Donald Trump just savaged an(other) American hero

[rightwinger]

I also stipulated in the post did not see combat retard. And do a little research to answer your moronic question.

I did
I saw about a dozen lost during Vietnam

Convair F-102 Delta Dagger - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Summary of (14) USAF F-102 Delta Daggers lost in the Vietnam War 1964–1969

Date	F-102 model	Unit	Cause of loss/remarks
27 November 1964	F-102A	509th Fighter-Interceptor Squadron (FIS)	Engine failure.[31]
1 July 1965	F-102A	509th FIS (3)	(3) F-102As destroyed on the ground by enemy sappers at Da Nang Air Base.[32]
15 December 1965	F-102A	509th FIS	Downed by ground fire while providing close air support (CAS).[33]
19 August 1966	F-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, crashed during night landing.[34]
14 December 1966	F-102A	64th FIS	Downed by small arms fire within 60 seconds after takeoff.[35]
15 January 1967	TF-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, ferry mission.[36]
2 April 1967	F-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, engine failure. Also served with 16th & 64th FIS.[37]
12 May 1967	F-102A	509th FIS	Destroyed during enemy ground attack; mortar fire at Biên Hòa Air Base.[38]
3 February 1968	F-102A	509th FIS	Downed by MiG-21 K-13 (missile) at 36,000 feet (11,000 m).[39]
16 July 1968	F-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, engine failure.[40]
16 September 1968	F-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, ground collision after landing with an RF-4 Phantom II.[41]
7 January 1969	F-102A	509th FIS	Operational loss, engine failure.[42]

How many F-4s were lost ?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

I did
I saw about a dozen lost during Vietnam

How many F-4s were lost ?

They were the MOST Dangerous to fly stupid even the airforce admitted it. Has mothing to do with combat.

 

[rightwinger]

They were the MOST Dangerous to fly stupid even the airforce admitted it. Has mothing to do with combat.

You keep saying that
If they were so dangerous, how many were lost in Bush ‘s squadron? none

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You keep saying that
If they were so dangerous, how many were lost in Bush ‘s squadron? none

Do some fucking research idiot.

 

[rightwinger]

Do some fucking research idiot.

Just did

But I guess your….I know a guy
Carries more weight than actual fatalities

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Such accidents were commonplace even under peacetime conditions given the inherent risk to a pilot's life during any flight aboard a high-performance military jet. ANG members of the period who we've been able to locate indicate that only highly qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left little room for mistakes. According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

This poor safety record may have been due in part to a deadly flaw in the aircraft's design that caused an engine stall and loss of control under a certain combination of angle of attack and airspeed frequently encountered during takeoff. According to a former F-102 pilot we've interviewed, this problem caused the plane to roll inverted and resulted in several fatal crashes. Numerous accidents were also encountered during landing because of the plane's steep angle of attack and high airspeed that reduced the pilot's visibility and reaction time. These factors have traditionally been two of the primary disadvantages of delta wing aircraft and explain why the pure delta wing design was later abandoned. Today's delta wing aircraft are typically equipped with leading edge extensions or canards and fly-by-wire control systems that improve safety and performance. Luckily, F-102 operators overcame these deficiencies thanks to good pilot training and control lockouts that prevented the plane from reaching extreme conditions, and the F-102 went on to become one of the safer fighters of its day.

Regardless, the F-102 was still far more dangerous to fly than today's combat aircraft. Compared to the F-102's lifetime accident rate of 13.69, today's planes generally average around 4 mishaps per 100,000 hours. For example, compare the F-16 at 4.14, the F-15 at 2.47, the F-117 at 4.07, the S-3 at 2.6, and the F-18 at 4.9. Even the Marine Corps' AV-8B, regarded as the most dangerous aircraft in US service today, has a lifetime accident rate of only 11.44 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush's tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - F-102 in Vietnam

 

[rightwinger]

Such accidents were commonplace even under peacetime conditions given the inherent risk to a pilot's life during any flight aboard a high-performance military jet. ANG members of the period who we've been able to locate indicate that only highly qualified pilot candidates were accepted for Delta Dagger training because it was such a challenging aircraft to fly and left little room for mistakes. According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

