Don't like Obama, fine, but why the dishonesty?

[antagon]

3. There are three reasons people get rich. Inheritance, greed, and dishonesty. A non-greedy honest person will never get rich unless he/she hits the lottery or inherits.

but this intersects with one of my postulates on the topic:

an idiot cant recognize the path to wealth and will ascribe luck and evil characteristics to the circumstance in lieu.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[WillowTree]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

Sorry buddy, but your argument here basically boils down to "stop calling Obama names because i said so." If someone calls Obama a marxist, it's not technically a lie because it can't be totally disproven. You can't argue that some of the policies that Obama is in favor of don't have marxist principles to them, hence the "insult." I would agree that calling him a marxist or socialist is a litle disengenuous but the point stands.

"The messiah" is just a nick name for him derived from how arrogant he comes across sometimes, and once again, the perception that he's trying to grab as much control as possible. Yes, he's not an actual messiah, but if you're going to get your panties twisted about that, then you should probably just take a permanent leave of absence from politics. "Owebama" is another nickname derived from the incredible amount of deficit spending he's approved.

I don't see any right-wing "attacks" on Obama in the media that aren't rooted in a simple disagreement with policy. I also think that the word "attack" is used far too much. If someone says that Obama is going to destroy the nation with his policies, well, that's not an attack, it's an opinion. It's not even an attack if someone say he's purposely trying to destroy the nation with his policies. It's really only an attack if someone says that such policies, views, opinions, etc. make him an idiot, imbecile, etc.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

I know for a fact that every single conservative on this forum is popping some sweat because you don't think highly of us.. we really really really really give a shit what you think.. trust me!

 

[Dr Gregg]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

We call him a socialist because he seems to be inclined to redistribute wealth and take over private companies.

His elitist attitude garners him the messiah title by some.

"owebama" would seem to have its roots in his runaway spending.

Many of the things he advocates could lead to the economic ruin of hte nation. Using the term destruction fits that definition.

He is the leader of our country and as such the repsonsibility stops with him.

YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality. The avatar isn't helping you either.

Morons people can be, they don't even realize it. It's an avatar, you take anything of it other than being an avatar, you continue to look like the "YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality"

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"
3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says
4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"
5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise
6. They tend to support "abstinence only" education and that "kids are just not supposed to have sex" period, even though reality shows that is a huge failure and no amount of saying "no" is going to prevent every child from not having sex.

It can go on and on

 

[Dr Gregg]

Sorry buddy, but your argument here basically boils down to "stop calling Obama names because i said so." If someone calls Obama a marxist, it's not technically a lie because it can't be totally disproven. You can't argue that some of the policies that Obama is in favor of don't have marxist principles to them, hence the "insult." I would agree that calling him a marxist or socialist is a litle disengenuous but the point stands.

"The messiah" is just a nick name for him derived from how arrogant he comes across sometimes, and once again, the perception that he's trying to grab as much control as possible. Yes, he's not an actual messiah, but if you're going to get your panties twisted about that, then you should probably just take a permanent leave of absence from politics. "Owebama" is another nickname derived from the incredible amount of deficit spending he's approved.

I don't see any right-wing "attacks" on Obama in the media that aren't rooted in a simple disagreement with policy. I also think that the word "attack" is used far too much. If someone says that Obama is going to destroy the nation with his policies, well, that's not an attack, it's an opinion. It's not even an attack if someone say he's purposely trying to destroy the nation with his policies. It's really only an attack if someone says that such policies, views, opinions, etc. make him an idiot, imbecile, etc.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

I know for a fact that every single conservative on this forum is popping some sweat because you don't think highly of us.. we really really really really give a shit what you think.. trust me!

YOu fuckers don't give a shit about anything but your ideology, so not surprising

 

[Claudette]

The first time I heard this guy speak my bs meter went right through the roof. I wasn't taken in for one minute by that silver tongue. When I heard his remarks to Joe the plumber on spreading the wealth, well, that told me all I needed to know. There is no way in hell I would have ever voted for him.

