Drive by shooting in Perth, Australia....but...they have gun control...right?

[BlackFlag]

and in a country like the USA with millions of different type mongrel people we are a very peaceful country . We have a country of about 310 million not counting illegals according to USA Census in 2010 and only about 30 thousand gun deaths per year and that includes suicides . Heck , USA has more or about the same Car deaths as it has gun deaths per year Lowrie .

10,982 gun murders in 2017 in the U.S. according to the FBI. Of those, 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, and of the rest, the vast majority are friends and family of the criminals...so in a population of 310 million we maybe have 1,200 actual innocent people murdered with guns....while cars still killed over 38,000 people..... and doctors, through negilgence, kill over 250,000......

They have nothing to argue with but emotion...

I fully support extending all the requirements of purchasing and driving a car onto guns.

 

[2aguy]

they are happening more and more as they get a more diverse population caused by immigration Gents , Lowrie and Marc and Taz . Do some 'google' of riots and 'african' gangs and just gangs in 'australia' and see what you guys think . I thought it sounded like good times as i snickered at the plight of the disarmed 'aussies' Gents .

Surely it has nothing to do with the record number of guns in Australia and still climbing

No...because normal citizens are banned from owning guns...so it is the criminals getting the guns and using them illegally...on an island.....

You still have nothing...

Normal citizens are not banned from owning guns. If you are losing an argument, blatantly lying will not save it.

Yes...they are. They have to store them in gun clubs, and even the ranchers only have a few types of single shot, shotguns that they can have, meanwhile, the criminals use handguns and military rifles.....

Gun city: Young, dumb and armed

The notion that a military-grade weapon could be in the hands of local criminals is shocking, but police have already seized at least five machine guns and assault rifles in the past 18 months. The AK-47 was not among them.

Only a fortnight ago, law enforcement authorities announced they were hunting another seven assault rifles recently smuggled into the country. Weapons from the shipment have been used in armed robberies and drive-by shootings.

These are just a handful of the thousands of illicit guns fuelling a wave of violent crime in the world’s most liveable city.

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Despite Australia’s strict gun control regime, criminals are now better armed than at any time since then-Prime Minister John Howard introduced a nationwide firearm buyback scheme in response to the 1996 Port Arthur massacre.

Shootings have become almost a weekly occurrence, with more than 125 people, mostly young men, wounded in the past five year

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While the body count was higher during Melbourne’s ‘Underbelly War’ (1999-2005), more people have been seriously maimed in the recent spate of shootings and reprisals.

Crimes associated with firearm possession have also more than doubled, driven by the easy availability of handguns, semi-automatic rifles, shotguns and, increasingly, machine guns, that are smuggled into the country or stolen from licensed owners.

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These weapons have been used in dozens of recent drive-by shootings of homes and businesses, as well as targeted and random attacks in parks, shopping centres and roads.

“They’re young, dumb and armed,” said one former underworld associate, who survived a shooting attempt in the western suburbs several years ago.

“It used to be that if you were involved in something bad you might have to worry about [being shot]. Now people get shot over nothing - unprovoked.”

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Gun crime soars
In this series, Fairfax Media looks at Melbourne’s gun problem and the new breed of criminals behind the escalating violence.

The investigation has found:

• There have been at least 99 shootings in the past 20 months - more than one incident a week since January 2015
• Known criminals were caught with firearms 755 times last year, compared to 143 times in 2011
• The epicentre of the problem is a triangle between Coolaroo, Campbellfield and Glenroy in the north-west, with Cranbourne, Narre Warren and Dandenong in the south-east close behind
• Criminals are using gunshot wounds to the arms and legs as warnings to pay debts
• Assault rifles and handguns are being smuggled into Australia via shipments of electronics and metal parts

In response to the violence, it can be revealed the state government is planning to introduce new criminal offences for drive-by shootings, manufacturing of firearms with new technologies such as 3D printers, and more police powers to keep weapons out of the hands of known criminals.
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The second part of the series....
Gun city: Gunslingers of the North West


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'Thousands' of illegal guns tipped to be handed over in firearms amnesty

Asked roughly how many he expected to be handed in, Mr Keenan said: "Look I certainly think the number will be in the thousands."

The Australian Crime Commission estimated in 2012 there were at least 250,000 illegal guns in Australia. But a Senate report noted last year it was impossible to estimate how many illicit weapons are out there.


And despite Australia's strict border controls, the smuggling of high-powered military-style firearms is also a growing problem.

 

[2aguy]

and in a country like the USA with millions of different type mongrel people we are a very peaceful country . We have a country of about 310 million not counting illegals according to USA Census in 2010 and only about 30 thousand gun deaths per year and that includes suicides . Heck , USA has more or about the same Car deaths as it has gun deaths per year Lowrie .

