Do you have a problem with children and parents being detained in separate facilities?

[eagle1462010]

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I don't and I fail to see ANY problem.

Wouldnt a wall solve this problem? I do believe it would.

HOW? These people are coming through the gate, and asking for asylum...they are turning themselves in. A wall or no wall, will not stop any asylum seekers, not a single one.... as said, to seek asylum, they just turn themselves in, right at the gate.

5 year back log of cases.................without court increases we are screwed.

 

[DOTR]

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I don't and I fail to see ANY problem.

Wouldnt a wall solve this problem? I do believe it would.

HOW? These people are coming through the gate, and asking for asylum...they are turning themselves in. A wall or no wall, will not stop any asylum seekers, not a single one.... as said, to seek asylum, they just turn themselves in, right at the gate.

5 year back log of cases.................without court increases we are screwed.

Asylum is being abused.

 

[HappyJoy]

These are not the criminals you are looking for.

JOHN MOORE VIA GETTY IMAGES
A 2-year-old Honduran asylum seeker cries as her mother is searched and detained Tuesday near the border in McAllen, Texas.

Yep, they are. Those are the ones we’re looking for.

Nope, they are doing it the right way, presenting themselves to border patrol. Why can't you people at least live in reality? Just say you don't want any immigration (from our southern border), some of you are honest about that.

Happy, are you SURE the people being arrested weren't caught and THEN said the magic word "asylum?"

I'm sure it happens and the refugee process will sort out whether they have a real case or not. However no doubt there is an increase of refugees from Central America escaping violence, intimidation, rape and murder, it's not make believe. While illegal border crossing is still at near lows.

That's what I've been reading. There is no legal reason to detain an asylum seeker who presents themselves legally at the border. What most illegals are doing is asking for asylum if they're caught. It gives them more time and a better chance of being released awaiting trial, so they can disappear into the country.

Like I said, the process should sort it out, it's not like they get to say "hey, I'm a refugee, call me a cab", they don't just get to stroll on by.

I never said it was "make believe" the situation in their home countries. I feel bad for them and I wouldn't be opposed to increasing the number of "refugees" (which is basically what they are) from Central America. Until that happens, though, the administration has made a perfect mess of this whole thing by not thinking ahead about what they were going to do with all these folks they decided to get "tough" on. I'm sure border patrol knew it. I'm sure the administration didn't listen. All they care about is November 2018.

Sorry about that, when I said 'make believe' I was characterizing those defending Trump's policy, I see it all too often. Of course there will be those who try to game the system, but there are hearings put into place and an entire justice system that is designed to sort it out.

I think the administration, Sessions to be specific is purposefully doing this. In the eyes of the administration 'the mess' is that there is backlash on this point and that most Americans don't want to see their government ripping families apart. Or, at least that's my opinion.

Much of what is happening in Central America now we have contributed to it. Obama and other presidents didn't get it right and Trump is now just piling on. Reagan helped destabilize the region funding right wing militias, cratering government and economies and then from there we have been deporting criminals back to these countries who in turn took advantage of the conditions we created. I believe we have some responsibility to those now fleeing the violence.

Here is an article form 2014, not about Trump but a left of center president taking a conservative stance, it;s a good read.

How the US’s Foreign Policy Created an Immigrant Refugee Crisis on Its Own Southern Border

Totally agree, we need to increase the number of refugees we take in but yes, that won't happen under a Republican administration. Then again, Trump's fan base approves of anything he does so I'm sure if Trump did the right thing they would follow along. George W. Bush didn't have that power.

 

[WillowTree]

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I don't and I fail to see ANY problem.

So many sick people here.

So why don’t ewe explain to the sick people why people from other countries can come in here and take what they think they need or just want? You know only 50% of us pay taxes that means we have to cover for the 50% who do not pay taxes and all the illegals. What about the concern for us. If someone walks into your house and takes what you have because he wants a better life then your life is diminished.

 

[HappyJoy]

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I don't and I fail to see ANY problem.

So many sick people here.

He neglected to tell you that his civil right to vote has not been restored.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Let's forget for a moment about the illegal entry, and lets look at what the effect of being separated from your family is................................