He said he fundamentally wanted to change the face of America. Well. That bs doesnt' work for me either.

Many who voted for him thought he was talking about cleaning up the corruption in DC. Well, we all know that ain't happened. Nor is likely to. Its the same ol same old. He fooled an awfull lot of people. People who were sick of the Reps and Bush. He drew a lot of Iindependents, Dems and Reps. I wonder how they would all vote now that they have seen his agenda in action???

Nope. Barack Hussein Obama and his left wing ideas as POTUS does not work for me at all.

but you believe the bullshit spouted by any other politician?

You asked for my honest opinion of OL'BO. I gave you that.

What other politicians are you NOW talking about?????

 

[CrusaderFrank]

 

[Meister]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

Sorry buddy, but your argument here basically boils down to "stop calling Obama names because i said so." If someone calls Obama a marxist, it's not technically a lie because it can't be totally disproven. You can't argue that some of the policies that Obama is in favor of don't have marxist principles to them, hence the "insult." I would agree that calling him a marxist or socialist is a litle disengenuous but the point stands.

"The messiah" is just a nick name for him derived from how arrogant he comes across sometimes, and once again, the perception that he's trying to grab as much control as possible. Yes, he's not an actual messiah, but if you're going to get your panties twisted about that, then you should probably just take a permanent leave of absence from politics. "Owebama" is another nickname derived from the incredible amount of deficit spending he's approved.

I don't see any right-wing "attacks" on Obama in the media that aren't rooted in a simple disagreement with policy. I also think that the word "attack" is used far too much. If someone says that Obama is going to destroy the nation with his policies, well, that's not an attack, it's an opinion. It's not even an attack if someone say he's purposely trying to destroy the nation with his policies. It's really only an attack if someone says that such policies, views, opinions, etc. make him an idiot, imbecile, etc.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

I guess I'm not seeing what you are with his post, Gregg. I think it's a fair opinion to the OP.

 

[Some Guy]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

Sorry buddy, but your argument here basically boils down to "stop calling Obama names because i said so." If someone calls Obama a marxist, it's not technically a lie because it can't be totally disproven. You can't argue that some of the policies that Obama is in favor of don't have marxist principles to them, hence the "insult." I would agree that calling him a marxist or socialist is a litle disengenuous but the point stands.

"The messiah" is just a nick name for him derived from how arrogant he comes across sometimes, and once again, the perception that he's trying to grab as much control as possible. Yes, he's not an actual messiah, but if you're going to get your panties twisted about that, then you should probably just take a permanent leave of absence from politics. "Owebama" is another nickname derived from the incredible amount of deficit spending he's approved.

I don't see any right-wing "attacks" on Obama in the media that aren't rooted in a simple disagreement with policy. I also think that the word "attack" is used far too much. If someone says that Obama is going to destroy the nation with his policies, well, that's not an attack, it's an opinion. It's not even an attack if someone say he's purposely trying to destroy the nation with his policies. It's really only an attack if someone says that such policies, views, opinions, etc. make him an idiot, imbecile, etc.

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

True. You didn't say to stop, just suggested it. Nonetheless, your point about him being called names, being marxist, etc that i addressed; all are still valid.

But it's incredibly ironic how you tell people they look stupid when they do such things, then add in at the end "But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names." Hypocrisy in full effect right there.

 

[WillowTree]

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

I know for a fact that every single conservative on this forum is popping some sweat because you don't think highly of us.. we really really really really give a shit what you think.. trust me!

YOu fuckers don't give a shit about anything but your ideology, so not surprising

you want I should pass ya some cheeeeeeeeeeese?

 

[Meister]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

We call him a socialist because he seems to be inclined to redistribute wealth and take over private companies.

His elitist attitude garners him the messiah title by some.

"owebama" would seem to have its roots in his runaway spending.

Many of the things he advocates could lead to the economic ruin of hte nation. Using the term destruction fits that definition.

