Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant ( Michigan)

[charwin95]

Looks like Democrats won the war against coal. I wonder if Hillary does a victory dance when a coal plant shuts down.

This is not about war against the coal industry. Hillary told them the truth. Trump lied to the coal miners.


50 US Coal Power Plants Have Shut Down Under Trump

50 US Coal Power Plants Have Shut Down Under Trump

Fifty coal-fired power plants have shut in the United States since President Donald Trump came to office two years ago, a major environmental organization said Thursday.

The Sierra Club counted 50 closures, along with 51 announcements of closure, since Trump was sworn into office in January 2017.

The numbers are distinct because it sometimes takes years between an announcement and the actual shuttering.

This week, the operators of two coal plants, one in Florida and the other in Utah, announced they would shut their doors within the next few years.

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

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regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

...and wind turbines are a fucking joke, They lose as much is 30% of their efficiency the very first year of use.
They are tearing more down than they are putting up here in the northern plains

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Sorry, but you can't spin getting rid of coal plants as a bad thing. It's not.

'Coal is on the way out': study finds fossil fuel now pricier than solar or wind

LOL.....that link has been posted a billion times in here. Its fake. Fails to factor in many related costs such as the building of transmission lines which is astronomical. Which of course is why most countries, like China for example are building coal plants at a rate of 2-3 per month for the next ten years! TEN YEARS!! Because it is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay cheaper.

Coal might be on the way out...…..but it will be out many years after every person posting on this message board is in their box for a long, long time!!!

China is waking up too...with a little help.

Exxon is helping China move away from coal - CNN

China Is Swallowing A Bitter Pill And Trying To Cut Its Coal Use

Lol
How Noble of them, Just shut the fuck up you sound like a pussy whipped bitch....

 

[charwin95]

But lets try to spin Intermittent power as wonderful...

They (the US Dept of Energy) have a plan for that. It’s called SMARTGrid. Very scary proposition too, if you ask me.

Yes....they just stop giving you power if they need it somewhere else......works great in extreme heat or cold....except for those who need cooling or heat ...... they wind up dead...but the left sees that as a feature, not a flaw, since dead people use even less resources.

Dude this is not about left or the right. It’s the reality in life.

Coal is dying either you or I like it or not. Natural gas are easier, cheaper to extract and produce. Natural gas is produced in 32 states but mostly coming from Texas, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Wyoming and Louisiana.

The whole AGW scam is purely political.

False. 32 natural gas producing states are making money. It’s the nature of doing business.

This has nothing to do with the left or right or political bs.
Trump just lied to the American as usual just to get the votes.

 

[Rustic]

Coal will be around for awhile. You can’t run baseload capacity on renewables. But demand for coal will continue to fall.

True, an all of the above strategy is best.
Each area needs to pursue what’s best for them, obviously coal and other so called fossil fuels Will always work the best up here in the northern plains. We basically have unlimited supply up here.
Renewables work better in other places.

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Ontario got rid of all of its coal fired plants and replaced them with wind mills. We have so much power from them, we're selling it to Americans. Here's a clue - the wind is always blowing - always. We have thousands of windmills in our country. Even on hot muggy days when there's barely a breeze, the windmills are turning. Ironically, when it's really windy, they shut them down, for safety reasons.

You conservative idiots are clinging to outmoded systems and models. It will destroy your country. You're being left behind.

Lol
Do what works good for your area, they don’t work worth a shit up here in the northern plains. I’m for an all of the above strategy, Cold turkey will help nobody.
And why do you give a shit about this country you’re up there in Canada, you should mind your own fucking business.

 

[Nosmo King]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Biomass, geothermal, tidal, hydrogen fuel cells. There are lots,of,alternatives. You should check,out the Exxon sponsored Fox News report on alternative sustainable energy!



I'm kidding! Exxon and Fox don't want you to know anything but what they tell you. Sorry.

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

Ontario got rid of all of its coal fired plants and replaced them with wind mills. We have so much power from them, we're selling it to Americans. Here's a clue - the wind is always blowing - always. We have thousands of windmills in our country. Even on hot muggy days when there's barely a breeze, the windmills are turning. Ironically, when it's really windy, they shut them down, for safety reasons.

You conservative idiots are clinging to outmoded systems and models. It will destroy your country. You're being left behind.

Mostof Ontario's power comes from hydroelectric. You are simply lying about how much comes from wind.

Every two thousand windmills is the equivalent of one coal fired power plant.

Yep,
Wind is a fucking joke, solar is much further along.
Wind is decades away from being viable, reliable and affordable

 

[HappyJoy]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

 

[Rustic]

Nothing like driving rates thru the roof in the name of your green god

The left NEVER consider that their 'green' higher energy costs hurt the poor and middle class. That is the pattern with assholes on the left, they don't care what must be sacrificed on the alter of liberalism.

Now why don't the left take the billions of dollars the piss away on stupid shit like California high speed rail and invest that into alternative energy hmmm. These liberal assholes talk out both sides of their mouths.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Let me guess. You are a Trump supporter.

