Does a Right to Privacy Exist in the US Constitution?

Does a Right to Privacy Exist in the US Constitution?

  • Yes

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  • No

    Votes: 6 18.8%
  • It was found by ultra liberal activist Judges

    Votes: 1 3.1%

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Swing Justice Potter Stewart and Justice Hugo Black disagreed in Griswold v Connecticut. The decision was 7 - 2 in favor. The big deal was Justice Douglas, ultra liberal accused-activist Judge. Doe any of it matter?

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Does the Constitution protect the right of marital privacy against state restrictions on a couple's ability to be counseled in the use of contraceptives?

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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
 

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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
 
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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
How so? If I were a constructionist or texualist, strict or loose, how would you convince me? Where is privacy mentioned?

Major Originalist like Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no right of privacy exists.
 

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The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
How so? If I were a constructionist or texualist, strict or loose, how would you convince me? Where is privacy mentioned?
Major Originalist like Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no right of privacy exists.
The Third Amendment and privacy?

Consider that when the Constitution was written,electronics hadn't yet been invented. No microphones, no transmitters or receivers. No technology for “bugging” someone's home.

The only way to know what conversations took place in someone's home would be to have a human being in a position to overhear them. Perhaps a soldier, there under the guise of being housed.

I do not think that the Third Amendment was merely about providing housing for soldiers. It was about putting government agents in people's homes, to spy on them.
 
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The Third Amendment and privacy?

Consider that when the Constitution was written,electronics hadn't yet been invented. No microphones, no transmitters or receivers. No technology for “bugging” someone's home.

The only way to know what conversations took place in someone's home would be to have a human being in a position to overhear them. Perhaps a soldier, there under the guise of being housed.

I do not think that the Third Amendment was merely about providing housing for soldiers. It was about putting government agents in people's homes, to spy on them.
What was Giswold decided on? electronics? microphones? transmitters? receivers? technology?

Your assumptions are terrible. It is not true especially back in the late 18th century that 'the only way to know what conversations took place in someone's home" All it would take was for an upstanding citizen to make an accusation. Not many people realize the right to free speech was not universal for all citizens, as it evolved over time. A living, breathing right. Earlier the right was usually for protecting the right of legislators and parliamentarians to speak freely in a government body, not the average subject or citizen.
 
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Is this a straw man? "I do not think that the Third Amendment was merely about providing housing for soldiers?"
 

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when you vote, you are absolutely granted the right to privacy. you are not required - by law - to have anybody see your vote behind that curtain or little cubicle or make you reveal your vote.

that same 'right' extends to what goes on within the walls of a private home or a doctor's office.

i'd attach the right to privacy to having equal protection under the law.
 

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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
How so? If I were a constructionist or texualist, strict or loose, how would you convince me? Where is privacy mentioned?Major Originalist like Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no right of privacy exists.
An impetus of this thread may allude to a political narrative that a right ( a rite , a write , a wright ) to privacy for abortion does not exist through Exegesis - Wikipedia and is actually Eisegesis - Wikipedia of the us constitution .

As has been stipulated , US 14th Amendment Establishes Negative Liberty of Individuals to Acquire Abortion .

As a fae fee fie foe fue fye to us is private property the mother , a wright of privacy is entitled secondarily by the us 4th amendment .

A deduction that a faeiouy is private property occurs directly through an inference from naturalism , where natural freedoms are exchanged for wrights of reprise established through a constitution , a state is comprised of citizens and it is for citizens that a state is established for reprise .

As the constitution establishes that citizenship occurs at birth , that rigorously defines any and all seeking equal protection must be born , which exactly founds the Blackmun ' s opinion in the Roe w Wade decision .

Now roe v wade stipulated that abortion is legal until birth and concluded that after natural viability a states interest grows and that states may proscribe abortion thereafter when parturition became a relative standard for birth .