He is the leader of our country and as such the repsonsibility stops with him.

YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality. The avatar isn't helping you either.

Morons people can be, they don't even realize it. It's an avatar, you take anything of it other than being an avatar, you continue to look like the "YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality"

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"
3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says
4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"
5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise
6. They tend to support "abstinence only" education and that "kids are just not supposed to have sex" period, even though reality shows that is a huge failure and no amount of saying "no" is going to prevent every child from not having sex.

It can go on and on

Sounds to me like you wanted opinions, and when confronted with them, you went into a defensive mode, and lashed out. Your going to find that people are as passionate about their politics as you are, Gregg. Looking at some of your posts, I would say......

 

[WillowTree]

We call him a socialist because he seems to be inclined to redistribute wealth and take over private companies.

His elitist attitude garners him the messiah title by some.

"owebama" would seem to have its roots in his runaway spending.

Many of the things he advocates could lead to the economic ruin of hte nation. Using the term destruction fits that definition.

He is the leader of our country and as such the repsonsibility stops with him.

YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality. The avatar isn't helping you either.

Morons people can be, they don't even realize it. It's an avatar, you take anything of it other than being an avatar, you continue to look like the "YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality"

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"
3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says
4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"
5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise
6. They tend to support "abstinence only" education and that "kids are just not supposed to have sex" period, even though reality shows that is a huge failure and no amount of saying "no" is going to prevent every child from not having sex.

It can go on and on

Sounds to me like you wanted opinions, and when confronted with them, you went into a defensive mode, and lashed out. Your going to find that people are as passionate about their politics as you are, Gregg. Looking at some of your posts, I would say......

oh no no no dear Miester. go back and read he didn't want opinions, he wanted to hurl names and insults.. he just can't take what hymn dishes.. he a whining sniveling little DUmmie.

 

[Claudette]

dumb dumb dumb dumb dumb. MOre reading comprehension FAIL.

I'm saying you look like a complete idiot when you do such a thing, not that you should stop. But continue to go on looking like an ignorant, childish partisan hack with the names.

I know for a fact that every single conservative on this forum is popping some sweat because you don't think highly of us.. we really really really really give a shit what you think.. trust me!

YOu fuckers don't give a shit about anything but your ideology, so not surprising

What about your ideology??

You obviously don't like anyone who doesn't like OL'BO. You obviously think he's the greatest and you also seem to think his agenda is AOK and all us dumb taxpayers should be falling all over the guy. Just begging him show us the way.

Well. Just a word to the wise. Don't hold your breath because some of us can see the writing on the wall with this guy even if you can't

 

[saveliberty]

There are plenty things that people could find Obama not doing a good job in.So why do so many on this forum and other places have to lie, exaggerate, and make shit up about Obama? Why call him socialist, marxist, the "messiah", "owebama", claim he isn't a US citizen, claims he want to destroy america? or claim things done by other people is really Obama's doing, and anything that goes on in the gov't or military is under Obama's direction?

YOu totally discredit any point you may have when you resort to such Glenn Beck/Rush type absurd attacks and arguments. You just look like some stupid, childish, partisan hack nutjob when you do so.

We call him a socialist because he seems to be inclined to redistribute wealth and take over private companies.

His elitist attitude garners him the messiah title by some.

"owebama" would seem to have its roots in his runaway spending.

Many of the things he advocates could lead to the economic ruin of hte nation. Using the term destruction fits that definition.

He is the leader of our country and as such the repsonsibility stops with him.

YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality. The avatar isn't helping you either.

Morons people can be, they don't even realize it. It's an avatar, you take anything of it other than being an avatar, you continue to look like the "YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality"

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"
3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says
4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"
5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise
6. They tend to support "abstinence only" education and that "kids are just not supposed to have sex" period, even though reality shows that is a huge failure and no amount of saying "no" is going to prevent every child from not having sex.