1. High speed rail is an investment for people like me that travels to Las Vegas then back to Ca the same day.

2. Left has nothing to do with the dying energy like coal.

3. Like 20 years from now with all the car manufacturers are switching to electric vehicles. What do you think will happen to gasoline?



California is investing billions in clean energy away from coal.

Renewable Energy

California is leading the nation toward a 100 percent clean energy future and addressing climate change. The California Energy Commission plays a pivotal role by developing and mandating programs that use renewable energy, incentives for energy technology installation, renewable energy grants, and by ensuring the efforts benefit all Californians.

Lol
It is not an either/or thing, an all of the above thing. An all of the above strategy is best, There is no reason to villainize anything just because of political correctness. Go with what suits your area of the best.

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Lol
Na, not really
Political correctness has made you fucking retarded

 

[charwin95]

Even in Europe coal is dying.

Chart of the day: Is 2019 the beginning of the end for coal in Europe?

Chart of the day: Is 2019 the beginning of the end for coal in Europe?

Coal generation in Europe fell by a fifth in the first half of this year, with almost every coal-burning country cutting back.

Western Europe saw particularly dramatic drops in production – up to 79% in Ireland, according to climate think-tank Sandbag. And there were times of zero or near-zero generation in many countries. The UK, for example, switched off its coal plants for a fortnight in May for the first time.

Renewable resources are slowly taking the place of coal, with both solar and wind energy rising across the EU. However, the use of gas, another fossil fuel, has risen as coal disappears and carbon pricing shifts incentives.

 

[BluesLegend]

Nothing like driving rates thru the roof in the name of your green god

The left NEVER consider that their 'green' higher energy costs hurt the poor and middle class. That is the pattern with assholes on the left, they don't care what must be sacrificed on the alter of liberalism.

Now why don't the left take the billions of dollars the piss away on stupid shit like California high speed rail and invest that into alternative energy hmmm. These liberal assholes talk out both sides of their mouths.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Let me guess. You are a Trump supporter.

1. High speed rail is an investment for people like me that travels to Las Vegas then back to Ca the same day.

2. Left has nothing to do with the dying energy like coal.

3. Like 20 years from now with all the car manufacturers are switching to electric vehicles. What do you think will happen to gasoline?



California is investing billions in clean energy away from coal.

Renewable Energy

California is leading the nation toward a 100 percent clean energy future and addressing climate change. The California Energy Commission plays a pivotal role by developing and mandating programs that use renewable energy, incentives for energy technology installation, renewable energy grants, and by ensuring the efforts benefit all Californians.

You are deflecting and off topic. Liberal policies HURT THE POOR admit it you sack of useless liberal talking points.

 

[Rustic]

Even in Europe coal is dying.

Chart of the day: Is 2019 the beginning of the end for coal in Europe?

Chart of the day: Is 2019 the beginning of the end for coal in Europe?

Coal generation in Europe fell by a fifth in the first half of this year, with almost every coal-burning country cutting back.

Western Europe saw particularly dramatic drops in production – up to 79% in Ireland, according to climate think-tank Sandbag. And there were times of zero or near-zero generation in many countries. The UK, for example, switched off its coal plants for a fortnight in May for the first time.

Renewable resources are slowly taking the place of coal, with both solar and wind energy rising across the EU. However, the use of gas, another fossil fuel, has risen as coal disappears and carbon pricing shifts incentives.

Lol
An all of above strategy is best, political correctness solves nothing

 

[BluesLegend]

Looks like Democrats won the war against coal. I wonder if Hillary does a victory dance when a coal plant shuts down.

Most of the people who work in coal plants are Republicans, so I imagine she did do a victory dance.

Not exactly. Trumpy promised to the coal miners that he will bring back the coal industry..... but he lied just to get the votes.

Coal miners' struggle continues amid Trump promises, Democratic plans | Fox News

Coal miners' struggle continues amid Trump promises, Democratic plans
Doug McKelway By Doug McKelway | Fox News.

Trump didn't lie. He just isn't able to deliver on his promise. Coal will struggle so long as the price of natural gas is so low. However, there's a big difference between that and actively trying to kill it as the Obama administration did.

There was a brand new coal mine scheduled to open in WV only weeks after Obama took office in 2008. It had complied with all government regulations and approvals and studies etc. Obama slammed a bunch of new regulations on top of it killing it and the jobs. The two DEM senators from WV sent Obama a strongly worded letter, they were livid but Obama told them to shove it up their ass. Obama told the people in WV who lost their jobs to fuck off. Nothing is more important than the liberal agenda, not people not jobs nothing.

 

[HappyJoy]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Lol
Na, not really
Political correctness has made you fucking retarded

I can't possibly be at your level. Anyway, thanks for the generic wingnut cookie cutter reply.

 

[BluesLegend]

Nothing like driving rates thru the roof in the name of your green god

The left NEVER consider that their 'green' higher energy costs hurt the poor and middle class. That is the pattern with assholes on the left, they don't care what must be sacrificed on the alter of liberalism.