And , yet , with amnesia brought on by arrogance and by ignorance , it is those who maintain that negative liberties for abortion are not assured by the constitution who have an audacity to swear that others do not understand the constitution !

* Reverberation Concerning Exceptions Rules *

Since a requirement of birth according to the us constitution does not answer whether abortion is ethical , the remaining standard is to establish that a physical capacity for sentience satisfies a criteria against cruel or unusual treatment as per the 8th amendment , and corroborated in 7th law of noah .

These are examples of issuance against tortuous treatment , while Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia , " Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2] " ; and , Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia , " Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal. " .

* Heckling Political Cinema Of Commode Theatrics *

Be wary of those seeking to implement tyranny by majority or tyranny buy minority against negative liberties assured to individualism through non aggression principles .

These days those to be wary refer to themselves as anti-federalists , as they shine gazes of contempt they hope to deflect a bent as statists seeking to implement illegitimate aggression through tyranny by majority , or tyranny buy minority , against the negative liberties of individualism assured through principles of non aggression as well as through us constitution .

Thus to the anti-fedederalist statists , the 9th and 10th us amendments establish a precedence for this individualist as both anti-statists and anti-federalists .

* Kitchen Sink Plumbing *

The heretics of antinomianism within a reich wing , against whom-in-who non aggression principles have NOT been violated , are seeking to issue a retort of illegitimate aggression against negative liberties of individual citizens , on behalf of that which has not met a requirement of birth for equal protection .

It is individual citizens who are responsible for self ownership to include genetic continuance , such means that collectives of federalists , or collectives of statists , or collectives of private individuals masquerading as both , DO NOT determine the means or methods chosen by individual citizens to ensure their own genetic survival , especially given its assurances through constitutional protection as well as its ethical conciliation from naturalism .

* High Lighted Bill Of Wrights Order Of Precedence *

Core negative liberties include self owner ship ( free roam , free association , self preservation ) and self determine nation ( private property - free enterprise , will full intentions ) .

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs privacy of self ownership and self determination without just cause .
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs just compensation for assertive actions of government against self determination .
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
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The us 9th amendment occurs before the us 10th amendment in the bill of wrights and thereby stipulates that individualism reigns supreme over statism or federalism .

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.[1]
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[5]
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An example of a wright to privacy occurs with every Search and seizure - Wikipedia , as a wright to privacy requires technical procedures for a search , including consent , which must be followed as an example of enforcement of the us fourth amendment .

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia is based upon individual accountability , where individuals are ultimately responsible for survival of their own identity .
 
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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
How so? If I were a constructionist or texualist, strict or loose, how would you convince me? Where is privacy mentioned?Major Originalist like Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no right of privacy exists.
The impetus of this thread alludes to a political narrative that a right ( a rite , a write , a wright ) to privacy for abortion does not exist through Exegesis - Wikipedia and is actually Eisegesis - Wikipedia of the us constitution .

As has been stipulated , US 14th Amendment Establishes Negative Liberty of Individuals to Acquire Abortion .

As a fae fee fie foe fue fye to us is private property the mother , a wright of privacy is entitled secondarily by the us 4th amendment .

A deduction that a faeiouy is private property occurs directly through an inference from naturalism , where natural freedoms are exchanged for wrights of reprise established through a constitution , a state is comprised of citizens and it is for citizens that a state is established for reprise .

As the constitution establishes that citizenship occurs at birth , that rigorously defines any and all seeking equal protection must be born , which exactly founds the Blackmun ' s opinion in the Roe w Wade decision .

Now roe v wade stipulated that abortion is legal until birth and concluded that after natural viability a states interest grows and that states may proscribe abortion thereafter when parturition became a relative standard for birth .

And , yet , with amnesia brought on by arrogance and by ignorance , it is those who maintain that negative liberties for abortion are not assured by the constitution who have an audacity to swear that others do not understand the constitution !

