Zone1 Does anyone object to the use of abortion pills to terminate pregnancies before 10 weeks?

[TNHarley]

Wow. The dumb is strong in this one.

So are you claiming fetuses can eat and breathe on their own?

 

[Couchpotato]

So are you claiming fetuses can eat and breathe on their own?

You're claiming they cant? What magic happens when they are born that gives them that ability? Oh yeah location.

If I hold you underwater does it take away your ability to breath on your own or is it just your location?

And a baby cant eat on it's own, someone has to feed it.

If I walk into a hospital and shoot a person on a ventilator is that murder? They cant breath on their own so they arent a person right?

 

[TNHarley]

You're claiming they cant? What magic happens when they are born that gives them that ability? Oh yeah location.

are you fucking kidding me? You have a child and ask that stupid question?

And a baby cant eat on it's own, someone has to feed it.

I didnt mean using its limbs and manually putting food into its mouth. How dumb.

If I walk into a hospital and shoot a person on a ventilator is that murder? They cant breath on their own so they arent a person right?

Refer back to the first response.
You might still have time to edit this post so it doesnt make you look so fucking stupid

 

[Couchpotato]

are you fucking kidding me? You have a child and ask that stupid question?

I didnt mean using its limbs and manually putting food into its mouth. How dumb.

Refer back to the first response.
You might still have time to edit this post so it doesnt make you look so fucking stupid

So what's the magic dumb ass? Something must happen in the birthing process to make them able to breath, right? Otherwise they had the ability their location just kept them from exercising it.

Same with eating. What's the magic? If the only reason a fetus isnt eating is because someone isnt putting food in it's mouth how is that different than a fetus that's been born?

Trust me Im not the one who looks stupid. You cant support your argument.

 

[TNHarley]

So what's the magic dumb ass? Something must happen in the birthing process to make them able to breath, right? Otherwise they had the ability their location just kept them from exercising it.

Same with eating. What's the magic? If the only reason a fetus isnt eating is because someone isnt putting food in it's mouth how is that different than a fetus that's been born?

Trust me Im not the one who looks stupid. You cant support your argument.

ummmm you werent joking as i had hoped. They have these things called umbilical cords. The oxygen they get from that comes from the mothers blood.
Same with the umbilical cord.
Goddamn dude. Either you are stupidly stupid, or so emotional you cant think properly.

 

[Red Front]

No, I don't really have a problem with it.

I don't like the 10 weeks aspect of it.

However, the Morning after pill should be available to any woman who wants it, provided she can pay for it.

NONE of these kinds of abortifacients should be paid for by the taxpayer.

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant for whatever reason and she can't afford to abort her pregnancy, that's going to be more expensive to society in the long-run than simply covering the cost of the abortion. More, every American should have the right to healthcare. We should at the very least have medicare for all.

 

[Darkwind]

If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant for whatever reason and she can't afford to abort her pregnancy, that's going to be more expensive to society in the long-run than simply covering the cost of the abortion. More, every American should have the right to healthcare. We should at the very least have medicare for all.

You have the right to work for your healthcare and pay for your needs. Full stop.

 

[Red Front]

Everything that is intended to, or known to, kill a human life, even one of just two cells, is murder and must be banned.

That's nonsense. Killing a human cell or collection of cells in the form of a zygote or embryo doesn't amount to murder. That embryo isn't a human being yet, but rather a potential human being. Potential human and actual human isn't the same. The actual human being is the woman who is pregnant. She gets to decide what to do with her pregnancy.

 

[Red Front]

You have the right to work for your healthcare and pay for your needs. Full stop.

We have the right to organize a society that provides healthcare to all of its members. You can live in a society full of people going bankrupt with medical bills and unable to go see a doctor, but I and other Americans, whether we're communists or defenders of capitalism, see the value in providing medicare to everyone. We'll see in the ballot box who wins, those who don't see the value of having a healthy citizenry, and those who do.

 

[Jets]

You bore me

 

[Darkwind]

We have the right to organize a society that provides healthcare to all of its members. You can live in a society full of people going bankrupt with medical bills and unable to go see a doctor, but I and other Americans, whether we're communists or defenders of capitalism, see the value in providing medicare to everyone. We'll see in the ballot box who wins, those who don't see the value of having a healthy citizenry, and those who do.

You and anyone else are free to do just that. There are a number of Christian organizations that voluntarily pitch in to help pay each other's medical bills.

Do you see the most important word in that last sentence? I even highlighted it for you.

When you desire to FORCE others to pay for YOUR life, you are essentially creating slaves of us all. So, NO. You do NOT have the right to a society that steals from the productive to care for the cowardly.

Work for your life needs, as everyone else does.

