Mass public shooting in Rotterdam....killing 3 people...but...Europe has gun control?

[Slade3200]

It isn't any solution. They simply exploit the rare mass public shootings in this country to push taking guns away from normal people. The solution is to make schools safer with single entry access, cameras, direct to police department call boxes, and to allow some staff to carry guns if they get the training. Do that, and school shootings will end....the rarest of rare of the mass public shootings. All other types of mass public shootings you simply get rid of stupid gun free zones, and mass public shooters will stop targeting public places.

Now that you got that out of your system, care to answer my question?

 

[2aguy]

2aguy is yet wrong again. The Bing AI Chat search engines:

"According to the USA TODAY/Associated Press/Northeastern University mass killing database, there were 42 mass killings in the United States in 2022, resulting in the deaths of 210 people 1.

It’s important to note that the definition of a mass killing can vary depending on the source. The Gun Violence Archive defines a mass shooting as an incident in which four or more people, excluding the perpetrator(s), are shot in one location at roughly the same time 2. The Congressional Research Service narrows that definition to four or more killed and excludes the injured who survive 2."

2aguy cannot defend his lies.

No, according to Mother Jones data base.....actual mass public shootings.....not every time gang members shoot at their rival gang members...

The Gun violence Archive is a lie......they use gang shootings to falsify their number......because actual mass public shootings are so rare, they can't scare uninformed people with the actual number....

Here is mother jones......they use the actual definition.....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
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• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[Slade3200]

It isn't any solution. They simply exploit the rare mass public shootings in this country to push taking guns away from normal people. The solution is to make schools safer with single entry access, cameras, direct to police department call boxes, and to allow some staff to carry guns if they get the training. Do that, and school shootings will end....the rarest of rare of the mass public shootings. All other types of mass public shootings you simply get rid of stupid gun free zones, and mass public shooters will stop targeting public places.

I’m curious. Do you support eliminating the department of education?

 

[2aguy]

Now that you got that out of your system, care to answer my question?

I did. They claim it is part of a solution, but it is not.

 

[2aguy]

I’m curious. Do you support eliminating the department of education?

Yes. States should handle the education systems in their towns and cities. Sending money to washington is just fucking stupid.

 

[2aguy]

They don't seem to get them very often. Certainly not as often as we do here. We should be doing what they are doing.

We had 12 mass public shootings in 2022, in a country of over 350 million Americans.

12 people out of over 350 million.

74 murdered.

Europe murdered 15-20 million in just 6 years.....including well over 1 million children.

Europe simply prefers for murder to be done by their governments......

 

[2aguy]

How often?

Sweden....

During the past few decades, violent mass shooting in Sweden has increased rapidly. In the 36 years between 1960 and 1995, fourteen such occasions were recorded, during which 32 people were killed and 57 were wounded. The 14 offenders were men between the ages of 17 and 61 years. In the 20 years from 1960 to 1979, five shootings were committed by five offenders, leaving 10 dead and 13 wounded; in the 16 years between 1980 and 1995, there were nine different shootings committed by nine offenders, with 22 dead and 44 wounded. Seven of the shootings were classified as mass shootings, six as spree shootings, and one as a serial shooting. In all but four of these cases, the firearms used were illegal weapons. The four legal firearms belonged to an unemployed young laborer, an officer, a former United Nations (U.N.) soldier, and a member of the Swedish military volunteer corps. Of those killed, 68.8% were strangers to the offender; among the wounded, the corresponding figure was 89.5%. Profiles of the offenders and of the victims were studied. The psychiatric diagnoses among the offenders and the measures taken to prevent the increase in mass shooting in Sweden are presented.

Violent mass shootings in Sweden from 1960 to 1995: profiles, patterns, and motives - PubMed

During the past few decades, violent mass shooting in Sweden has increased rapidly. In the 36 years between 1960 and 1995, fourteen such occasions were recorded, during which 32 people were killed and 57 were wounded. The 14 offenders were men between the ages of 17 and 61 years. In the 20 years...

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

U.S.....

The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

 

[Meathead]

OOh look!

He finally found one!!!

Couple of years ago some guy killed seven people with a gun here in the Czech Republic.

These things do not only happen in the US, but are not covered by MSM.

 

[Slade3200]

I did. They claim it is part of a solution, but it is not.

So I understand your response in relation to my question would it be correct to say that you agree that gun regulation supporters do NOT claim that it is a full proof solution?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

No, according to Mother Jones data base.....actual mass public shootings.....not every time gang members shoot at their rival gang members...

The Gun violence Archive is a lie......they use gang shootings to falsify their number......because actual mass public shootings are so rare, they can't scare uninformed people with the actual number....

Here is mother jones......they use the actual definition.....

