Don’t let the right tell you gun control does not work because it does.

Lol your own source defines “gun free zones” in part as fucking businesses who say they don’t allow them. Meaning, there is no legal consequences for carrying the gun there. Here is the statistic that would matter: how many mass shootings take place in areas where it is illegal to have a gun? I’m sure that would seriously reduce the numbers. Hell, it doesn’t count for shit anyway. Concealed gun owners do whatever the fuck they want. You think they care about “gun free zones”? Those 2nd amendment enthusiasts? No way.
I 'm a CCW permit holder. I frequently go to the VA Hospital in Tampa - a gun free zone. It gets very hot here, and people wear shorts & T-shirts. A concealed gun would easily "print' through their clothing.

Hundreds of veterans are Concealed gun owners. They don't bring their guns to the hospital. You don't know what you're talking about. You're just babbling, and showing off that you have no case. None.
 
Lol trust me dude I did notice how pretty much all of these relate to an intruder in someone’s home. How stupid are you? Why would anyone claim that guns aren’t effective in home intrusions. Two of these was goddamn robberies. Obviously I said mass shootings. Your first paragraph is so goddamn dubious too. Thousands of people? lol that is absolute bullshit.

If you want to make an intelligent argument about this perhaps you can explain how the good guy with a gun narrative does not apply to 99% of all mass shootings. We have had over 200 mass shootings this year alone. None of them involved a guy with a gun stopping them.
It doesn't become a mass shooting if they are effectively engaged by an armed defender before the death toll reaches at least 4 dead.

That's the whole point of having people able to defend themselves.

Officers entered and engaged with the shooter at Robb elementary within 3 minutes of his entering the building by which time he'd already killed or wounded 20 or more of the victims.

You have seconds to engage a potential mass shooter once he enters the building, not minutes tens of minutes or hours to prevent a mass shooting.
 
How exactly do MAYORS have control over violence in their cities? Go ahead. I’ll wait.
By being in control over the police , you idiot. How do you think traffic blocking occurs without the blockers being arrested ?
 

Don’t let the left tell you eliminating GUN FREE ZONES does not work, because it does.​

 
From that, what we know is that the leftwing media has got you programmed to the hilt. If it were not for the good guys with a gun, thousands of people would have been massacred at 1) LAX (2002) by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, 2) Alton Nolen in Moore, OK, 3) Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi in Garland, TX.

4) In 2007, former cop and volunteer security worker, Jeanne Assam, saved the day at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass that day as the shooter opened fire. However, Assam ran toward the line of fire, killing the shooter and saving countless lives.​


5) A knife-wielding intruder was attempting to enter Sarah McKinley's mobile home shortly after her husband died of lung cancer in 2012. After breaking in, McKinley fired, killing one suspect and scaring the other intruder off.​


6) A 71-year-old man saved the lives of many at an internet cafe in Florida in 2012. When robbers entered the cafe with weapons, Samuel Williams pulled out his gun and scared off the suspects.​


7)A 69-year-old grandmother protected herself and her home in Alabama in 2010. After hearing a burglar break into her house, Ethel Jones fired three shots, wounding and scaring off the intruder, who was later arrested by police.​


8) In 2012, a 14-year-old boy saved himself and his younger siblings after an armed intruder entered their home. After breaking into the home and pointing a gun at the 14, 12, and 8-year-olds, the 14-year-old fired, placing the intruder in the hospital and saving his family.​


9) A pregnant mother of two saved herself and her children after two intruders entered her home in Ashtabula, Ohio. After refusing to let the two intruders in, they broke down her back door. As they proceeded up her stairs, the shot at them, hitting one intruder and scaring them both off until police arrived.​


10) A would-be robber was shot in 2006 by an employee at Media Madhouse in Indiana. After the suspect entered the building holding a gun on an employee and demanding money, a second employee jumped into action and shot the suspect, saving both employees and customers.​


11) 72-year-old Jan Cooper saved her life and the life of her 85-year-old World War II veteran husband, who is confined to a wheelchair. In 2013, a man was breaking into the Cooper's Southern California home, when the grandmother fired one shot from her .357 Magnum Smith and Wesson revolver, which scared the burglar off.​



12) In 2013, a shooter opened fire at Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia. However, after wounding only one student, the suspect was disarmed by an armed guard who was stationed at the school.


And when the good guys with guns were NOT there ? Here's what happened >>

1. Sandy Hook

2. Parkland massacre

3. Uvalde massacre

4. Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting

5. Pulse Club

6. Columbine massacre

7. San Bernardino massacre



All GUN FREE ZONES -no good guys present.
Almost 500 pages of such stories at the NRA-ILA "Armed Citizen" site.


And this is but a small fraction of all such stories nationally.
 
From that, what we know is that the leftwing media has got you programmed to the hilt. If it were not for the good guys with a gun, thousands of people would have been massacred at 1) LAX (2002) by Hesham Mohamed Hadayet, 2) Alton Nolen in Moore, OK, 3) Elton Simpson and Nadir Soofi in Garland, TX.

