6 months people will have figured out how to hack into the car driving next to them.
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Why will it not see all the trains or deer? Multiple cameras and ultrasonic sensors will detect both. The child on the curb? It will detect it and slow accordingly.

As for hacking, who says it will be hacked? And if it does get hacked, the most they will likely be able to do is shut it down.

Tell us, where does the technology exist that can discern a standing deer in brush and an unmarked railroad crossing with a stationary child standing by the road and tell the child is waiting for you to pass or is looking the other way as he prepares to step into the street in half a second?

You're delusional.