I was orphaned at 8, and spent the rest of my time in foster care until I ran away to live with my Grandparents the last year of H.S. Kids that are removed from their parents at an early age suffer from low self esteem, abandonment issues, and it can cause them to be afraid to have close relationships with other people. I know, because that is what happened to me. Through the help of some really good friends and a bit of counseling, I was able to exorcise most all of those demons and am now fairly happy and healthy.

However...........................I had one advantage that those kids on the border don't. Closure. I had attended my mother's funeral and knew that she was dead and I would never see her again. These kids on the border? They don't know where they are, where their parents are, if they will see them again, or if they are even alive. Stuff like that can really wear on a person, especially if they are a kid.

No. I don't think that separating the kids from their parents is either necessary or even a good idea because of all the mental damage it can do.

 

[HappyJoy]

No laws were enacted this year, this was merely a policy change by the Trump administration, nothing more.

Tell the Senate to stop blocking them then.............and tell the Dems to negotiate on these temp facilities.............they don't want these facilities.......they want them released and nothing more............and ignore the laws of this country as always.....

Only Republicans can block a vote, the guys you vote for. Sure, tell the Dems to fix a problem that Trump started. I agree they should however let's hold numbnuts in the White House responsible for the new policy they started.

Just curious, which Democrats are not negotiating?

There is an increase of refugees from Central America, we are facing a new problem. I have not claimed the kids are being treated unfairly other than that they should be with their parents when at all possible. So, nice strawman.

We are not responsible for all the problems in South America and Central America.............Certainly not the Socialism mass failure in Venezuela...........they need to solve their own problems.........

Not all problems, but we absolutely had a hand in this. Starting with Reagan and continuing through to Trump.

Yep, politicians haven't solved it, so making it worse is a solution?

Enforcing the laws is not making it worse............President's swear an oath to uphold the law..........don't like the laws change them........get your Dems involved in the increases needed for the flow..........in detention facilities.....and courts......manpower..............And tell them not to Earmark the hell out of it and build dang expensive facilities.........the facilities I showed are cost effective................we don't need their stupidity in action again.

What are you talking about? The Trump administration didn't just start enforcing laws, they changed how they do it.

I've heard the right call him the 'god emperor' right on this board of cultists.

He has a budget he could work with, since this administration created the problem then maybe they could also plot out a resolution. Of course they don't want to, they are happy to separate families, it's what they wanted to do in the first place.

Sarcasm escapes you............................He doesn't have the approval and budget for the facilities.........put it on his desk..........it is not his job to make the laws.........it is Congresses job...........and the Senate who are the death of most bills...........

Exactly.

My quote stands.

Republicans hold the purse strings and to say that the Trump administration isn't in charge of the money they are budgeted is disingenuous and they haven't even bothered to ask for more, then again you guys don't really want more money spent on this in the first place.

 

[Gracie]

When an American citizen is arrested for a crime. He is separated from his family and put in jail.

So why should illegals who have committed a criminal act by sneaking across our border be treated any different? ....

I wonder why separating them is even needed. Why do we have to support them when all they have to do is stuff them in a bus and drive them to the border/dump them off. NOT OUR PROBLEM. If they came in thru Mexico...take them to the borderline and shove them out the damn door.

 

[Geaux4it]

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I don't and I fail to see ANY problem.

Last I checked, those in local jails were solo, no family members.... What, jails suppose to be like Holiday inn?

-Geaux

 

[WillowTree]

Let's forget for a moment about the illegal entry, and lets look at what the effect of being separated from your family is................................

I was orphaned at 8, and spent the rest of my time in foster care until I ran away to live with my Grandparents the last year of H.S. Kids that are removed from their parents at an early age suffer from low self esteem, abandonment issues, and it can cause them to be afraid to have close relationships with other people. I know, because that is what happened to me. Through the help of some really good friends and a bit of counseling, I was able to exorcise most all of those demons and am now fairly happy and healthy.

However...........................I had one advantage that those kids on the border don't. Closure. I had attended my mother's funeral and knew that she was dead and I would never see her again. These kids on the border? They don't know where they are, where their parents are, if they will see them again, or if they are even alive. Stuff like that can really wear on a person, especially if they are a kid.

No. I don't think that separating the kids from their parents is either necessary or even a good idea because of all the mental damage it can do.

So again I ask, should all American inmates have their children with them? Yes or no?

 

[Missouri_Mike]

Let's forget for a moment about the illegal entry, and lets look at what the effect of being separated from your family is................................

