100 34. “The struggle between two contending images of America has been a constant of our history. From the beginning, many Americans, unhappy with a Constitution that was undeniably secular, defined the United States as a Christian nation. They believed that the civil order and spiritual order are interrelated and interdependent; that if Christianity is the true faith, those who deny it are wrong and misguided; that non-Christians should be tolerated but that government, to be strong and virtuous and moral, must be allied with the religion of the majority.”
Morton Borden is a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of Jews, Turks, and Infidels (University of North Carolina Press, 1984).
The above is a perfect description of Trump Christians, who hold the main source of truth to be the Holy Bible. Many times literally..
More trolling by a race baiter.
i.
Papageorgio cxxxi. to 128: More nonsense and trolling by our resident troll, nothing to say, but he speaks anyway.
ppgrg 241221 Sdrpjo00131
ii.
NotfooledbyW cxxxii. to 131. : I can’t force intellectual curiosity on you, Saint Papageorgio.. Either you have it or you don’t.
nfbw 241221 Sprgio00132
iii.
Papageorgio cxxxiii. to 132. : More trolling by a race baiter.
ppgrg 2312332 Sprgio00133
iv.
NotfooledbyW cxxxiv. to 133. : I am trying to have a civil conversation with Saint Papageorgio regarding the established and consistent curse of racially divisions that are driven by what’s called get the “Christian Biblical Worldview” in politics.
Indeed, the title of this thread is “ Dr. Robert P. Jones on What White Christians Have Wrought in American Politics.” indeed I have introduced some post from the thread that I started on this topic titled “What did Iowa's evangelicals do?”
For that, all I get is insults from Saint Papageorgio calling me a troll and a race baiter.
My contribution here, is supportive of Dr. Robert P Jones and his work that has been cited in this thread by the OP. I think it is important to understanding where we are politically on the issue of race and religion in the lives of working class Americans.
I also want to discuss the way the global oligarchy of billionaires impacts the racial division in politics due in part to the religion of Judeo-Christianity
….. for that, I am called a troll and a race baiter. wtf is all I can say as I will continue to discuss this topic because it is important.
There is another rational thinker on this topic who I shall introduce here with an excerpt about the most American human source of religious liberty and freedom of conscience that we as Americans of all races and religions and non-religions are supposed to enjoy.
Morton Borden is a professor of history at the University of California, Santa Barbara, and author of Jews, Turks, and Infidels (University of North Carolina Press, 1984).
nfbw 241221 Vdrpjo00134
Faith of Our Founders
Jefferson's view of religious freedom, some of his contemporaries complained, exalted individual freedom at the expense of majority rights. Indeed it did, and still does, since Jefferson opposed all tyrannies, of monarchs as well as of majorities. He considered his authorship of the Statute of Virginia for Religious Freedom as memorable and significant as the Declaration of Independence.
But there have been many throughout American history, to this day, who have been unable to accept either Jefferson's ideas on religious freedom or his motives. The Virginia Statute, in fact, one rather typical critic contended, denigrated Christianity. It amounted to "an alliance between the civil authority and infidelity.
Secularism has been, a recent scholar concludes, "one of Jefferson's richest legacies to democracy." Those on the religious right today cannot conceive of republicanism functioning successfully without a Christian foundation.
Like their 19th-century predecessors, they point to current national problems as proof and rely on psychological stress to attract support. They are as zealous as they are indefatigable, for they believe it is the Lord's work.
v.
NotfooledbyW cxxxiv. to 133. : That last sentence ….
(white Christians with a fundamentally strict biblical worldview.) are as zealous as they are indefatigable, for they believe it is the Lord's work.”.
I believe when understood in the context of the full piece, contributes heavily to the current dysfunction of our democracy from a purely working class point of view.
if you think there is no validity to my observation, please make an argument if you can, Saint Papageorgio.
nfbw 241221 Vdrpjo00134