10,982 gun murders in 2017 in the U.S. according to the FBI. Of those, 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, and of the rest, the vast majority are friends and family of the criminals...so in a population of 310 million we maybe have 1,200 actual innocent people murdered with guns....while cars still killed over 38,000 people..... and doctors, through negilgence, kill over 250,000......

They have nothing to argue with but emotion...

I fully support extending all the requirements of purchasing and driving a car onto guns.

Too bad Guns are protected by the Constitution....you would have been one of those democrats who used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep Blacks from voting.....typical democrat....

 

[pismoe]

WE are America for my lifetime at least

and in a country like the USA with millions of different type mongrel people we are a very peaceful country . We have a country of about 310 million not counting illegals according to USA Census in 2010 and only about 30 thousand gun deaths per year and that includes suicides . Heck , USA has more or about the same Car deaths as it has gun deaths per year Lowrie .

10,982 gun murders in 2017 in the U.S. according to the FBI. Of those, 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, and of the rest, the vast majority are friends and family of the criminals...so in a population of 310 million we maybe have 1,200 actual innocent people murdered with guns....while cars still killed over 38,000 people..... and doctors, through negilgence, kill over 250,000......

They have nothing to argue with but emotion...

I fully support extending all the requirements of purchasing and driving a car onto guns.

--------------------------------------------- i don't because driving cars , buying cars are PERMISSION Granted by 'government' while owning , using , owning and buying guns is a RIGHT BFlag .

 

[BlackFlag]

and in a country like the USA with millions of different type mongrel people we are a very peaceful country . We have a country of about 310 million not counting illegals according to USA Census in 2010 and only about 30 thousand gun deaths per year and that includes suicides . Heck , USA has more or about the same Car deaths as it has gun deaths per year Lowrie .

10,982 gun murders in 2017 in the U.S. according to the FBI. Of those, 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, and of the rest, the vast majority are friends and family of the criminals...so in a population of 310 million we maybe have 1,200 actual innocent people murdered with guns....while cars still killed over 38,000 people..... and doctors, through negilgence, kill over 250,000......

They have nothing to argue with but emotion...

I fully support extending all the requirements of purchasing and driving a car onto guns.

Too bad Guns are protected by the Constitution....you would have been one of those democrats who used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep Blacks from voting.....typical democrat....

And cars serve purposes other than to kill or maim. If you know your lame car argument is stupid and not comparable to guns, then you shouldn’t use it. Too retarded.

 

[2aguy]

and in a country like the USA with millions of different type mongrel people we are a very peaceful country . We have a country of about 310 million not counting illegals according to USA Census in 2010 and only about 30 thousand gun deaths per year and that includes suicides . Heck , USA has more or about the same Car deaths as it has gun deaths per year Lowrie .

10,982 gun murders in 2017 in the U.S. according to the FBI. Of those, 70-80% of the victims are actual criminals, and of the rest, the vast majority are friends and family of the criminals...so in a population of 310 million we maybe have 1,200 actual innocent people murdered with guns....while cars still killed over 38,000 people..... and doctors, through negilgence, kill over 250,000......

They have nothing to argue with but emotion...

I fully support extending all the requirements of purchasing and driving a car onto guns.

Too bad Guns are protected by the Constitution....you would have been one of those democrats who used Poll Taxes and Literacy tests to keep Blacks from voting.....typical democrat....

And cars serve purposes other than to kill or maim. If you know your lame car argument is stupid and not comparable to guns, then you shouldn’t use it. Too retarded.

Guns save lives.....and take fewer lives than cars do. If you don't understand that cars kill more people accidentally than guns do in the hands of criminals who have to break the law to commit murder and suffer the consequences for it...you really are pretty stupid. Guns in the hands of Americans are used 1.1 million times a year to save lives, stop rapes, robberies and other crimes.....guns save more lives than they take, making them a benefit to civilization.....

 

[harmonica]

I don't understand?
you always bring up countries with arguments FOR gun control--is that your aim?
Crime levels 46.01 Australia
Ranked 47th. 55.84 US
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia

3
AUS Ranked 36th. 32.57
US Ranked 10th. 11 times more than Australia
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

 

[2aguy]

I don't understand?
you always bring up countries with arguments FOR gun control--is that your aim?
Crime levels 46.01 Australia
Ranked 47th. 55.84 US
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia

3
AUS Ranked 36th. 32.57
US Ranked 10th. 11 times more than Australia
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

What you fail to understand is that gun control isn't working in those countries....you seem to think that murder automatically happens if the criminal has a gun. It doesn't. Britain is being flooded with illegal guns...but their gun murder rate is staying about the same level as before they banned guns. That is likely to change as their drug gangs fight over territory.

