Don't Forget, April is Confederate History and Heritage Month

[Mr Natural]

The South.

The only people to fight a war to prove they were better than the slaves and lose.

 

[TheOldSchool]

 

[WinterBorn]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Well then your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. No one says that blacks are 3/5 human. That is contemporary revisionist history.

Back when they were trying to get the constitution ratified, the southern states wanted their slaves counted in their population in order to have more influence in congress. But slaves couldn't vote so the framers refused. The compromise that was hammered out in order to keep the union from falling apart was to count the 3/5ths of the slaves population as citizens of those states. Nothing was ever stated about them being only 3/5 human. That is nonsense.

Indeed it is nonsense. Which is why I have never said it. I only mocked the person who did say it. Steve McGarrett has said that blacks are only 3/5 human. I corrected him then and I am mocking him now.

 

[WinterBorn]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Oh I get it. You're arguing against a straw man. Well, you knocked the invisible straw man down. Now what?

No, I am mocking ignorance. Now that the ignorance is mocked? Hopefully no one thinks blacks are 3/5 of a human in the eyes of our gov't, and knows that they never were.

How could anyone make such an error? Who made such a claim?

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons"

Steve McGarrett made that exact claim in the thread about USMB becoming a mirror site for the Klan (and it was not the first time he made this claim). I am reminding him of his stupidity by mocking him.

 

[PredFan]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Well then your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. No one says that blacks are 3/5 human. That is contemporary revisionist history.

Back when they were trying to get the constitution ratified, the southern states wanted their slaves counted in their population in order to have more influence in congress. But slaves couldn't vote so the framers refused. The compromise that was hammered out in order to keep the union from falling apart was to count the 3/5ths of the slaves population as citizens of those states. Nothing was ever stated about them being only 3/5 human. That is nonsense.

Indeed it is nonsense. Which is why I have never said it. I only mocked the person who did say it. Steve McGarrett has said that blacks are only 3/5 human. I corrected him then and I am mocking him now.

You said: "I'm glad the South lost the war. Otherwise everyone would be so ignorant as to think that blacks were only 3/5 human."

 

[Statistikhengst]

 

[Publius1787]

The South.

The only people to fight a war to prove they were better than the slaves and lose.

You think that Sothern's were fighting a war to prove they were better than slaves? It's almost as ridiculous of an argument that Southerners enlisted to protect slavery. That and the post war Supreme Court would have ruled the Emancipation Proclamation unconstitutional.

 

[WinterBorn]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Well then your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. No one says that blacks are 3/5 human. That is contemporary revisionist history.

Back when they were trying to get the constitution ratified, the southern states wanted their slaves counted in their population in order to have more influence in congress. But slaves couldn't vote so the framers refused. The compromise that was hammered out in order to keep the union from falling apart was to count the 3/5ths of the slaves population as citizens of those states. Nothing was ever stated about them being only 3/5 human. That is nonsense.

Indeed it is nonsense. Which is why I have never said it. I only mocked the person who did say it. Steve McGarrett has said that blacks are only 3/5 human. I corrected him then and I am mocking him now.

You said: "I'm glad the South lost the war. Otherwise everyone would be so ignorant as to think that blacks were only 3/5 human."

Yes I did.

I am glad the south lost the war. And otherwise (if they had won) people would be so ignorant as to believe..yada yada yada.

But the south did not win, and most people are not so ignorant as to believe blacks are only 3/5 of a person.

 

[Publius1787]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Had the South won, how much longer do you believe slavery would have endured ?

A tough question to answer. The only reason Republicans freed the slaves were so they could pick up congressional seats in the post war South.

 

[Publius1787]

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Well then your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. No one says that blacks are 3/5 human. That is contemporary revisionist history.

Back when they were trying to get the constitution ratified, the southern states wanted their slaves counted in their population in order to have more influence in congress. But slaves couldn't vote so the framers refused. The compromise that was hammered out in order to keep the union from falling apart was to count the 3/5ths of the slaves population as citizens of those states. Nothing was ever stated about them being only 3/5 human. That is nonsense.

Indeed it is nonsense. Which is why I have never said it. I only mocked the person who did say it. Steve McGarrett has said that blacks are only 3/5 human. I corrected him then and I am mocking him now.

You said: "I'm glad the South lost the war. Otherwise everyone would be so ignorant as to think that blacks were only 3/5 human."

Yes I did.

I am glad the south lost the war. And otherwise (if they had won) people would be so ignorant as to believe..yada yada yada.

But the south did not win, and most people are not so ignorant as to believe blacks are only 3/5 of a person.

The question is who is so ignorant as to believe blacks were 3/5th of a person? Or, who believed blacks were 3/5th of a person? Who exactly are you arguing against? You think if the South had won the war people would have thought that blacks were 3/5ths of a person? What evidence do you have?

 

[Publius1787]

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Oh I get it. You're arguing against a straw man. Well, you knocked the invisible straw man down. Now what?

No, I am mocking ignorance. Now that the ignorance is mocked? Hopefully no one thinks blacks are 3/5 of a human in the eyes of our gov't, and knows that they never were.

How could anyone make such an error? Who made such a claim?

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons"

Steve McGarrett made that exact claim in the thread about USMB becoming a mirror site for the Klan (and it was not the first time he made this claim). I am reminding him of his stupidity by mocking him.

So you were trolling?

 

[PredFan]

Another idiot who thinks the U.S. Constitution made Blacks 3/5th a human. Trust me, the Southern States at the Constitutional Convention wanted slaves to be counted at 100% a human. It was the Northern states that wanted them to count them less. And You had better damn well be happy that they did. The 3/5th clause was for the purposes of Representation in the House of Representatives. You would have the South count a slave a 100% for such representation? Congrats, that would have vastly increased the Southern Representation in Congress and prolonged slavery for God knows how many years. You may be proud to be an American citizen but your understanding of American history needs some work.