US mass shootings, 1982–2023: Data from Mother Jones’ investigation

Dating back to at least 2005, the FBI and leading criminologists essentially defined a mass shooting as a single attack in a public place in which four or more victims were killed. We adopted that baseline for fatalities when we gathered data in 2012 on three decades worth of cases.
-------

• Here is a description of the criteria we use:
  
  
  • The perpetrator took the lives of at least four people. A 2008 FBI report identifies an individual as a mass murderer—versus a spree killer or a serial killer—if he kills four or more people in a single incident (not including himself), typically in a single location. (*In 2013, the US government’s fatality baseline was revised down to three; our database reflects this change beginning from Jan. 2013, as detailed above.)
  • The killings were carried out by a lone shooter. (Except in the case of the Columbine massacre and the Westside Middle School killings, which involved two shooters.)
  • The shootings occurred in a public place. (Except in the case of a party on private property in Crandon, Wisconsin, and another in Seattle, where crowds of strangers had gathered, essentially constituting a public crowd.) Crimes primarily related to gang activity or armed robbery are not included, nor are mass killings that took place in private homes (often stemming from domestic violence).
  • Perpetrators who died or were wounded during the attack are not included in the victim tallies.
  • We included a handful of cases also known as “spree killings“—cases in which the killings occurred in more than one location, but still over a short period of time, that otherwise fit the above criteria.
  ----------------------

Our research focused on indiscriminate rampages in public places resulting in four or more victims killed by the attacker. We exclude shootings stemming from more conventionally motivated crimes such as armed robbery or gang violence. (Or in which the perpetrators have not been identified.) Other news outlets and researchers have since published larger tallies that include a wide range of gun crimes in which four or more people have been either wounded or killed. While those larger datasets of multiple-victim shootings are useful for studying the broader problem of gun violence, our investigation provides an in-depth look at a distinct phenomenon—from the firearms used and mental health factors to the growing copycat problem. Tracking mass shootings is complex; we believe ours is the most useful approach for studying this specific phenomenon.



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The actual number of mass shootings from Mother Jones......

Here you go...the number of mass public shootings according to Mother Jones...rabid, anti gun, left wing news source.....not the NRA...

The list below comes from the old definition of 4 killed to make a shooting a mass shooting...if you now go to the link there are more than listed below...but that is because Mother Jones changed the list from the time I first posted it...and changed to obama's new standard of only 3 dead to make a mass shooting...



US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


2022...12

2021...6

2020....2

2019....10

2018... 12

2017: 11 ( 5 according to the old standard)

2016....6

2015....4 ( obama's new standard....7)

2014....2 (4)

2013....5

2012....7

2011....3

2010....1

2009....4

2008....3

2007....4

2006....3

2005...2

2004....1

2003...1

2002 not listed so more than likely 0

2001....1

2000....1

1999....5

1998...3

1997....2

1996....1

1995...1

1994...1

1993...4

1992...2

1991...3

1990...1

1989...2

1988....1

1987...1

1986...1

1985... not listed so probably 0

1984...2

1983...not listed so probably 0

1982...1

School shootings...

2022.....1
2021....1
2020....0
2019....0
2018.....2
2017....0
2016...0
2015....1 (community college)
2014...1
2013.....0
2012....2
2011....0
2010...0


US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation

US Mass Shootings, 1982-2015: Data From Mother Jones' Investigation


Deer kill 200 people a year.....

Lawn mowers between 90-100 people a year....

Ladders 300 people a year....

bathtubs 350 people a year...

Cars killed over 39,000 people in 2019...



Total number of people killed in mass public shootings by year...


2022....74
2021...43
2020....5
2019....73
2018.....93
2017........117
2016......71
2015......37
2014..... 9
2013..... 36
2012..... 72
2011..... 19
2010....9
2009...39
2008...18
2007...54
2006...21
2005...17
2004...5
2003...7
2002...not listed by mother jones
2001...5
2000...7
1999...42
1998...14
1997...9
1996...6
1995...6
1994....5
1993...23
1992...9
1991...35
1990...10
1989...15
1988...7
1987...6
1986...15
1985...(none listed)
1984...28
1983 (none listed)
1982...8

When you understand what Mother Jones is saying, we can talk about it.

In the meantime, Europe has three times the population of America (you were very wrong there) and far fewer mass shooting (you were wrong there, too).

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Couple of years ago some guy killed seven people with a gun here in the Czech Republic.

These things do not only happen in the US, but are not covered by MSM.

They happen in America far more often than in the Czech Republic, and the MSM does cover them.

 

[2aguy]

So I understand your response in relation to my question would it be correct to say that you agree that gun regulation supporters do NOT claim that it is a full proof solution?

