Do you think that if the blockade to Gaza was lifted today that the attacks against Israel would cea

[Humanity]

Its more than obvious that not only should the blockade remain in place but that it should be strengthened

Spoken like a true zionut

 

[Roudy]

Israel did the best thing handing Gaza over. They left and let the savages self destruct. All this money, toil, and blood spilled by Israel over a people ruled by genocidal Islamic savages.

 

[Phoenall]

At every stage of this conflict the body count tells the story.

Since October 155 Palestinians have died compared to 28 Israelis.

It is clear which party is the aggressor.

I doubt that low education bigots would understand this. You just want to kill muslims.

Nonsense, the objective of war is not to die in equal numbers.

The Japanese attacked US forces on Hawaii, by the end of the war US forces had killed vastly more Japanese than the Japanese had killed US forces. But your logic would have us believe that the US was the aggressor

If 100 palestinians try and bum rush Israeli's and 100 palestinians die vs only 20 or so Israeli's you'd prefer to pretend the palestinians didn't bum rush the Israeli's

Yours is a classic example of both false equivalency and revisionist thinking.

Not only should the blockade remain in place, but all aid should be removed from the auspices of the UNWRA ( an organization virtually 100% staffed and run by Arab Muslims who often enough are also members of the various Arab Muslim terrorist groups ) And placed either under Israeli military control or that of the ICRC.

The solution is to isolate the terrorists from the civilians and whatever legitimate refugees there might be and apply the Geneva conventions.

Rinse and repeat

Throw the bums out

I think you just proved my point.

And you have just proven that you are an idiot that cant see the reality. The Palestinians attack and get soundly beat, they have a no surrender policy so they die to a man. Now who is to blame for those deaths and why ? No doubt you advocate that terminally sick people should be left to infect the rest of humanity and not segregated and treated .

The majority of deaths are civilians.
Gaza crisis: Toll of operations in Gaza - BBC News

Until the Palestinians make them saints and start naming schools after them. Like the hamas report from some years ago showing the "civilians" killed by Israel and listed their occupations as rocket launcher, freedom fighter, ammunition carrier and other such "civilian" employments. Even Al Jazeera reported that the majority of deaths where terrorists fighting to wipe out the Jews.

 

[Phoenall]

Thought I would start this new thread rather than allowing the question to derail an ongoing OP...

The answer has to be, for me at least, I have no idea if Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel...

However, it wouldn't be a bad first step by Israel would it, in an attempt to finding a peaceful solution.

Let's face it, the blockade could VERY easily be reimplemented should Hamas be found to be firing rockets into Israel once the blockade were lifted...

Lift the blockade on the condition that no rockets are fired into Israel by Hamas.

Any Hamas rockets fired into Israel results in an immediate implementation of the blockade.

Easy right?

Hamas will, certainly. Their main objective is to get the siege lifted so they can start rebuilding Gaza in earnest, getting a port and airport functioning, etc. The same can't be said for the more extreme groups in Gaza, or for that matter Mossad operatives, both of which would prefer the status quo in place. The ocassional rocket landing in the desert has always been used by the Zionists to "reimpose a blockade" so your idea wouldn't necessarily work, regardless of who fired what, where.

The saddest part is that you really believe that Hamas' goal is improving Gaza.

Hamas' goal is to destroy Israel. Period

Hamas immediate objective is as I have stated above, to get the siege lifted, rebuild the place and get a functioning port and airport working. Hamas' ultimate goal is the dismantling of the Zionist Paradise in favour of a free Palestinian state, that is not in dispute.

I ask again WHAT SIEGE as none exists outside of your islamonazi fantasy world. The only policy hamas has is outlined in their charter and that clearly states the destruction of Israel, mass murder of the Jews and an Islamic caliphate ruling over all of Palestine. Try reading their charter that has not changed since hamas was invented

 

[Phoenall]

Its more than obvious that not only should the blockade remain in place but that it should be strengthened

Spoken like a true zionut

No comment on the link given showing that the blockade has been eased many times by Israel and the only answer has been increased violence and terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.

Your only answer to anything that destroys your fantasy world is to say that the rest of humanity are zionuts, which is rich coming from an islammoron that writes the scripts for Friday sermons.

 

[Phoenall]

Humanity, Tommy Tainant, et al,

Whatever else you might think of Israel, they did not become the most successful country in the immediate region through stupidity. You may not agree with the strategies they adopted, the paths they have taken, or the choices they have made; but in the overall ∑ total of all things considered --- not bad.