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yeah, I know, that is 2 1/2 months past the point where you were late with your period! Which means you are heading for your FORTH missed period! Kind of a long time for someone to notice and decide maybe they better try a pregnancy stick!

1.5 actually. You're using home school math and assuming they would have had their period the next day.

 

[Zincwarrior]

You and anyone else are free to do just that. There are a number of Christian organizations that voluntarily pitch in to help pay each other's medical bills.

Do you see the most important word in that last sentence? I even highlighted it for you.

When you desire to FORCE others to pay for YOUR life, you are essentially creating slaves of us all. So, NO. You do NOT have the right to a society that steals from the productive to care for the cowardly.

Work for your life needs, as everyone else does.

Yea that's like pregnant counseling, utter bullshit.

 

[Darkwind]

Yea that's like pregnant counseling, utter bullshit.

In what way? You can get all the counseling you want, as long as you pay for it.

 

[Zincwarrior]

In what way? You can get all the counseling you want, as long as you pay for it.

It's a forced birther scam. There is no help.

 

[Darkwind]

It's a forced birther scam. There is no help.

Kind of like the made-up term, "birther scam".

 

[Zincwarrior]

Kind of like the made-up term, "birther scam".

You literally don't even know what they are.

 

[Darkwind]

You literally don't even know what they are.

People who speak intelligently with pregnant women who are considering abortion.

It is a made-up term to denigrate people who are exercising emotional care for confused children and young adults.

As I said, a made-up term.

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[Zincwarrior]

People who speak intelligently with pregnant women who are considering abortion.

It is a made-up term to denigrate people who are exercising emotional care for confused children and young adults.

As I said, a made-up term.

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They're not. They're selling teenagers a bill of goods. Once the baby is born, the teenager is cast aside.

 

[Red Front]

You and anyone else are free to do just that. There are a number of Christian organizations that voluntarily pitch in to help pay each other's medical bills.

Do you see the most important word in that last sentence? I even highlighted it for you.

When you desire to FORCE others to pay for YOUR life, you are essentially creating slaves of us all. So, NO. You do NOT have the right to a society that steals from the productive to care for the cowardly.

Work for your life needs, as everyone else does.

In a democracy it's the majority that rule, not a small minority of miscreants and sociopaths who think they live in a vacuum. There's no production without infrastructure or society, and if society decides to recognize that every human being has a right to food, housing, healthcare, education, and employment, then that society will have just that. Christians can do whatever they want among themselves, but if the majority of people want to live in a society where these social services are provided then that's how it's going to be, regardless of how you feel about it. Christian charity is not the answer to providing healthcare to all of our citizens.

More, you don't even follow what the Bible says about charity, which requires everyone to open their doors and let the homeless into their homes. You haven't read your Bible:

Isa 58:7 Is it not to deal thy bread to the hungry, and that thou bring the poor that are cast out to thy house? when thou seest the naked, that thou cover him; and that thou hide not thyself from thine own flesh?

Jesus makes it a commandment not just a suggestion:

Mat 25:41 Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Mat 25:42 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me no drink:
Mat 25:43 I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not: sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.

Jesus is going to throw all of those counterfeit "Christians", fake disciples, who refuse to open the doors of their homes to the homeless, into the lake of fire. The first Christians were communists, they all lived together and held all things in common. Read Acts 2:42-47 and 4:32-37 . If you're not willing to do that as a supposed disciple of Jesus, then YHWH will commission communists to do it for you. That's what YHWH does throughout the Bible. He chooses a motley crew of people to do His will, when His children are disobedient. When YHWH's children are rebelious he will choose Cyrus, a pagan Zoroastrian to do His work. When the Jews refuse to go back to the promise land, YHWH chooses atheists and communists to start a movement called "ZIONISM", yep that's right. 19th century Zionism was started by Theodore Herzl, an atheist and a socialist. The first Jewish settlers in the promiseland, established a network of communes called "Kibutzim", and they were communists. The first seven prime ministers of Israel were Socialists. David Ben Gurion and Golda Meir admitted to being Marxists. So YHWH will use whoever He wants to use.

So called "Christians", the supposed disciples of Jesus, who flippantly dismiss the needs of society, of the poor, of working-class people, siding always on the side of the wealthy, often at the expense of the poor. You're always going to lose. YHWH will employ communists, atheists, to punish you, because you refuse to obey your supposed Lord. Democracy, the rule of the people is what's going to be established in America, not the rule of corporations or the rich at the expense of the public good. YHWH the God of the Bible, that you supposedly worship and serve, is on the side of the public good, of working-class people, of the poor, and if communists recognize this profound truth, that all human beings have the right to food, housing, healthcare, an education, full employment, then YHWH will make that happen, regardless of how you feel about it. Democracy is going to win.