Umm....my understanding of American history is fine. I was not saying that blacks are 3/5 of a human. Steve McGarrett is the one who made that claim. I said "...everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human". And by so doing I was calling those who believe that ignorant.

And while we are discussing the topic, you might also be aware that the 3/5 was not about blacks, but about slaves. Free blacks counted as a whole person.

So don't bother correcting me, since I am actually speaking the truth. Concentrate on the racist morons who try and claim that blacks are only 3/5 human.

Well then your knowledge of history is sorely lacking. No one says that blacks are 3/5 human. That is contemporary revisionist history.

Back when they were trying to get the constitution ratified, the southern states wanted their slaves counted in their population in order to have more influence in congress. But slaves couldn't vote so the framers refused. The compromise that was hammered out in order to keep the union from falling apart was to count the 3/5ths of the slaves population as citizens of those states. Nothing was ever stated about them being only 3/5 human. That is nonsense.

Indeed it is nonsense. Which is why I have never said it. I only mocked the person who did say it. Steve McGarrett has said that blacks are only 3/5 human. I corrected him then and I am mocking him now.

You said: "I'm glad the South lost the war. Otherwise everyone would be so ignorant as to think that blacks were only 3/5 human."

Yes I did.

I am glad the south lost the war. And otherwise (if they had won) people would be so ignorant as to believe..yada yada yada.

But the south did not win, and most people are not so ignorant as to believe blacks are only 3/5 of a person.

But they didn't believe that before the war, so your whole point breaks down unless you actually believe they did.

 

[Katzndogz]

The the designation of 3/5ths of a person was used only for purposes of reapportionment there would be no need for such had the south won the war. It would have been two separate countries making reapportionment unnecessary.

 

[Syriusly]

Just a friendly reminder from a proud christian southern conservative watching the Confederate Battle Flag wave in the breeze in my front yard. The patriotic feeling is overwhelming.

Confederate Memorial Day in the South

So you must be cheering on Democrats this month right- because the Democratic Party is the Party of the Confederacy....

Indeed, at the time they were the party of individual liberty, states rights, private property, and etc. In short, they were the anti-progressives born of the Party of Jefferson. This changed in the early 20th century when the two parties flipped (Republicans invented progressivism.) You still want to make that claim?

LOL- no- I just love it when some Conservatives want to claim that the modern Democratic Party is the same as the party that seceded from the Union in order to protect their private property rights- i.e. the right to own slaves.

The Democratic Party of 1860 was a Conservative party, just as the modern Republican Party is a Conservative Party.

 

[Syriusly]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Had the South won, how much longer do you believe slavery would have endured ?

A tough question to answer. The only reason Republicans freed the slaves were so they could pick up congressional seats in the post war South.

LOL....yeah....or more correctly- in order to win the war. Remember, even though Lincoln was not an abolitionist, a large segment of his party did consist of abolitionists. The North did not fight the Civil War to free the slaves, but once the war was started, it was inevitable that the United States would abolish slavery.

 

[Publius1787]

Just a friendly reminder from a proud christian southern conservative watching the Confederate Battle Flag wave in the breeze in my front yard. The patriotic feeling is overwhelming.

Confederate Memorial Day in the South

So you must be cheering on Democrats this month right- because the Democratic Party is the Party of the Confederacy....

Indeed, at the time they were the party of individual liberty, states rights, private property, and etc. In short, they were the anti-progressives born of the Party of Jefferson. This changed in the early 20th century when the two parties flipped (Republicans invented progressivism.) You still want to make that claim?

LOL- no- I just love it when some Conservatives want to claim that the modern Democratic Party is the same as the party that seceded from the Union in order to protect their private property rights- i.e. the right to own slaves.

The Democratic Party of 1860 was a Conservative party, just as the modern Republican Party is a Conservative Party.

That's what I said. Was it not?

 

[Publius1787]

I am a lifelong southerner as well. And I am proud to be an American citizen. I am proud to have served to protect our nation. Which is why I am glad the south lost the war.

Otherwise, everyone would be so ignorant as to think all blacks were only 3/5 human.

Had the South won, how much longer do you believe slavery would have endured ?

A tough question to answer. The only reason Republicans freed the slaves were so they could pick up congressional seats in the post war South.

LOL....yeah....or more correctly- in order to win the war. Remember, even though Lincoln was not an abolitionist, a large segment of his party did consist of abolitionists. The North did not fight the Civil War to free the slaves, but once the war was started, it was inevitable that the United States would abolish slavery.

I would argue that the abolition of Slavery was inevitable with or without the war. The rest is just a question of timing.

 

[BullKurtz]

Had the South won, how much longer do you believe slavery would have endured ?

Not long....cotton picking was becoming mechanized after the cotton gin was invented...at some point slaves would have had nothing to do.

 

[bodecea]

Just a friendly reminder from a proud christian southern conservative watching the Confederate Battle Flag wave in the breeze in my front yard. The patriotic feeling is overwhelming.

Confederate Memorial Day in the South

No wonder all these bad things happen in April.....Karma.

 

[bodecea]

Had the South won, how much longer do you believe slavery would have endured ?

Not long....cotton picking was becoming mechanized after the cotton gin was invented...at some point slaves would have had nothing to do.

Wrong...the South wasn't bothering to mechanize (which the North already had) BECAUSE they had slaves. Slaves and slavery was a crutch to them and they became quite lazy.