Now why don't the left take the billions of dollars the piss away on stupid shit like California high speed rail and invest that into alternative energy hmmm. These liberal assholes talk out both sides of their mouths.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Let me guess. You are a Trump supporter.

1. High speed rail is an investment for people like me that travels to Las Vegas then back to Ca the same day.

2. Left has nothing to do with the dying energy like coal.

3. Like 20 years from now with all the car manufacturers are switching to electric vehicles. What do you think will happen to gasoline?



California is investing billions in clean energy away from coal.

Renewable Energy

California is leading the nation toward a 100 percent clean energy future and addressing climate change. The California Energy Commission plays a pivotal role by developing and mandating programs that use renewable energy, incentives for energy technology installation, renewable energy grants, and by ensuring the efforts benefit all Californians.

Lol
It is not an either/or thing, an all of the above thing. An all of the above strategy is best, There is no reason to villainize anything just because of political correctness. Go with what suits your area of the best.

If coal was ZERO emission the left would still try to destroy it. You have to understand the left. When they demonize and attack something is rarely for the reasons they state. They hate fossil fuels because...wait for it...CORPORATIONS profit from them. The left feel all that money should be theirs, government owned profits like fossil fuels are in other countries. That's what pisses them off about fossil fuels. This is why clean coal, clean diesel, clean natural gas, none of these arguments work on liberals because emissions really are not the reason the are attacking. Its their hatred of for profit corporations.

 

[Rustic]

America has slightly over 400 coal plants. That means it would take about 800,000 wind turbines to replace all of our coal fire power plants. Just imagine how many birds they would slaughter every year. And they still require 100% backup!

Doubling State’s 1,100 Wind Turbines Won’t Replace This One Coal/Gas Plant

Michigan’s electric utilities gamble that the reliability of service won’t collapse.

Consumers Energy would have to double the number of wind turbines currently operating in this state to replace the electricity produced by just one of the coal- and gas-fired power plants it intends to close as part of its plans to rely more on renewable sources. The problem, however, is that those additional turbines only spin about one-third of the time, leaving a big energy gap for the households and businesses that rely on the company for their electricity.

..

regulated utilities and their vendors operate 1,107 industrial wind turbines in Michigan. These can produce 1,925.3 megawatts of electricity, but only when the wind is blowing. ​

America has coal plants. America has natural gas plants. America has oil fired plants. America has nuclear plants.

With all those ways of driving steam turbines, why do you think the only alternative is wind turbines? Couldn't wind be included in electrical generation the way coal, oil, natural gas and nuclear are?

The AGW cult believes that only solar and wind are viable alternatives.

Nope, almost anything is better than coal.

By the way, if you're so concerned about birds why not stop using your cell phone? Those towers kill way more birds than wind turbines do, not to mention climate change has also had a negative impact on the bird population. But you don't really care, do you?

Lol
Na, not really
Political correctness has made you fucking retarded

I can't possibly be at your level. Anyway, thanks for the generic wingnut cookie cutter reply.

Lol
Anyone wants any common sense knows there is climate change… It’s just not man-made.

I’m sorry political correctness has made you fucking retarded

 

[whitehall]

PETA and environmentalists should have been screaming when Obama issued an order that the wind turbine industry would be immune from prosecution for killing flocks of endangered migratory birds. It shows that phony animal rights organizations are just political pressure groups in it for the money and tools of the democrat party..

 

[charwin95]

Nothing like driving rates thru the roof in the name of your green god

The left NEVER consider that their 'green' higher energy costs hurt the poor and middle class. That is the pattern with assholes on the left, they don't care what must be sacrificed on the alter of liberalism.

Now why don't the left take the billions of dollars the piss away on stupid shit like California high speed rail and invest that into alternative energy hmmm. These liberal assholes talk out both sides of their mouths.

You don’t know what you are talking about. Let me guess. You are a Trump supporter.

1. High speed rail is an investment for people like me that travels to Las Vegas then back to Ca the same day.

2. Left has nothing to do with the dying energy like coal.

3. Like 20 years from now with all the car manufacturers are switching to electric vehicles. What do you think will happen to gasoline?



California is investing billions in clean energy away from coal.

Renewable Energy

California is leading the nation toward a 100 percent clean energy future and addressing climate change. The California Energy Commission plays a pivotal role by developing and mandating programs that use renewable energy, incentives for energy technology installation, renewable energy grants, and by ensuring the efforts benefit all Californians.

You are deflecting and off topic. Liberal policies HURT THE POOR admit it you sack of useless liberal talking points.

Here is the problem with people like you.

Why the hell do you blame the left when they have nothing to do with a dying energy?
Did the left miraculously create and produce natural gas?
Did the left miraculously designed and produce solar industries?

Natural gas and solar energy are the primary caused of the coal industry to collapse. Both are cleaner and atmosphere friendly compared to coal polluting the atmosphere.

You don’t know shit. You are a veteran here you should know better.