* Reverberation Concerning Exceptions Rules *

Since a requirement of birth according to the us constitution does not answer whether abortion is ethical , the remaining standard is to establish that a physical capacity for sentience satisfies a criteria against cruel or unusual treatment as per the 8th amendment , and corroborated in 7th law of noah .

These are examples of issuance against tortuous treatment , while Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia , " Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2] " ; and , Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia , " Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal. " .

* Heckling Political Cinema Of Commode Theatrics *

Be wary of those seeking to implement tyranny by majority or tyranny buy minority against negative liberties assured to individualism through non aggression principles .

These days those to be wary refer to themselves as anti-federalists , as they shine gazes of contempt they hope to deflect a bent as statists seeking to implement illegitimate aggression through tyranny by majority , or tyranny buy minority , against the negative liberties of individualism assured through principles of non aggression as well as through us constitution .

Thus to the anti-fedederalist statists , the 9th and 10th us amendments establish a precedence for this individualist as both anti-statists and anti-federalists .

* Kitchen Sink Plumbing *

The heretics of antinomianism within a reich wing , against whom-in-who non aggression principles have NOT been violated , are seeking to issue a retort of illegitimate aggression against negative liberties of individual citizens , on behalf of that which has not met a requirement of birth for equal protection .

It is individual citizens who are responsible for self ownership to include genetic continuance , such means that collectives of federalists , or collectives of statists , or collectives of private individuals masquerading as both , DO NOT determine the means or methods chosen by individual citizens to ensure their own genetic survival , especially given its assurances through constitutional protection as well as its ethical conciliation from naturalism .

* High Lighted Bill Of Wrights Order Of Precedence *

Core negative liberties include self owner ship ( free roam , free association , self preservation ) and self determine nation ( private property - free enterprise , will full intentions ) .

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs privacy of self ownership and self determination without just cause .
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs just compensation for assertive actions of government against self determination .
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
* Autonomy Accountability Specifications Due Knot Available *

The us 9th amendment occurs before the us 10th amendment in the bill of wrights and thereby stipulates that individualism reigns supreme over statism or federalism .

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.[1]
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[5]
* Hell Low Others Seen *

An example of a wright to privacy occurs with every Search and seizure - Wikipedia , as a wright to privacy requires technical procedures for a search , including consent , which must be followed as an example of enforcement of the us fourth amendment .

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia is based upon individual accountability , where individuals are ultimately responsible for survival of their own identity .
A well-known theorem holds that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards would produce copies of all known works of literature.

However, as we can all clearly see here, one monkey at one keyboard only produces meaningless nonsense.
 

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A well-known theorem holds that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards would produce copies of all known works of literature.
However, as we can all clearly see here, one monkey at one keyboard only produces meaningless nonsense.
It may be that one of those test monkeys evolved to escape confinement and is using keyboards against the captors as a free radical .

As it is , are the cowards skulking from the challenge willing to claim that a supreme court justice was stricken with nonsense as well ?

Blackmun, Roe V. Wade, in the statement, "Logically, of course, a legitimate state interest in this area need not stand or fall on acceptance of the belief that life begins at conception or at some other point prior to live birth."
 
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when you vote, you are absolutely granted the right to privacy. you are not required - by law - to have anybody see your vote behind that curtain or little cubicle or make you reveal your vote.

that same 'right' extends to what goes on within the walls of a private home or a doctor's office.

i'd attach the right to privacy to having equal protection under the law.
Fine that you would, but where is that right spelled out in the US Constitution? Do you believe it is in there?
 
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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
The Fourth Amendment is almost entirely about privacy. Actually, so is the Third Amendment, but it's not so obvious unless you really understand the background of it.
How so? If I were a constructionist or texualist, strict or loose, how would you convince me? Where is privacy mentioned?Major Originalist like Judge Robert Bork in his ill-fated Supreme Court confirmation hearings, have argued that no right of privacy exists.
The impetus of this thread alludes to a political narrative that a right ( a rite , a write , a wright ) to privacy for abortion does not exist through Exegesis - Wikipedia and is actually Eisegesis - Wikipedia of the us constitution .