Don't think for a minute that they have not conducted a risk assessment on the probable outcomes to the question of lifting the blockade. The facts on the ground have changed and seemed constantly moving; so the "Risk Assessment" is constantly up-dated.

And there is the political angle to consider. If Israel were to relax or lift the Naval Blockade today, that would be propagandized as both a military and political victory for HAMAS and essentially vindicating the violence employed and the strategies used to break the (so-called) siege. Each time HAMAS attempts to exploit the actions of Israel, relative to the conditions in which they find themselves, the aggravate the conditions more and actually induce a setback. AND, every time HAMAS or the Palestinian terrorist in general, conduct hostile operations, then they cannot even used the provisions of Article 6, Fourth Geneva Convention, to end application of the Convention for one-year after the close of military operations. Every time HAMAS, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad, the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (all splinter groups), and the martyr's brigades (eg al-Aqsa and al-Qassam) opens up hostilities, the the clock is reset. There has no been a continuous year of non-violence since the time the Arab-Palestinians first pledged there would be no peace, when the Khartoum Resolution reaffirmed it, and as Khaled Meshaal repeated in the last several years.

Thought I would start this new thread rather than allowing the question to derail an ongoing OP...

The answer has to be, for me at least, I have no idea if Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel...

However, it wouldn't be a bad first step by Israel would it, in an attempt to finding a peaceful solution.

Let's face it, the blockade could VERY easily be reimplemented should Hamas be found to be firing rockets into Israel once the blockade were lifted...

Lift the blockade on the condition that no rockets are fired into Israel by Hamas.

Any Hamas rockets fired into Israel results in an immediate implementation of the blockade.

Easy right?

(COMMENT)

There is no reason to believe that the Hostile Arab Palestinians will adopt a non-violent posture upon lifting the Naval Blockade. The Palestinians will simply exploit the Mediterranean gateway to smuggle more weapons.

* Example:

On 5 March, the Israeli Navy intercepted a ship containing dozens of long-range rockets being smuggled from Iran to the Gaza Strip.​

Anything which helped those people would be welcomed.However it would need to be accompanied by the Israelis stopping their random slaughter.

(COMMENT)

There is no "random slaughter" on the part of the Israelis. Israel has been under intense scrutiny by the UN Membership, select UN Activities and NGOs, since the turn of the century. And each time Israel has taken action against the Palestinians, there were numerous Hostile Arab Palestinian attacks that preceded the Israeli Response.

Security Council Resolution 2220 (2015) EXCERPTS:
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Noting that this resolution focuses on the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, including in respect of Council-mandated arms embargoes,

Gravely concerned that the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons in many regions of the world continue to pose threats to international peace and security, cause significant loss of life, contribute to instability and insecurity and continue to undermine the effectiveness of the Security Council in discharging its primary responsibility for the maintenance of international peace and security,

Page 4/9
Expressing its determination to implement existing and to take further practical steps to prevent the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, including in support of other ongoing processes,

1. Welcomes efforts made by Member States, regional and subregional organizations in addressing the illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons, and encourages the establishment or strengthening, where appropriate, of subregional and regional cooperation, coordination and information sharing mechanisms, in particular, transborder customs cooperation and networks for information-sharing, with a view to preventing, combating, and eradicating illicit transfer, destabilizing accumulation and misuse of small arms and light weapons;

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10. Recognizes the need for Member States to put in place, where they do not exist, adequate laws, regulations and administrative procedures to exercise effective control over the production of small arms and light weapons within their areas of jurisdiction and over the export, import, transit or retransfer of such we apons, in order to prevent illegal manufacture of and illicit trafficking in small arms and light weapons, or their diversion to unauthorized recipients;​

SOURCE: S/RES/2220 (2015)

This tells you that the UN is fully aware, at some level, that the Palestinians are attempting to illicitly import weapons from numerous sources. I encourage you to read the "Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) Report S/2015/289 on the issue.

"HAMAS and Jordanian Brotherhood Smuggle Weapons into Palestinian Territories" EXCERPTS
IPT News Service 2 December 2014

The Israeli Navy has foiled numerous attempts to smuggle weapons to Hamas off the coast of Gaza since the end of last summer's war.
"There have been a number of smuggling attempts in recent months that we have thwarted. We are monitoring the area day and night; thwarting smuggling is one of central missions," a senior Israeli navy source told the Jerusalem Post.
Meanwhile, members of Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood reportedly tried to create a secret military organization planning terrorist attacks in the West Bank, senior Jordanian sources told Al-Hayat.
Jordanian officials arrested 21 Muslim Brotherhood personnel for smuggling money and weapons into the West Bank. Two of the suspects were charged with getting military training in Gaza.
The Jordanian sources revealed that "these two young men tried to train other Muslim Brotherhood members in order to carry out operations in the occupied West Bank." Salah al-Arouri, a senior Hamas official based in Turkey, also came up in the investigation.
These allegations come after Israeli authorities thwarted a large-scale transnational Hamas network planning to attack Israelis in Jerusalem, the West Bank and overseas. Hamas' new headquarters in Turkey reportedly oversees the terrorist organization's West Bank operations.
SOURCE: Investigative Project on Terrorism

