CDZ Do you want to protect schoolchildren right now or not?

[Captain Caveman]

Are you okay?

I'm grand, it's the gun nuts you guys need to watch out for. More guns, shoot first, that keeps the soaring deaths down. AR-15's *mouth froth*

The sooner the 2nd Amendment is scrapped, the better.

 

[HenryBHough]

Fences are not always an answer. They not only keep all but the very determined OUT; they keep others IN.
Teachers and he many uncredentialed non-teaching personnel - even security people - are not routinely psychologically examined. One such person having a bad day could turn violent. That, of course, could be minimized were the schools searched each day for hidden weapons with critical attention focused on everyday items that COULD be used violently. Detailed searches of anyone seeking to enter the controlled area would need to be mandatory. Perhaps the TSA type booths? But how about holding areas for those waiting their turn through the machine? If they're standing in line outside the controlled area they're vulnerable to being run down by an angry driver.

The better answer seems to be elimination of concentrations of the vulnerable. That is, mandate home schooling.

I'm aware of how silly this might sound to those dedicated to the status quo. It sounded silly to me at first when I began hearing the radio ads for home schooling programs and then started seeing the TV commercials featuring the happy families gathered around their "learning tables" learning each from their own personal device. Not a real computer; that could access "undesirable" material. Special devices requiring (free) access to government provided educational services.

If we're doing to prevent mass violence we must minimize the gathering together of people. Not just children; of any age. Covid proved it can be done - but we'll need voluntary cooperation or strong enforcement.

 

[flan327]

I'm grand, it's the gun nuts you guys need to watch out for. More guns, shoot first, that keeps the soaring deaths down. AR-15's *mouth froth*

The sooner the 2nd Amendment is scrapped, the better.

No junior

The Second Amendment STAYS

CAPISCH?

 

[eagle1462010]

The gun nuts' religion is the 2nd Amendment, they go by blind faith in it

Shall not be infringedconfuses you. Too fucking bad

 

[SavannahMann]

I recall a time when Alex Jones insisted that all the security initiatives like fences were a UN plot to turn schools into FEMA prisons. Now we are freaking out that schools aren't locked down like prisons.

Oh don’t worry. Ten seconds after Biden announced such a plan the same people screaming this is the only feasible plan will be screaming it is an effort to trap the kids into Gay and Bisexual education brainwashing the kids into becoming hood Democrats. Or something.

 

[flan327]

Shall not be infringedconfuses you. Too fucking bad

MILITIA

 

[M14 Shooter]

MILITIA

Your argument was dismissed 2 decades ago.

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home

 

[flan327]

Your argument was dismissed 2 decades ago.

The Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home

Link?

 

[Open Bolt]

Link?

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/boundvolumes/554bv.pdf

The majority opinion in Heller (written by Justice Scalia) starts on page 573 as the numbers are printed on the pages. It is page 601 out of a total of 852 as the pages are counted in the PDF document.

 

[Open Bolt]

MILITIA

The right to keep and bear arms is held by the people, not limited to members of an organized militia.

 

[Open Bolt]

Free to shoot kids.

That is incorrect. Murder is a serious crime here. No one is free to do it.

Take many of the EU countries

Actually no. There is a swath of countries from Finland through Switzerland who insist on being free.

and the likes of the UK, New Zealand, and Australia. They have two things in common, firstly, they have guns but they're regulated, and these countries experience a mass shooting on average nearly every decade.

Their lack of freedom is not related to their lack of massacres.

Massacres were rare in those countries even back when they were still free.

Now take America, free to wander about with loaded guns, and they experience hundreds of mass shootings a year. Their answer is, more guns and shoot first.

Our freedom is not the cause of our massacres. People would still carry out massacres here even if we gave up our freedom.

But... it should be noted that even if it was actually true that our freedom caused these massacres, we would still insist on being free.

It doesn't take an Einstein to see why America has a gun problem, it's called the 2nd Amendment

America does not have a gun problem.

and gun nuts.

Can we skip the name calling?

The sooner the 2nd Amendment is scrapped, the better.

Americans would rather die.