As has been stipulated , US 14th Amendment Establishes Negative Liberty of Individuals to Acquire Abortion .

As a fae fee fie foe fue fye to us is private property the mother , a wright of privacy is entitled secondarily by the us 4th amendment .

A deduction that a faeiouy is private property occurs directly through an inference from naturalism , where natural freedoms are exchanged for wrights of reprise established through a constitution , a state is comprised of citizens and it is for citizens that a state is established for reprise .

As the constitution establishes that citizenship occurs at birth , that rigorously defines any and all seeking equal protection must be born , which exactly founds the Blackmun ' s opinion in the Roe w Wade decision .

Now roe v wade stipulated that abortion is legal until birth and concluded that after natural viability a states interest grows and that states may proscribe abortion thereafter when parturition became a relative standard for birth .

And , yet , with amnesia brought on by arrogance and by ignorance , it is those who maintain that negative liberties for abortion are not assured by the constitution who have an audacity to swear that others do not understand the constitution !

* Reverberation Concerning Exceptions Rules *

Since a requirement of birth according to the us constitution does not answer whether abortion is ethical , the remaining standard is to establish that a physical capacity for sentience satisfies a criteria against cruel or unusual treatment as per the 8th amendment , and corroborated in 7th law of noah .

These are examples of issuance against tortuous treatment , while Eighth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia , " Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.[2] " ; and , Seven Laws of Noah - Wikipedia , " Not to eat flesh torn from a living animal. " .

* Heckling Political Cinema Of Commode Theatrics *

Be wary of those seeking to implement tyranny by majority or tyranny buy minority against negative liberties assured to individualism through non aggression principles .

These days those to be wary refer to themselves as anti-federalists , as they shine gazes of contempt they hope to deflect a bent as statists seeking to implement illegitimate aggression through tyranny by majority , or tyranny buy minority , against the negative liberties of individualism assured through principles of non aggression as well as through us constitution .

Thus to the anti-fedederalist statists , the 9th and 10th us amendments establish a precedence for this individualist as both anti-statists and anti-federalists .

* Kitchen Sink Plumbing *

The heretics of antinomianism within a reich wing , against whom-in-who non aggression principles have NOT been violated , are seeking to issue a retort of illegitimate aggression against negative liberties of individual citizens , on behalf of that which has not met a requirement of birth for equal protection .

It is individual citizens who are responsible for self ownership to include genetic continuance , such means that collectives of federalists , or collectives of statists , or collectives of private individuals masquerading as both , DO NOT determine the means or methods chosen by individual citizens to ensure their own genetic survival , especially given its assurances through constitutional protection as well as its ethical conciliation from naturalism .

* High Lighted Bill Of Wrights Order Of Precedence *

Core negative liberties include self owner ship ( free roam , free association , self preservation ) and self determine nation ( private property - free enterprise , will full intentions ) .

The Fourth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs privacy of self ownership and self determination without just cause .
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects,[a] against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.[2]
The Fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia directs just compensation for assertive actions of government against self determination .
No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the Militia, when in actual service in time of War or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offence to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law;nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation.
* Autonomy Accountability Specifications Due Knot Available *

The us 9th amendment occurs before the us 10th amendment in the bill of wrights and thereby stipulates that individualism reigns supreme over statism or federalism .

Ninth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.[1]
Tenth Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia
The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.[5]
* Hell Low Others Seen *

An example of a wright to privacy occurs with every Search and seizure - Wikipedia , as a wright to privacy requires technical procedures for a search , including consent , which must be followed as an example of enforcement of the us fourth amendment .

The Second Amendment to the United States Constitution - Wikipedia is based upon individual accountability , where individuals are ultimately responsible for survival of their own identity .
A well-known theorem holds that an infinite number of monkeys at an infinite number of keyboards would produce copies of all known works of literature.

