Zone1 Does the speaker impasse strengthen or weaken America ?

[candycorn]

The vast majority of GOP representatives back McCarthy.They will represent the will of their elctrorate..

The Gaetz minority have yet to put up their man. So they are just saying no without offering an alternative.

The system empowers nihilists which is a good, or bad, thing dependent on which side you are on.

If there were 2 people standing for the Speakership and one was getting 100+ votes and the other was getting 100+ votes, this would be healthy. What this is amounts to nothing more than a small band of anarchists wanting no government. Currently they are getting what they want in part; chaos.

It won't last. We get a new speaker one way or the other..

 

[martybegan]

Give and take means you get some of your priorities enacted. That would not appeal to extremists on either side.
But if you cant win the argument you need to compromise.

The Dem mantra is take and take. Compromise to them is getting their way 95%, and then ignoring the 5% "compromise" later.

Compromise on Abortion is say a 15 week limit on birth control abortions, with an exception for medically required ones for the life of the mother after. (And 15 weeks takes care of rape and incest abortions).

You can find plenty of people willing to make that compromise, but don't expect the RoeWade supplicants to accept anything less than abortions right to the moment of birth for any reason, like in NY and CA.

 

[martybegan]

If there were 2 people standing for the Speakership and one was getting 100+ votes and the other was getting 100+ votes, this would be healthy. What this is amounts to nothing more than a small band of anarchists wanting no government. Currently they are getting what they want in part; chaos.

It won't last. We get a new speaker one way or the other..

From this opinion pieces it seems chairs and members of committees is the issue right now. Some of the 20 don't want to see key committees led by 20+ year RINO reps.

THE MORNING RANT: Bravo to the GOP Rebels If They Can Break The Congressional Seniority System; (plus a crazy alternative idea – “Reverse Seniority” ).

 

[candycorn]

From this opinion pieces it seems chairs and members of committees is the issue right now. Some of the 20 don't want to see key committees led by 20+ year RINO reps.

THE MORNING RANT: Bravo to the GOP Rebels If They Can Break The Congressional Seniority System; (plus a crazy alternative idea – “Reverse Seniority” ).

Guys who have won 10 terms as Republicans are RINO's?

 

[martybegan]

Guys who have won 10 terms as Republicans are RINO's?

The longer you stay in the pit, the more you start acting like the beast.

 

[candycorn]

The longer you stay in the pit, the more you start acting like the beast.

So what is the cut off. 2 terms? 4 terms? When does one become a "beast"?

 

[martybegan]

So what is the cut off. 2 terms? 4 terms? When does one become a "beast"?

They get entrapped by the system, serving the government and the party more than the people they are supposed to represent.

If I had my way both the House and the Senate would have 12 year term limits on them.

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

I am all for politicians being preented from legislating but there has to be a limit to that.
This impasse,I dont see it as a crisis, has thrown up a potential flaw in a system that seems designed for a different type of people to the current incumbents.

The largest party should choose the speaker but with that privilege comes the responsibility of actually choosing one.

I would hve thought that McCarthy woud have stated his objectives clearly at the start of this process so that GOP reps could discuss this prior to a vote. The party could have held Some sort of primary to reach an agreement.

They have had 2 months to do this and should have hit the ground running.
Then there is the question of a small faction of the party holding the larger group to ransom. Gaetz and his group comprise less than 10 % of the elected mmbers.
Obviously McCarthy is offering them concessions to buy their support. However if he goes too far he risks losing the support of the majority of the party. If being a holdout gets you a better job then why toe the line ?

Should the GOP have a process whereby they agree to back the majority choicev before any vote ? Its not as if they have put forward an alternative to KEv. I suspect that person is already chosen and is sitting quietly watching events.

So coming back to the initiaal question, does this strengthen America or weaken it ?
On the whole I think that it is not a bad thing. The GOP doesnt seem to have a vision for America that cant wait a week or two. It gives voters a greater insight into the workings of govt and it highlights deficiencies that need to be addresed.
What say you ?

Three days. Eleven votes. Still no US House speaker

The deadlock will continue, since no business can go ahead until a speaker is picked.

www.bbc.co.uk

You have some kind of weird ass fetish on how the US Government runs that's hypocritical as hell. Have you ever seen a debate in your own government ? Even though it's hilarious It's like watching a bunch of yelling retarded children hopped up on sugar.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

You have some kind of weird ass fetish on how the US Government runs that's hypocritical as hell. Have you ever seen a debate in your own government ? Even though it's hilarious It's like watching a bunch of yelling retarded children hopped up on sugar.

Its crap isnt it. ?

