Don McGahn to defy congressional subpoena

[Fueri]

To one of us commoners? we'd probably be arrested.

for those walking the halls of power, they blow their noses with these.

See Eric Holder. Criminal and Civil Contempt. Penalty: Zippo. Any my, oh my, how the White House and many dems howled at their audacity to do such a thing....

 

[MarathonMike]

He should ignore it , or at a least, go and then deny to give testimony. Remember, he was counsel for 'Office of the Presidency'. That is different than POTUS personal attorney.

-Geaux

So, you too believe the POTUS and his underlings are all above the law. What else is someone to conclude?

If you and others are listening to ranking member Rep. Collins, who is making an opening statement, he is clearly defending the POTUS and blaming the Democrats.

Subpoenas will be issued and we will see a Constitutional Crisis, all because the right wing has control of the Republican Party, which has now crossed the line and kept and iron curtain protecting Trump from the truth.

Democrats ignoring the job they were elected to do and launching a blizzard of subpoenas is abuse of power and abuse of our laws. It isn't about the President being above the law it is about Democrats abusing the law. They need to get back to work for the people that elected them, and stop this obsessive fight for power they lost through their own incompetence.

 

[Geaux4it]

Should you have ignored and defied a subpoena, what do you think might happen to you?

or deleted 30,000 emails?

-Geaux

That is not the question. What do you think (if you ever do) would happen to you if you ignored and defied a subpoena.

McGahn has not yet received the subpoena, it seems one will be issued today. If he does, a warrant may be issued for his arrest, and the Bar Association may revoke his bar card, and rightly so.

I think he should go then say nothing. Put the failure to appear to bed.

-Geaux

Contempt of Congress is in Mr. McGhan's future, see:

How is a contempt finding enforced?

Explainer: How powerful are Congress subpoenas, contempt citations? - Reuters

The Supreme Court said in 1821 that Congress has “inherent authority” to arrest and detain recalcitrant witnesses.

In 1927, the high court said the Senate acted lawfully in sending its deputy sergeant-at-arms to Ohio to arrest and detain the brother of the then-attorney general, who had refused to testify about a bribery scheme known as the Teapot Dome scandal.

Wow.. then he and Lois Lerner could be roomies... Oh wait....

-Geaux

 

[blackhawk]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

 

[blackhawk]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

Let's have an investigation. Appoint a special prosecutor to investigate. Appoint Robert Mueller he would be good for the task.

Oh wait. We did that. Now we need a do over.

 

[blackhawk]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

Fact all of this was investigated for two years give or take not Trump or any member of his campaign was was charged, indicted or convicted of collusion or obstruction which was supposed to be the main purpose for the investigation. You don’t get a mulligan just because the investigation didn’t give you the outcome you wanted. If you are truly concerned about Russian cyber attacks during the election maybe you should be focused on the administration that was in charge at the time and why this seemingly went on right under their nose without them having a clue. If they did know why didn’t they take stronger steps to stop it.

 

[Wry Catcher]

Trump should just announce he is finished indulging them in their witch hunt. If they think they can succeed with an impeachment, go ahead but they do so at their own political peril. Personally, I hope they try.

It's clear to many that Trump has committed many impeachable acts; obstructing the Mueller Investigation is obvious. What is also obvious is the Senate has a majority of sheep, who bleat patriotism but put their party and their job first, second, third, and the elite and special interests before the rule of law, the Constitution, and our County

Speaker Pelosi isn't a great orator, but as Speaker she is great, powerful, smart, strategic and patient. She has explained ad nausea her strategy, allowed the committees of jurisdiction to do their job and she will continue to stand up to the bully in the White House and putting our Country First.

 

[Wry Catcher]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

Fact all of this was investigated for two years give or take not Trump or any member of his campaign was was charged, indicted or convicted of collusion or obstruction which was supposed to be the main purpose for the investigation. You don’t get a mulligan just because the investigation didn’t give you the outcome you wanted. If you are truly concerned about Russian cyber attacks during the election maybe you should be focused on the administration that was in charge at the time and why this seemingly went on right under their nose without them having a clue. If they did know why didn’t they take stronger steps to stop it.

Don't rewrite history, it is very unseemly.

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d0282d9007b7

 

[Papageorgio]

What happened to Holder when he defied a subpoena and was the first AG to beheld in contempt of Congress? That should tell us what should happen in this case.

 

[blackhawk]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

Fact all of this was investigated for two years give or take not Trump or any member of his campaign was was charged, indicted or convicted of collusion or obstruction which was supposed to be the main purpose for the investigation. You don’t get a mulligan just because the investigation didn’t give you the outcome you wanted. If you are truly concerned about Russian cyber attacks during the election maybe you should be focused on the administration that was in charge at the time and why this seemingly went on right under their nose without them having a clue. If they did know why didn’t they take stronger steps to stop it.

Don't rewrite history, it is very unseemly.

See: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ference/?noredirect=on&utm_term=.d0282d9007b7

Unseemly is investigating the current administration for things that occurred under the previous one.

 

[Wry Catcher]

What happened to Holder when he defied a subpoena and was the first AG to beheld in contempt of Congress? That should tell us what should happen in this case.

It's too early to tell what the Holder matter has on the Barr matter.

 

[Harry Dresden]

Should you have ignored and defied a subpoena, what do you think might happen to you?

I think some rich Democrats might prefer to lose elections than pay higher taxes.

Why Are Democrats So Scared of Impeachment?