(SIDEBAR)

There is no question that the Palestinians have mounted a superior campaign for hearts and minds on social media. This propaganda program has multiple purposes and multiple fronts, but its most immediate effect was to open an extremely exploitable exposé on three fronts:

• The disparity between civilian deaths; as if the casualties on each side must be equal. Do not make association relative to Customary Law Rules 23 and 24.

• To make an association between Israeli Security Barriers and "apartheid" and playing the "race card" at every opportunity. This disguises three factors:

∆ The actual mean in ICC Code of the Crime of "Apartheid."
∆ The fact that Israel has more racially diverse population than the Palestinians.
∆ That there are people trying to break-in to Israel from Africa. The number of immigrants that arrived illegally was estimated to be 26,635 in 2010, and over 55,000 during the period 2010 to 2012. The Palestinians do not have an illegal immigration problem. It is the Hashemite Kingdom that has a control problem with Palestinians illegally crossing into Jordan. ​

There is no reason to suggest that the Hostile Arab Palestinians will cease operations against Israel, when that is blockade is simply one of their goals. Just as the old Palestine National Charter (1968) indicated, and as the HAMAS Policy (2012) describes today, Israel is not a country by a province of Palestine.

Some of what we will put forth would fall under the category of fundamentals and principles, and some under policies and positions. These are summed up as follows: (2 of 19 Points)

1. Palestine, from its river to its sea, from its north to its south, is the land of the Palestinians; their homeland, and their legitimate right. We will not relinquish an inch or any part of it -for any reason or under any circumstances and pressures.

2. Palestine, in its entirety, is an Arab and Islamic land. It has Islamic and Arab affiliations and is considered a blessed and sacred land. Moreover, it has a special place in the heart of every Arab and Muslim, as well as standing and respect in all religions.
​

Or we can to the beginning:

In conclusion, the Arab Higher Committee Delegation wishes to stress the following:

(a) The Arabs of Palestine will never recognise the validity of the extorted partition recommendations or the authority of the United Nations to make them.
(b) The Arabs of Palestine consider that any attempt by the Jews or any power group of powers to establish a Jewish state in Arab territory is an act of aggression which will be resisted in self-defense.
(c) It is very unwise and fruitless to ask any commission to proceed to Palestine because not a single Arab will cooperate with the said Commission.
(d) The United Nations or its Commission should not be misled to believe that its efforts in the partition plan will meet with any success. It will be far better for the eclipsed prestige of this organization not to start on this adventure.
(e) The United Nations prestige will be better served by abandoning, not enforcing such an injustice.
(f) The determination of every Arab in Palestine is to oppose in every way the partition of that country.
(g) The Arabs of Palestine made a solemn declaration before the United Nations, before God and history, that they will never submit or yield to any power going to Palestine to enforce partition. The only way to establish partition is first to wipe them out — man, woman and child.
​

As long as there is a State of Israel WHERE the Jewish People can construct a safe haven, free from the political expedient expulsions; --- a land where they can preserve and protect their culture from the excesses of outside leaders acting under the color of law; there will be an opposition. In 1891 it was the Czar, 1933 it was the NAZI supported by England and the US, and today it is the Arab, supported by the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R

This tells you that the UN is fully aware, at some level, that the Palestinians are attempting to illicitly import weapons from numerous sources. I encourage you to read the "Small Arms and Light Weapons (SALW) Report S/2015/289 on the issue.​

So?

It is a war crime and a crime against humanity, So when will you condemn them and demand that the UN takes action to bring it to an end.

 

[Billo_Really]

Thought I would start this new thread rather than allowing the question to derail an ongoing OP...

The answer has to be, for me at least, I have no idea if Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel...

However, it wouldn't be a bad first step by Israel would it, in an attempt to finding a peaceful solution.

Let's face it, the blockade could VERY easily be reimplemented should Hamas be found to be firing rockets into Israel once the blockade were lifted...

Lift the blockade on the condition that no rockets are fired into Israel by Hamas.

Any Hamas rockets fired into Israel results in an immediate implementation of the blockade.

Easy right?

The first thing you need to do, is put the blockade in perspective.