 

[ThunderKiss1965]

Its crap isnt it. ?

I use to watch videos of your Parliament debate stuff it's hilarious. If anyone in my Government tried the crap your politicians get away with they would be hounded mercilessly by the other side.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

I use to watch videos of your Parliament debate stuff it's hilarious. If anyone in my Government tried the crap your politicians get away with they would be hounded mercilessly by the other side.

There are faults on both sides....No system is perfect.

 

[beautress]

I am all for politicians being preented from legislating but there has to be a limit to that.
This impasse,I dont see it as a crisis, has thrown up a potential flaw in a system that seems designed for a different type of people to the current incumbents.

The largest party should choose the speaker but with that privilege comes the responsibility of actually choosing one.

I would hve thought that McCarthy woud have stated his objectives clearly at the start of this process so that GOP reps could discuss this prior to a vote. The party could have held Some sort of primary to reach an agreement.

They have had 2 months to do this and should have hit the ground running.
Then there is the question of a small faction of the party holding the larger group to ransom. Gaetz and his group comprise less than 10 % of the elected mmbers.
Obviously McCarthy is offering them concessions to buy their support. However if he goes too far he risks losing the support of the majority of the party. If being a holdout gets you a better job then why toe the line ?

Should the GOP have a process whereby they agree to back the majority choicev before any vote ? Its not as if they have put forward an alternative to KEv. I suspect that person is already chosen and is sitting quietly watching events.

So coming back to the initiaal question, does this strengthen America or weaken it ?
On the whole I think that it is not a bad thing. The GOP doesnt seem to have a vision for America that cant wait a week or two. It gives voters a greater insight into the workings of govt and it highlights deficiencies that need to be addresed.
What say you ?

Three days. Eleven votes. Still no US House speaker

The deadlock will continue, since no business can go ahead until a speaker is picked.

www.bbc.co.uk

Gee whilikers, Tommy, you must have missed American History. In our past, at least one Congress voted more than 100 times to pick a Speaker. Good lovely evening. and good night.

 

[Tommy Tainant]

Gee whilikers, Tommy, you must have missed American History. In our past, at least one Congress voted more than 100 times to pick a Speaker. Good lovely evening. and good night.

We were only taught bits of American history in school. I learn more every day. Its very interesting.

 

[schmidlap]

RINOs of Trumpery love shitshows, not competent governance.

 

[wamose]

The process probably made us stronger since dissenting voices forced elitists to listen. But the result, where the Democrat faction of the Republican party took the speakership, is nothing but bad for working class Americans.

 

[beautress]

Good Saturday morning. Yesterday around midnight, McCarthy became the new House Speaker. He promised the people of the United States that the Congress was open again to the American people. No more secrecy in the 118th Congress. That was music to my ears. He also promised an open door to all the Congressmen, and that people on their committees will be allowed to ALL that committee's meetings, and that fairness, not partisanship would be the new rule. I wish House Speaker McCarthy the best as long as his desk is open to both parties as promised. That is all. Even though I am a lifelong Republican, I think like McCarthy that all who come to the table should be treated fairly as time permits. So that all togetherness is the best way to repair a sense of rightness and goodness to those who are elected from their states. May God truly bless America again. And I pray that our country's people take control again so that all can come to the table to improve life for the american people once again.

 

[2aguy]

I am all for politicians being preented from legislating but there has to be a limit to that.
This impasse,I dont see it as a crisis, has thrown up a potential flaw in a system that seems designed for a different type of people to the current incumbents.

The largest party should choose the speaker but with that privilege comes the responsibility of actually choosing one.

I would hve thought that McCarthy woud have stated his objectives clearly at the start of this process so that GOP reps could discuss this prior to a vote. The party could have held Some sort of primary to reach an agreement.

They have had 2 months to do this and should have hit the ground running.
Then there is the question of a small faction of the party holding the larger group to ransom. Gaetz and his group comprise less than 10 % of the elected mmbers.
Obviously McCarthy is offering them concessions to buy their support. However if he goes too far he risks losing the support of the majority of the party. If being a holdout gets you a better job then why toe the line ?

Should the GOP have a process whereby they agree to back the majority choicev before any vote ? Its not as if they have put forward an alternative to KEv. I suspect that person is already chosen and is sitting quietly watching events.

So coming back to the initiaal question, does this strengthen America or weaken it ?
On the whole I think that it is not a bad thing. The GOP doesnt seem to have a vision for America that cant wait a week or two. It gives voters a greater insight into the workings of govt and it highlights deficiencies that need to be addresed.
What say you ?