"Like all of his predecessors, Trump took an oath on Inauguration Day pursuant to Article I, Clause 3 of the Constitution to 'take care' that the laws of the nation be faithfully executed.

Trump has violated that oath in myriad ways, by:

● Defying the oversight authority of Congress.

● Attempting to obstruct the Mueller investigation.

● Using the presidency to enrich himself, his family and the Trump Organization in violation of the Constitution’s 'emoluments clause.'

● Refusing to defend the Affordable Care Act, imperiling the health insurance available to millions of Americans
Undermining environmental protections and pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement, endangering the health and safety of generations.

● Reneging on the Iran nuclear deal, bringing the nation to the brink of another war in the Middle East.

● Refusing to enforce the Voting Rights Act, promoting voter suppression and sowing racial hatred and resentments.

● Promising tax relief for middle-class and working families, but sponsoring a massive giveaway to the superrich.

● Incarcerating undocumented children in cages, and declaring a national emergency to fund his border wall.

"Through it all, he has lied incessantly about these and other misdeeds, much as Nixon lied about Watergate. Nixon was cited for deceiving the public in the Articles of Impeachment ratified by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974. Trump should be as well.

"All things considered, the real issue is not whether Trump should be impeached, but when and how impeachment should unfold.

"As for when, there is no better time than the present. Trump and Barr show no signs of relenting in their crusade to expand presidential power. The sooner they are put on the defensive, the better."

Using the presidency to enrich himself....
every President since who knows when has done that....so have those wonderful congress people....

 

[Papageorgio]

What happened to Holder when he defied a subpoena and was the first AG to beheld in contempt of Congress? That should tell us what should happen in this case.

It's too early to tell what the Holder matter has on the Barr matter.

It's all BS, one party does it and the other side melts down, then it changes and the other group melts down and the rationalization is off the hook stupid.

I think we all need to sit back a breathe before going crazy. If Trump has done anything, then it is up to the House to start impeachment proceedings, whether they think the Senate will convict should not even play into the conversation. Pelosi, to her credit has slowed things down and is really looking at all sides of this issue and weighing the good and the bad of impeaching.

 

[Papageorgio]

Should you have ignored and defied a subpoena, what do you think might happen to you?

I think some rich Democrats might prefer to lose elections than pay higher taxes.

Why Are Democrats So Scared of Impeachment?

"Like all of his predecessors, Trump took an oath on Inauguration Day pursuant to Article I, Clause 3 of the Constitution to 'take care' that the laws of the nation be faithfully executed.

Trump has violated that oath in myriad ways, by:

● Defying the oversight authority of Congress.

● Attempting to obstruct the Mueller investigation.

● Using the presidency to enrich himself, his family and the Trump Organization in violation of the Constitution’s 'emoluments clause.'

● Refusing to defend the Affordable Care Act, imperiling the health insurance available to millions of Americans
Undermining environmental protections and pulling out of the Paris Climate Agreement, endangering the health and safety of generations.

● Reneging on the Iran nuclear deal, bringing the nation to the brink of another war in the Middle East.

● Refusing to enforce the Voting Rights Act, promoting voter suppression and sowing racial hatred and resentments.

● Promising tax relief for middle-class and working families, but sponsoring a massive giveaway to the superrich.

● Incarcerating undocumented children in cages, and declaring a national emergency to fund his border wall.

"Through it all, he has lied incessantly about these and other misdeeds, much as Nixon lied about Watergate. Nixon was cited for deceiving the public in the Articles of Impeachment ratified by the House Judiciary Committee in 1974. Trump should be as well.

"All things considered, the real issue is not whether Trump should be impeached, but when and how impeachment should unfold.

"As for when, there is no better time than the present. Trump and Barr show no signs of relenting in their crusade to expand presidential power. The sooner they are put on the defensive, the better."

Of this whole list, the only one that if proven could be impeachable and that is obstruction, the rest of the list is all opinion and a big nothing.

 

[airplanemechanic]

The biggest impeachable offense Trump committed was beating Hillary.

 

[mudwhistle]

Hillary has set the recent precedent by destroying subpoenaed smart devices and the oft cited 33,000 emails. Nothing happened to her. Beside that, Liberals seem to forget that Mueller interviewed McGhan for over 30 hours which is an absurd amount of time. Are Democrats saying now that Mueller was incompetent and they do not believe his findings?

I think it's time to get to the bottom of the 2000 election.
I think Gore really won, not Bush.

 

[boedicca]

You guys do realize this is not uncharted territory the same thing was done under the Obama, Bush and Clinton administration.

HUH? The real example is John Dean, who put country before loyalty to a corrupt President, by putting himself front and center and providing a transparent look at a corrupt administration.

There was an actual crime in that case there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise.

STATEMENT: "there is not one here no matter how you try to pretend otherwise"

RESPONSE: There is almost universal belief that Russia engage in a cyber crime, an attack on our democracy.

There is evidence that a number of Trump&Co's inner circle had suspicious meetings with Russians during the campaign and the transition period, and Trump had meetings with Russian's after his election with no American present, and met with Putin at least two times on subjects he has not released or commented upon.

I could go on to collect a number of dots to prove, at least, something untoward needs to be further investigated.

Get a grip. McGahn was a close advisor to Trump, and his conversations with him are covered by Executive Privilege. That privilege was not broken when McGahn talke to Mueller (who was part of the exec branch). Congress cannot issue commands to the Exec Branch to appear before it just as Trump cannot issue commands for Congress to meet him at the White House.

This is all just political posturing on the part of Nadler and his henchthugs.