However, as we can all clearly see here, one monkey at one keyboard only produces meaningless nonsense.
too funny
 

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Swing Justice Potter Stewart and Justice Hugo Black disagreed in Griswold v Connecticut. The decision was 7 - 2 in favor. The big deal was Justice Douglas, ultra liberal accused-activist Judge. Doe any of it matter?

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Does the Constitution protect the right of marital privacy against state restrictions on a couple's ability to be counseled in the use of contraceptives?

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My Question(s): Do you stand on principle, or do you agree or disagree because of personalities involved or a judicial philosophy?

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Does a Right to Privacy Exist somewhere with in the US Constitution, and if so can you point to it?
Does a Right to Privacy Exist in the US Constitution?

No but it should and I support it
 

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The right to be let alone is fundamental. Privacy is liberty. Where there is no privacy there is no liberty.

OP, your shortcoming is not with the Constitution. Your shortcoming is that you do not understand the principles of Individual liberty or its primary foundation for moral code. And these must be accepted or rejected as an Indivisible whole. They cannot be accepted or rejected piece meal.

Safety and security is the goal of a slave owner.
 
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Charles-Louis de Secondat, Baron de La Brède et de Montesquieu said: "The political liberty of the subject is a tranquility of mind arising from the opinion each person has of his safety."

Rakove suggests (seriously informed opinion) that beside life and property, liberty was a third most important right of the colonists. Rakove writes "Liberty was also a behavior that was often defined in relation to its deviant opposite, licentiousness. Much as the concept of rights often implied a set of duties and obligations, so true liberty had to be exercised with restraint.

I refer to others because they make the case most eloquently for what the founders believed and where they were coming from. The colonists were subjects, and not citizens, and lived in an altogether different era. Understanding and meanings of concepts have evolved since their time, and had evolved between their time, and the eras of the people they were appealing to as experts and philosophers, as guides for an experiment in self governing.

Free speech was often not about the average subject, but about the right of elected parliamentarians to be heard. Privacy as a concept was much different than you or I would argue about it.

The founding generation of what became the USA, was flying by the seat of their pants on issues of freedom, liberty, and rights. They were experimenting. They had thrown off the protections and burdens of being subjects, and began experimenting with viewing themselves as citizens. Quite often, the views the leaders may have held during the debates in the Continental Congresses, sometimes evolved and sometimes were thrown away as practical experiences in governing (think Madison on seeing the executive branches as a bigger threat than the legislative branches, and doing a complete 180 degree turn on that by 1787), convinced some that they were wrong in many assumptions of human behavior and government.

I can and will go on
 

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Do you even know what 'liberty' is?
Freedom from government-over-man. This is all that it means in relation to our compound Republic.

I'd add that liberty should never be spoken or written absent the term responsibility. Liberty-Responsibility. That is to say that for every such right there is a correlative, inseparable duty and for every aspect of freedom there is a corresponding responsibility; so that it is always Right-Duty and Freedom-Responsibility, or Liberty- Responsibility. There is a duty, or responsibility, to God as the giver of these unalienable rights: a moral duty to keep secure and use soundly these gifts, with due respect for the equal rights of others and for the right of Posterity to their just heritage of liberty. Since this moral duty cannot be surrendered, bartered, given away, abandoned, delegated or otherwise alienated, so is the inseparable right likewise unalienable.

The latter few sentences are referenced from a great book on the topic to save me some typing, but rather concise and clearly written if I do say so myself. The American ideal of 1776: the twelve basic American principles by Hamilton Abert Long, 1976.

But I assure you I'm fully capable of expanding upon it myself, if necessary. :)


But I will show you what a true believer in liberty is like. pay attention
Ha. You are out of your league, meat. But I'll permit you the courtesy of educating me. I like to learn. It's one of my favorite things to do. Heh heh. Show us that wisdom of yours.
 
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