Three days. Eleven votes. Still no US House speaker

The deadlock will continue, since no business can go ahead until a speaker is picked.

www.bbc.co.uk

This is actual democracy in action..........the demands of the people opposing McCarthy make sense, and limit the power of the government.........that is a good thing.

We live in a Republic, not a democracy.......a small group is supposed to be able to gum up the works. That goes along with our founding concepts of limited government, separation of powers, checks and balances, federalism......that is how you prevent government abuse...you know, like the murder of 15 million innocent men, women and children that happened in Europe in just 6 years under the socialists....

 

[2aguy]

In this case, it is 20 trumpian, election denier holdouts, saying it is their turn to run the House of Representatives or at least the Republican caucus, though they represent a very small minority. Problem being, just because you lose a presidential election, and the Senate in a mid-term while the rest of the normal party gains a very narrow margin in the House of Representatives, does not mean you get "a turn" at leadership or get to control. America and the Republican Party is not ready for minority rule, especially when even Republicans won't accept it.

Which of their demands did you object to?.....please be specific...

 

[Couchpotato]

I am all for politicians being preented from legislating but there has to be a limit to that.
This impasse,I dont see it as a crisis, has thrown up a potential flaw in a system that seems designed for a different type of people to the current incumbents.

The largest party should choose the speaker but with that privilege comes the responsibility of actually choosing one.

I would hve thought that McCarthy woud have stated his objectives clearly at the start of this process so that GOP reps could discuss this prior to a vote. The party could have held Some sort of primary to reach an agreement.

They have had 2 months to do this and should have hit the ground running.
Then there is the question of a small faction of the party holding the larger group to ransom. Gaetz and his group comprise less than 10 % of the elected mmbers.
Obviously McCarthy is offering them concessions to buy their support. However if he goes too far he risks losing the support of the majority of the party. If being a holdout gets you a better job then why toe the line ?

Should the GOP have a process whereby they agree to back the majority choicev before any vote ? Its not as if they have put forward an alternative to KEv. I suspect that person is already chosen and is sitting quietly watching events.

So coming back to the initiaal question, does this strengthen America or weaken it ?
On the whole I think that it is not a bad thing. The GOP doesnt seem to have a vision for America that cant wait a week or two. It gives voters a greater insight into the workings of govt and it highlights deficiencies that need to be addresed.
What say you ?

Three days. Eleven votes. Still no US House speaker

The deadlock will continue, since no business can go ahead until a speaker is picked.

www.bbc.co.uk

Neither. As we have seen we will have a Speaker a couple days later. How was anyone's lives altered due to the 3 day delay of swearing in Mc Carthy?

 

[Captain Caveman]

I am all for politicians being preented from legislating but there has to be a limit to that.
This impasse,I dont see it as a crisis, has thrown up a potential flaw in a system that seems designed for a different type of people to the current incumbents.

The largest party should choose the speaker but with that privilege comes the responsibility of actually choosing one.

I would hve thought that McCarthy woud have stated his objectives clearly at the start of this process so that GOP reps could discuss this prior to a vote. The party could have held Some sort of primary to reach an agreement.

They have had 2 months to do this and should have hit the ground running.
Then there is the question of a small faction of the party holding the larger group to ransom. Gaetz and his group comprise less than 10 % of the elected mmbers.
Obviously McCarthy is offering them concessions to buy their support. However if he goes too far he risks losing the support of the majority of the party. If being a holdout gets you a better job then why toe the line ?

Should the GOP have a process whereby they agree to back the majority choicev before any vote ? Its not as if they have put forward an alternative to KEv. I suspect that person is already chosen and is sitting quietly watching events.

So coming back to the initiaal question, does this strengthen America or weaken it ?
On the whole I think that it is not a bad thing. The GOP doesnt seem to have a vision for America that cant wait a week or two. It gives voters a greater insight into the workings of govt and it highlights deficiencies that need to be addresed.
What say you ?

Three days. Eleven votes. Still no US House speaker

The deadlock will continue, since no business can go ahead until a speaker is picked.

www.bbc.co.uk

America has simply suffered a speaker that used the HofR to fight Trump everyday, even after his presidency, as opposed to working with the government to run the country. This cost the tax payer a fortune for the endless nothingburgers. Me thinks Biden is deluded.

US President Joe Biden congratulated Mr McCarthy for his win and said he looked forward to co-operating with the Republican Party.

Republicans have already pledged to launch investigations into Mr Biden's family business dealings and administration.

Kevin McCarthy elected US House Speaker after 15 rounds of voting

The Republican is finally chosen after a week of chaos and angry scenes between colleagues in his own party.

www.bbc.co.uk

Pelosi weakened America.