 

[flan327]

The right to keep and bear arms is held by the people, not limited to members of an organized militia.

But the ORIGINAL INTENT

 

[flan327]

That is incorrect. Murder is a serious crime here. No one is free to do it.



Actually no. There is a swath of countries from Finland through Switzerland who insist on being free.



Their lack of freedom is not related to their lack of massacres.

Massacres were rare in those countries even back when they were still free.



Our freedom is not the cause of our massacres. People would still carry out massacres here even if we gave up our freedom.

But... it should be noted that even if it was actually true that our freedom caused these massacres, we would still insist on being free.



America does not have a gun problem.



Can we skip the name calling?



Americans would rather die.

And they will

 

[Dayton3]

Sorry, they spent all that money we didn't have on Ukraine....Gotta keep the arms manufactures and those PAC donations fat.

Your post is lacking in intelligence.

 

[Open Bolt]

But the ORIGINAL INTENT

The original intent is that the entire people have the right to keep and bear arms, not merely members of an organized militia.

And they will

Better to die free than to live without freedom.

But people will not die because of the right to keep and bear arms. Statistics are quite clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

 

[frigidweirdo]

The school year is basically over or about to be over across the country, and summer vacation is upon us and the kids. So what can we do between now and September to make our schools safer? Let's be honest, there is no way a ban on assault weapons, however they are defined, is going to happen between now and then. We may have some form of bipartisan national gun control legislation at some point, but IMHO it ain't likely and probably not until after the election. Maybe some states will take action of some sort, but before September? I kinda doubt that, so is it not the best thing to do to make our schools safer and more secure in the meantime?

As I see it, one requirement is surveillance outside the school, is somebody headed this way? That means cameras and somebody to monitor them during the school day until the kids have all left. It also means a few security people outside the buildings while the kids are out there coming to school or going home or at recess. You can make the school buildings harder to get into but you have to be watchful for somebody who tries to shoot as many kids as possible before they get into the building or while they're leaving.

It seems to me that we've got to be more attentive to the troubled school kids too. If a kid is acting aggressively or abusively then they need to be identified and watched. Who is being bullied and who is doing the bullying. We gotta do better at stopping that crap before it gets to be a bigger problem. That means more surveillance and a few more counselors to work with the troubled kids, both victims and abusers. Parents have to be notified as necessary.

No doubt there are a number of things that can be done to improve school security. For instance, you can't leave an external door propped open, and those doors shouldn't be opened by shooting the locks. It seems to me that if properly installed and with proper training that arming teachers might not really be necessary if the bad guys can't get into the building and the cops are called sooner when trouble looks like it's headed towards one of our schools. 100 false alarms is better than 99 false alarms and one mass shooting.

1) Change the way adults vote. The system leads to corrupt politicians who are making the country go crazy

2) see number 1

 

[flan327]

The original intent is that the entire people have the right to keep and bear arms, not merely members of an organized militia.



Better to die free than to live without freedom.

But people will not die because of the right to keep and bear arms. Statistics are quite clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

You are welcome to choose death

How melodramatic

 

[Captain Caveman]

Better to die free than to live without freedom.

But people will not die because of the right to keep and bear arms. Statistics are quite clear that gun availability has little impact on homicide rates.

You equate that someone is only free because they can choose a gun??? Lmfao

You're so free, you lock more citizens up per capita than any other country. If I were you, I would put this "Free" fallacy to one side and look at gaining brains.

 

[eagle1462010]

You equate that someone is only free because they can choose a gun??? Lmfao

You're so free, you lock more citizens up per capita than any other country. If I were you, I would put this "Free" fallacy to one side and look at gaining brains.

Yes we don't like to let criminals run free.......and lock them up..........Good point. America got their shit together. Not so much for Swedes.......don't let the new Muslims SEE YOUR TITS...............they might have to Rape you............

Exactly how is that good for you.........that line of thinking is Muslim country madness.

 

[M14 Shooter]

Link?

You aren't familiar with the holding in DC v Heller?

DISTRICT OF COLUMBIA v. HELLER

www.law.cornell.edu