1. The blockade started as punitive punishment for the results of the 2006 election, when Gazan's did not vote for one of Israel's puppets in Fatah.
2. The blockade collectively punishes all 1.5 million Gazan's and therefore, is classified as a "crime against humanity".
3. There was a ceasefire in 2008 and for 4 months, rocket attacks went down to virtually zero "0", but ended when Israel launched a commando raid into Gaza to execute Hamas members.

Since the last ceasefire in August 2014, Israel has attacked Gaza 696 times, to only 29 rocket attacks, yet, all we seem to want to talk about, is the rocket attacks, as if that was the big issue here.

On at least 3 different occasions, Hamas has shown it's willingness to seek a lasting peace with Israel, but on all 3 occasions, Israel was unwilling to reciprocate.

If Israel ended the blockade; stopped its (almost weekly) missile and drone strikes; stopped its sniper fire of Palestinian fishermen and farmers; demonstrated respect for sovereign borders by eliminating its bogus "buffer zone"; stopped targeting Hamas members; then yes, absolutely, the rocket attacks would cease.

Here's a question:
How are the rocket attacks supposed to stop, when Israel keeps executing the very people (Hamas security forces), who's job it is to stop them?

 

[Billo_Really]

LOL

I can just picture the pali's debating their response. Not quite sure who to slap or shoot first.

Asking Israel to drop its guard is ludicrous. Its a perfect example of putting the cart before the horse.

The only effective solution will be when Israel takes the bull by the horns and does two things in unison.

1) Throw the UNWRA out of the country and invite the ICRC in with the agreement that they only hire out from a neutral third country to be agreed on. Say Canadians or Chinese, whatever but enough of the Arab Muslim terrorists running aid and arms for the Arab Muslim terrorists

2) Follow the Geneva conventions for the treatment of POWs and civilians.

This isn't actually all that hard once you get rid of the Arab Muslim terrorist run UNWRA.

Cordon off and completely embargo all Arab communities within Israel and set up ICRC aid stations in adjacent heavily militarized determination stations which are designed to assign temporary legal status to those wishing to sign up to receive aid.

Those deemed combatants, having aided combatants or those suspected of engaging in hostile acts against the state exactly as specified under the conventions should be immediately arrested and detained as POWs ready for repatriation to a neutral third country.

Throw the bums out.

Those deemed eligible for aid or civilians "may" be returned to their places of residence at the earliest practicable time. which means they go to an internment camp where aid is distributed within the camp until they can be returned to whatever camp they came from originally.

Israel could solve this problem one camp at a time any time they want. Its just a matter of time.

Repeat as necessary

Problem solved.

It would cost Israel two POW camps one for woman and one for men exactly as specified within the conventions and one internment camp for families although I suppose they could use palestinian taxes to pay for the whole thing. Sweep the palestinian enclaves one at a time.

 

[Billo_Really]

Anything that will help Israelis to stop dying will be welcome.

The Gazans can drink Gaza water.

Before or after, you deliberately bombed their only water treatment facility, which BTW, is a war crime?

 

[Billo_Really]

The saddest part is that you really believe that Hamas' goal is improving Gaza.

Hamas' goal is to destroy Israel. Period

If that was true, then why is Israel the one breaking all the ceasefires?

You're so full of shit!

 

[Billo_Really]

Of course, they'll stop firing rockets.

They won't need them, as soon as their men will have free access to Israel. Why do you need rockets when you can arm your guys with explosive belts instead. much more useful.

You attacked Gaza 696 times AFTER the ceasefire went into effect!

Fuck you!

 

[Humanity]

No comment on the link given showing that the blockade has been eased many times by Israel and the only answer has been increased violence and terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.

Eased the blockade but the blockade still remained....

So, in other words, slightly loosened the iron fist around Gazas neck but the iron fist remained!

Increased violence after easing the iron fist? Link?

 

[Phoenall]

Correct as the smuggling is for terrorist purposes and is against the UN charter. But you don't think that International law should apply to muslims, and hat the Geneva conventions only apply to those nations being attacked by islamonazi terrorists. I wonder what you would do if the muslims of Brick lane stated to fire rockets at your part of the Capital ?

 

[Phoenall]

...and today it is the Arab, supported by the UN.

Which particular "Arab" is that then?

All of those ones that see violence and terrorism as the only way to gain the upper hand

 

[Phoenall]

Of course, they'll stop firing rockets.

They won't need them, as soon as their men will have free access to Israel. Why do you need rockets when you can arm your guys with explosive belts instead. much more useful.

You attacked Gaza 696 times AFTER the ceasefire went into effect!