Then you have 26 years of experience in the United States...if what you believe is true, then as more people own and carry guns the gun crime rate would go up, the gun murder rate would go up...that didn't happen in the U.S. As more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate dropped 49%....you can't explain that and you have yet to try. Our gun crime rate went down 75%....your theory can't explain that. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, another fact you can't explain........

What explains crime in the U.S.? There are tiny areas in our major cities....a few neighborhoods out of millions of people, where the democrat party has been in control for decades....and the democrat party politicians, judges and prosecutors continue to release known, violent, repeat gun offenders, with multiple gun convictions, back onto the streets.....it is this tiny, tiny population driving our current crime rate...not normal, law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense.

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns and crime in these countries.....you focus on the wrong information...

 

[harmonica]

I don't understand?
you always bring up countries with arguments FOR gun control--is that your aim?
Crime levels 46.01 Australia
Ranked 47th. 55.84 US
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia

3
AUS Ranked 36th. 32.57
US Ranked 10th. 11 times more than Australia
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

What you fail to understand is that gun control isn't working in those countries....you seem to think that murder automatically happens if the criminal has a gun. It doesn't. Britain is being flooded with illegal guns...but their gun murder rate is staying about the same level as before they banned guns. That is likely to change as their drug gangs fight over territory.

Then you have 26 years of experience in the United States...if what you believe is true, then as more people own and carry guns the gun crime rate would go up, the gun murder rate would go up...that didn't happen in the U.S. As more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate dropped 49%....you can't explain that and you have yet to try. Our gun crime rate went down 75%....your theory can't explain that. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, another fact you can't explain........

What explains crime in the U.S.? There are tiny areas in our major cities....a few neighborhoods out of millions of people, where the democrat party has been in control for decades....and the democrat party politicians, judges and prosecutors continue to release known, violent, repeat gun offenders, with multiple gun convictions, back onto the streets.....it is this tiny, tiny population driving our current crime rate...not normal, law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense.

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns and crime in these countries.....you focus on the wrong information...

murder rate ELEVEN times lower......?????
how do you explain that?

 

[2aguy]

I don't understand?
you always bring up countries with arguments FOR gun control--is that your aim?
Crime levels 46.01 Australia
Ranked 47th. 55.84 US
Ranked 30th. 21% more than Australia

3
AUS Ranked 36th. 32.57
US Ranked 10th. 11 times more than Australia
Australia vs United States: Crime Facts and Stats

What you fail to understand is that gun control isn't working in those countries....you seem to think that murder automatically happens if the criminal has a gun. It doesn't. Britain is being flooded with illegal guns...but their gun murder rate is staying about the same level as before they banned guns. That is likely to change as their drug gangs fight over territory.

Then you have 26 years of experience in the United States...if what you believe is true, then as more people own and carry guns the gun crime rate would go up, the gun murder rate would go up...that didn't happen in the U.S. As more Americans own and carry guns over the last 26 years our gun murder rate dropped 49%....you can't explain that and you have yet to try. Our gun crime rate went down 75%....your theory can't explain that. Our violent crime rate went down 72%, another fact you can't explain........

What explains crime in the U.S.? There are tiny areas in our major cities....a few neighborhoods out of millions of people, where the democrat party has been in control for decades....and the democrat party politicians, judges and prosecutors continue to release known, violent, repeat gun offenders, with multiple gun convictions, back onto the streets.....it is this tiny, tiny population driving our current crime rate...not normal, law abiding people who own and carry guns for self defense.

You don't know what you are talking about when it comes to guns and crime in these countries.....you focus on the wrong information...

murder rate ELEVEN times lower......?????
how do you explain that?

Easy....culture, population.....our violence is contained in tiny areas of cities that have been under the control of the democrat party for decades, if not close to 100 years.....you have a culture in those areas of fatherless homes, dependence on government welfare and an education system controlled by democrats which keeps the poor helpless and hopeless. The fatherless homes create young males without anyone to teach them self control, and how to be adult men....whose only role models are criminals...this leads to low impulse control and lots of violence. We also didn't experience the destruction of World War 1 and 2, which deeply affected Europe....

However....as the increasing levels of violence in Europe and Australia show.....their social welfare states are now reaching the point the United States was at in the early 1960s....where violence was on the rise and crime out of control..... it took us until the 1990s to get a handle on that, and they are just now entering that period of violence....