This poor safety record may have been due in part to a deadly flaw in the aircraft's design that caused an engine stall and loss of control under a certain combination of angle of attack and airspeed frequently encountered during takeoff. According to a former F-102 pilot we've interviewed, this problem caused the plane to roll inverted and resulted in several fatal crashes. Numerous accidents were also encountered during landing because of the plane's steep angle of attack and high airspeed that reduced the pilot's visibility and reaction time. These factors have traditionally been two of the primary disadvantages of delta wing aircraft and explain why the pure delta wing design was later abandoned. Today's delta wing aircraft are typically equipped with leading edge extensions or canards and fly-by-wire control systems that improve safety and performance. Luckily, F-102 operators overcame these deficiencies thanks to good pilot training and control lockouts that prevented the plane from reaching extreme conditions, and the F-102 went on to become one of the safer fighters of its day.

Regardless, the F-102 was still far more dangerous to fly than today's combat aircraft. Compared to the F-102's lifetime accident rate of 13.69, today's planes generally average around 4 mishaps per 100,000 hours. For example, compare the F-16 at 4.14, the F-15 at 2.47, the F-117 at 4.07, the S-3 at 2.6, and the F-18 at 4.9. Even the Marine Corps' AV-8B, regarded as the most dangerous aircraft in US service today, has a lifetime accident rate of only 11.44 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours. The F-102 claimed the lives of many pilots, including a number stationed at Ellington during Bush's tenure. Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.

Aerospaceweb.org | Ask Us - F-102 in Vietnam

Your link says nothing about the F-102 being the most dangerous jet ever flown

What it does say is……According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

Like most jets in the 1950s, the F 102 had a lot of crashes early on. By 1970 when Bush was certified on the airframe, those bugs had been worked out

15 total were lost in Vietnam, 6 due to engine failure
Not a high rate of loss and none in Bush’s squadron

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Your link says nothing about the F-102 being the most dangerous jet ever flown

What it does say is……According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

Like most jets in the 1950s, the F 102 had a lot of crashes early on. By 1970 when Bush was certified on the airframe, those bugs had been worked out

15 total were lost in Vietnam, 6 due to engine failure
Not a high rate of loss and none in Bush’s squadron

You retard it clearly states the loss rate is highest over 13 per 100000 flight hours higher then any other aircraft. Further it states that pilots at Bush's squadron while he was there were lost to accidents.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Of the 875 F-102A production models that entered service, 259 were lost in accidents that killed 70 Air Force and ANG pilots.

Dumb ass.

 

[Hellokitty]

Digging up McCain reeks of desperation.

 

[Lesh]

what's all this about?

McCain flew an A-4 Skyhawk.

 

[Correll]

I have more respect for a man who served his country honorably than a coward who ran and hid when his country called and then has the nerve to attack others military service.

Says the man that voted for Bill Clinton twice.

 

[Correll]

McCain was right
He called Trump supporters crazies

Crazy enough to attack the Capitol

I think that those that broke the law on 1/6 should be held accountable.

I also think those that rioted over the previous 4 years, to protest various lefty causes, should be held to the same standard.


YOu are the one playing double standards.

 

[Correll]

You keep saying that
If they were so dangerous, how many were lost in Bush ‘s squadron? none

My god, what a moron you are.

 

[Correll]

Just did

But I guess your….I know a guy
Carries more weight than actual fatalities

What a fucking dumbass you are.

 

[rightwinger]

I think that those that broke the law on 1/6 should be held accountable.

I also think those that rioted over the previous 4 years, to protest various lefty causes, should be held to the same standard.


YOu are the one playing double standards.

More BLM rioters were arrested and prosecuted

 

[Lesh]

Says the man that voted for Bill Clinton twice.

As if that's a bad thing

 

[rightwinger]

My god, what a moron you are.

Prove me wrong Skippy

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Prove me wrong Skippy

I already did.

 

[Correll]

Your link says nothing about the F-102 being the most dangerous jet ever flown

What it does say is……According to the Air Force Safety Center, the lifetime Class A accident rate for the F-102 was 13.69 mishaps per 100,000 flight hours, and the rate was especially high during the early years of the plane's service.

Like most jets in the 1950s, the F 102 had a lot of crashes early on. By 1970 when Bush was certified on the airframe, those bugs had been worked out

15 total were lost in Vietnam, 6 due to engine failure
Not a high rate of loss and none in Bush’s squadron