4) In 2007, former cop and volunteer security worker, Jeanne Assam, saved the day at New Life Church in Colorado Springs, Colorado. Thousands of people were exiting from Sunday mass that day as the shooter opened fire. However, Assam ran toward the line of fire, killing the shooter and saving countless lives.​


5) A knife-wielding intruder was attempting to enter Sarah McKinley's mobile home shortly after her husband died of lung cancer in 2012. After breaking in, McKinley fired, killing one suspect and scaring the other intruder off.​


6) A 71-year-old man saved the lives of many at an internet cafe in Florida in 2012. When robbers entered the cafe with weapons, Samuel Williams pulled out his gun and scared off the suspects.​


7)A 69-year-old grandmother protected herself and her home in Alabama in 2010. After hearing a burglar break into her house, Ethel Jones fired three shots, wounding and scaring off the intruder, who was later arrested by police.​


8) In 2012, a 14-year-old boy saved himself and his younger siblings after an armed intruder entered their home. After breaking into the home and pointing a gun at the 14, 12, and 8-year-olds, the 14-year-old fired, placing the intruder in the hospital and saving his family.​


9) A pregnant mother of two saved herself and her children after two intruders entered her home in Ashtabula, Ohio. After refusing to let the two intruders in, they broke down her back door. As they proceeded up her stairs, the shot at them, hitting one intruder and scaring them both off until police arrived.​


10) A would-be robber was shot in 2006 by an employee at Media Madhouse in Indiana. After the suspect entered the building holding a gun on an employee and demanding money, a second employee jumped into action and shot the suspect, saving both employees and customers.​


11) 72-year-old Jan Cooper saved her life and the life of her 85-year-old World War II veteran husband, who is confined to a wheelchair. In 2013, a man was breaking into the Cooper's Southern California home, when the grandmother fired one shot from her .357 Magnum Smith and Wesson revolver, which scared the burglar off.​



12) In 2013, a shooter opened fire at Prince Middle School in Atlanta, Georgia. However, after wounding only one student, the suspect was disarmed by an armed guard who was stationed at the school.


And when the good guys with guns were NOT there ? Here's what happened >>

1. Sandy Hook

2. Parkland massacre

3. Uvalde massacre

4. Aurora, Colorado movie theater shooting

5. Pulse Club

6. Columbine massacre

7. San Bernardino massacre



All GUN FREE ZONES -no good guys present.
You should include Columbine in that list. They waited until the SRO was off campus to begin their rampage.
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

Gun control works for genocidal tyrants and governments
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

years firearm homicide has decreased all over the nation.

Sine 1993 gun homicide rates are down nationwide not just in California.


 
Sine 1993 gun homicide rates are down nationwide not just in California.


And CA's drop in violent crimes does not out pace that of the rest of the nation for the last 20 years.

What did work was aggressive prosecution of offenders but of course the democrats want us to turn them out to let them offend again under the guise of "Criminal Justice Reform".
 
Well, it's pretty obvious from these replies, gun control isn't going to work. :p
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.




:doubt:

 
Crime all over the country has gone up during the pandemic. In any other years, their gun violence rate has gone down.
Kalifornia is #1 in strict gun control laws and has the second most gun deaths.:cuckoo:
 
California is a shining example of success for curbing gun violence with gun control legislation. It doesn’t come from one specific policy - but a combination of several.

“For the last 20, maybe even 25 years — except for the two years of the pandemic, which have increased homicides and suicides across the country — our rates of firearm violence have trended downward,” said Wintemute, who directs the Violence Prevention Research Program at the University of California, Davis, Medical Center in Sacramento. “And this has been at a time when most of the rates in the rest of the country have gone up.”

California’s rate of firearm mortality is among the nation’s lowest, with 8.5 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020, compared with 13.7 per 100,000 nationally and 14.2 per 100,000 in Texas, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has reported. And Californians are about 25% less likely to die in mass shootings, compared with residents of other states, according to a recent Public Policy Institute of California analysis.

….California has done a lot to prevent high-risk people from purchasing firearms. We’ve broadened the criteria for keeping guns out of the hands of people who pose a danger to themselves or others due to mental illness. If you’re convicted of a violent misdemeanor in California, you can’t have a gun for the next 10 years; that offense has to be a felony in most states….

….We require background checks, and not just from licensed retailers; in most states, purchases from private parties require no background checks or record keeping of any kind. We have a system, that we’re evaluating now, for getting guns back from “prohibited persons” — people who have been convicted of violent crimes or who are facing domestic violence restraining orders. And we enforce these policies, unlike a lot of other states.

And the hysterical responses show why gun "control" will never work in the US. And I don't think ten gopers will support comprehensive (excluding in the family transfers) back ground checks. There are enough AR-15s in the US to equip the army, marines, af and national guards ... so forget about doing what Australia and NZ did
 

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