Yep....they say that gun control won't stop all of the shootings.....I say they don't stop any of the shootings.

 

[BULLDOG]

We had 12 mass public shootings in 2022, in a country of over 350 million Americans.

12 people out of over 350 million.

74 murdered.

Europe murdered 15-20 million in just 6 years.....including well over 1 million children.

Europe simply prefers for murder to be done by their governments......

I can see how hard you are trying, and admire your effort, but you're just not proving your point. That's because your point is just bullshit.

 

[2aguy]

I can see how hard you are trying, and admire your effort, but you're just not proving your point. That's because your point is just bullshit.

Yeah.....sell that to biden voters. Europe murdered more people in 6 years than 247 years of gun murder in the U.S....but keep selling us on gun control.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yeah.....sell that to biden voters. Europe murdered more people in 6 years than 247 years of gun murder in the U.S....but keep selling us on gun control.

Are you trying to compare the Holocaust to our gun deaths?

 

[2aguy]

Are you trying to compare the Holocaust to our gun deaths?

Yep. Government murdered between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children, after first banning and confiscating guns across Europe.

In just 6 years.

They banned and confiscated guns in each European country on the promise it would make the people safer, since government would keep them safe.

It did not keep them safe.

There was one country that did not send it's citizens to socialist death camps.....Switzerland....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.
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6 years, 15-20 million innocents murdered across Europe.

Gun murder in the U.S......2,470,000 in 247 years of our entire history......

 

[Meathead]

They happen in America far more often than in the Czech Republic, and the MSM does cover them.

Do you have any idea how many more people live in the US than CZ? You had never heard of it, liar!

 

[BULLDOG]

Yep. Government murdered between 15-20 million innocent men, women and children, after first banning and confiscating guns across Europe.

In just 6 years.

They banned and confiscated guns in each European country on the promise it would make the people safer, since government would keep them safe.

It did not keep them safe.

There was one country that did not send it's citizens to socialist death camps.....Switzerland....

THE SWISS WERE PREPARED TO FIGHT FACISM TO THE BITTER END | FRONTLINE | PBS

That is why the Nazis despised Switzerland. Joseph Goebbels called Switzerland "this stinking little state" where "sentiment has turned very much against us." Adolf Hitler decided that "all the rubbish of small nations still existing in Europe must be liquidated," even if it meant he would later "be attacked as the 'Butcher of the Swiss.'"

The 1940 Nazi invasion plan, Operation Tannenbaum, was not executed, and SS Oberst Hermann Bohme's 1943 memorandum warned that an invasion of Switzerland would be too costly because every man was armed and trained to shoot. This did not stop the Gestapo from preparing lists of Swiss to be liquidated once the Nazis overran the country.

The other European nations were easily toppled and had little means to wage a partisan war against the occupation. Once their standing armies were defeated, the governments capitulated and the populaces were defenseless.

Only in Switzerland was the entire populace armed and prepared to wage a relentless guerrilla war against an invader. When the war began in 1939, Switzerland mobilized 435,000 citizen soldiers out of a population of 4.2 million. Production figures for Swiss service rifles, which had firepower equal to those of the Germans, demonstrate an ample supply of small arms. Swiss militiamen were instructed to disregard any alleged "official" surrender as enemy propaganda and, if necessary, to fight individually. This meant that a nation of sharpshooters would be sniping at German soldiers at long ranges from every mountain.

While neutral, Switzerland was prepared to fight a Nazi invasion to the end. The celebrated Swiss Gen. Henri Guisan developed the strategy known as defense du reduit--an initial opposition followed by a retreat into the Alps, where a relentless war to the death would be waged. Most Swiss strongly opposed Nazism. Death sentences were issued for fifth-column activities, and proclamations against anti-Semitism were passed at various official levels. There was no Holocaust on Swiss soil, something that can not be said for France, the Netherlands, Poland or most of Europe.
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6 years, 15-20 million innocents murdered across Europe.

Gun murder in the U.S......2,470,000 in 247 years of our entire history......

Hitler only banned Jews from having guns. the party loyalists were encouraged to be armed.

 

[2aguy]

Hitler only banned Jews from having guns. the party loyalists were encouraged to be armed.

Yeah.....he banned guns for the political enemies of the socialists, then he murdered them. You don't have a point.

Soooo...the democrats here in this country want to ban guns for everyone.....what does that tell us according to your post?

 

[BULLDOG]

Yeah.....he banned guns for the political enemies of the socialists, then he murdered them. You don't have a point.

Soooo...the democrats here in this country want to ban guns for everyone.....what does that tell us according to your post?

Nobody wants to ban all guns dumb ass. If you could somehow get that one fact into that ball of goo you call a brain, your world wouldn't be so scary.