It can go on and on

Apparently you can't go on and on about the topic you started however. You made specific references and they were addressed. No valid response from you? Your reality was challenged and you failed to defend it.

 

[Meister]

Morons people can be, they don't even realize it. It's an avatar, you take anything of it other than being an avatar, you continue to look like the "YOU look like a nutjob, childish, partisan hack when you fail to acknowledge this reality"

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"
3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says
4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"
5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise
6. They tend to support "abstinence only" education and that "kids are just not supposed to have sex" period, even though reality shows that is a huge failure and no amount of saying "no" is going to prevent every child from not having sex.

It can go on and on

Sounds to me like you wanted opinions, and when confronted with them, you went into a defensive mode, and lashed out. Your going to find that people are as passionate about their politics as you are, Gregg. Looking at some of your posts, I would say......

oh no no no dear Miester. go back and read he didn't want opinions, he wanted to hurl names and insults.. he just can't take what hymn dishes.. he a whining sniveling little DUmmie.

Gregg certainly didn't come off looking good on this thread, I would agree.

 

[Some Guy]

funny, its republicans that tend to fail to acknowledge reality. examples
1. Evolution and ID nonsense
2. Tend to be very religious, no "reality there"

You know that evolution isn't a proven fact either, right? It's a theory, a very strong one at that. However, one scientific principle defies evolution, and that is that life cannot be created from un-life. So, how did life, in whatever form, first come to be? Pretty strong argument for a higher power of some sort, in my opinion.

3. Deny global warming regardless of what hte science says

...or rather deny the assertion that (man made) global warming is a fact because someone says so. Like evolution, Global Warming will always be a theory and thus will always have detractors on both sides. There's plenty of science to dis-credit the idea of man-made global warming just as there's science to support it.

4. Want to ban stem cell research and abortion to protect a ball of cells and claiming its "a poor little defenseless child"

Dude, the heart and lungs of a fetus start functioning before the first tri-mester is complete (i think, not exactly sure but should know since my fiance is a nurse). If a heartbeat doesn't qualify as "living thing" then i'm not sure what does. Obviously there's an argument to be had there about what qualifies something to be alive. Nonetheless, just because your definition of "poor defenseless child" is different than someone else's doesn't make it true.

5. Tend to believe no government involvement and regulation, industry would act morally and responsible.. history shows otherwise

Way to clump everyone together and take it to the extreme by saying "no" government involvement. You'd probably be hard pressed to find anyone who supports the idea of absolutely no government involvement through regulation in most any industry. Everyone who knows anything about economics knows that unregulated free markets lead to monopolies, and i don't know of anyone who supports the idea of monopolies.

I hope you see what you're doing here. You're basically taking what you think, albeit unsupported by definitive fact, and presenting it as facts... exactly the sort of thing you called out in your OP. I hope you feel righteous about that.

 

[tigerbob]

Sounds to me like you wanted opinions, and when confronted with them, you went into a defensive mode, and lashed out. Your going to find that people are as passionate about their politics as you are, Gregg. Looking at some of your posts, I would say......

oh no no no dear Miester. go back and read he didn't want opinions, he wanted to hurl names and insults.. he just can't take what hymn dishes.. he a whining sniveling little DUmmie.

Gregg certainly didn't come off looking good on this thread, I would agree.

It was doomed from the start.

 

[Claudette]

oh no no no dear Miester. go back and read he didn't want opinions, he wanted to hurl names and insults.. he just can't take what hymn dishes.. he a whining sniveling little DUmmie.

Gregg certainly didn't come off looking good on this thread, I would agree.

It was doomed from the start.

Boy Howdy on that. Jeeze.

 

[tigerbob]

Gregg certainly didn't come off looking good on this thread, I would agree.

It was doomed from the start.

Boy Howdy on that. Jeeze.

"Boy Howdy"?

 

[WillowTree]

It was doomed from the start.

Boy Howdy on that. Jeeze.

"Boy Howdy"?