Fuck you!

How about a link showing this, so we can destroy your credibility and show that you are a Jew hater using Jew hate sites for your evidence

 

[Phoenall]

No comment on the link given showing that the blockade has been eased many times by Israel and the only answer has been increased violence and terrorist attacks by the Palestinians.

Eased the blockade but the blockade still remained....

So, in other words, slightly loosened the iron fist around Gazas neck but the iron fist remained!

Increased violence after easing the iron fist? Link?

Given and it shows that you are completely wrong in your clams. The easement from 2004 is still in place as are all the others and have never been put back in force. What has been the Palestinians response to these easements other than to spread more blood libels, propaganda and lies while increasing the levels of violence. So as the evidence shows it is the Palestinians increasing the violence which results in an Israeli response.

Once again you are proven wrong and once again you deflect and derail because the evidence is against you.

 

[Billo_Really]

How about a link showing this, so we can destroy your credibility and show that you are a Jew hater using Jew hate sites for your evidence

As you wish...

UK government: 700 Israeli attacks on Gaza since 2014 ceasefire

UK: Israel Attacked Gaza 696 Times Since Most Recent Ceasefire

UK: Israel has Attacked Gaza 696 Times Since Most Recent Ceasefire​

...now go ahead, trash your own country.

 

[Phoenall]

The Israeli illegal occupation needs to end. The poor Palestinians are living in a prison but so are the Israeli people.

Israel/Palestine

Israel doesnt look like the victim in this report.

Written by anti semites and neo Nazis with not a grain of truth in it

 

[Phoenall]

Israel isn't the victim because it knows how to defend itself and deal with Islamic Nazis. There is no "illegal occupation" or ANYTHING as far as Gaza is concerned.

Paragraph 1
Israel continued in 2015 to enforce severe and discriminatory restrictions on Palestinians’ human rights, and to build unlawful settlements in and facilitate the transfer of Israeli civilians to the occupied West Bank. Israeli authorities also arbitrarily detained peaceful Palestinian demonstrators, including children.

Yet International law and the Oslo accords state that the settlements are lawful. what human rights are restricted by Israel that are not covered in the Geneva conventions regarding occupied territory.

They only enforce the laws of the nation that was sovereign at the time of the occupation, so when you complain about Israel implementing those laws you are showing the disregard that Jordan has for human rights and justice. By the way there have never been any peaceful Palestinian demonstrations as the video's have shown, they always resort to stone throwing, petrol bombs and burning tyres before the terrorists start firing their guns at the Israeli's standing well back.

Only a complete moron would deny this is the case

 

[Phoenall]

Thought I would start this new thread rather than allowing the question to derail an ongoing OP...

The answer has to be, for me at least, I have no idea if Hamas would stop firing rockets into Israel...

However, it wouldn't be a bad first step by Israel would it, in an attempt to finding a peaceful solution.

Let's face it, the blockade could VERY easily be reimplemented should Hamas be found to be firing rockets into Israel once the blockade were lifted...

Lift the blockade on the condition that no rockets are fired into Israel by Hamas.

Any Hamas rockets fired into Israel results in an immediate implementation of the blockade.

Easy right?

Right after Israel handed the keys to a Jew free Gaza, the Palestinians elected Hamas, a terrorist organization who then started shooting rockets and suicide bombing Israelis, as a way to thank them for giving them their so called land back. So anybody who thinks that lifting the blockade would cause Hamas to stop shooting rockets is probably on hallucinatory drugs. Hamas animals only understand one language. Their ultimate stated goal is the total destruction of Israel, therefore no negotiation.

I love the way the 'peaceful pro Israelis' are able to have an open mind...

Rather than your racism, your Islamophobic hatred, why not come up with a peaceful solution?

Shit, I'm responding to Roodboy... That ain't ever gonna happen...

However, let me offer a little clause for this 'lifting of the blockade'....

How about, as a condition of lifting the blockade, part of the agreement is that there is a free and open election in Gaza...???

As I have proven the Israeli's have tried the peaceful solution to the problem, and it has failed because the Palestinians are not interested in anything but total domination.

Do you islamonazi defenders of terrorism have open minds or are they immersed in Jew hatred and anti Semitism because of your abject irrational fear phobia of all things Jewish.

How about you give up making demands and start telling the Palestinians they are losing the battle for hearts and minds. It is hamas that is stopping the free and fair elections as they refuse to meet and set the date, and because the required quorum is never achieved there will never be another election in gaza.


So how about an admittance from you that you have been spreading lies about the Jews and Israel because you know no better and was paid to do so.