I was orphaned at 8, and spent the rest of my time in foster care until I ran away to live with my Grandparents the last year of H.S. Kids that are removed from their parents at an early age suffer from low self esteem, abandonment issues, and it can cause them to be afraid to have close relationships with other people. I know, because that is what happened to me. Through the help of some really good friends and a bit of counseling, I was able to exorcise most all of those demons and am now fairly happy and healthy.

However...........................I had one advantage that those kids on the border don't. Closure. I had attended my mother's funeral and knew that she was dead and I would never see her again. These kids on the border? They don't know where they are, where their parents are, if they will see them again, or if they are even alive. Stuff like that can really wear on a person, especially if they are a kid.

No. I don't think that separating the kids from their parents is either necessary or even a good idea because of all the mental damage it can do.

Well that’s a bummer and all but leads me to two questions.

One, why ignore the law breaking part? If you went to foster care because she went to jail would you not put the blame on her?

Two, where were your grandparents from 8-17?

 

[Coyote]

I don't like it. I think it's inhumane and unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. If one of the immigrant parents has committed a serious crime, then, yes, segregate him or her from their kids. Otherwise, we need to keep parents and kids together if the parents' only crime was trying to enter America illegally to build a better life.

I think it adds to the deterrent. Until we get real border security I have zero issues with it.

So it is acceptable to punish children it it might deter the parents.

 

[Coyote]

...we need to keep parents and kids together if the parents' only crime was trying to enter America illegally to build a better life.

The illegal aliens are simply trying to steal a better life. If they wanted to build a better life, they would have their inbred offspring study English, and seek to enter the USA legally.

Inbred?

 

[Coyote]

I don't like it. I think it's inhumane and unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. If one of the immigrant parents has committed a serious crime, then, yes, segregate him or her from their kids. Otherwise, we need to keep parents and kids together if the parents' only crime was trying to enter America illegally to build a better life.

Bull shit. Coming here illegally is a serious crime

I consider rape and murder serious crimes. Not trespassing.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Let's forget for a moment about the illegal entry, and lets look at what the effect of being separated from your family is................................

I was orphaned at 8, and spent the rest of my time in foster care until I ran away to live with my Grandparents the last year of H.S. Kids that are removed from their parents at an early age suffer from low self esteem, abandonment issues, and it can cause them to be afraid to have close relationships with other people. I know, because that is what happened to me. Through the help of some really good friends and a bit of counseling, I was able to exorcise most all of those demons and am now fairly happy and healthy.

However...........................I had one advantage that those kids on the border don't. Closure. I had attended my mother's funeral and knew that she was dead and I would never see her again. These kids on the border? They don't know where they are, where their parents are, if they will see them again, or if they are even alive. Stuff like that can really wear on a person, especially if they are a kid.

No. I don't think that separating the kids from their parents is either necessary or even a good idea because of all the mental damage it can do.

So again I ask, should all American inmates have their children with them? Yes or no?

Well, that is kind of an interesting question. Because there are jails where the mother is allowed to have their newborn with her in jail.

Raising babies behind bars

But, you also have to remember, in many cases when a person who has posted bail and then goes to trial and is sentenced to jail time, they are given a few days to get their affairs in order, which means finding someone to take care of their kids while they are gone. The immigrants don't have that luxury, because they are separated and jailed with no time to make arrangements for child care.

Apples and bananas dude.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Let's forget for a moment about the illegal entry, and lets look at what the effect of being separated from your family is................................

I was orphaned at 8, and spent the rest of my time in foster care until I ran away to live with my Grandparents the last year of H.S. Kids that are removed from their parents at an early age suffer from low self esteem, abandonment issues, and it can cause them to be afraid to have close relationships with other people. I know, because that is what happened to me. Through the help of some really good friends and a bit of counseling, I was able to exorcise most all of those demons and am now fairly happy and healthy.

However...........................I had one advantage that those kids on the border don't. Closure. I had attended my mother's funeral and knew that she was dead and I would never see her again. These kids on the border? They don't know where they are, where their parents are, if they will see them again, or if they are even alive. Stuff like that can really wear on a person, especially if they are a kid.

No. I don't think that separating the kids from their parents is either necessary or even a good idea because of all the mental damage it can do.

Well that’s a bummer and all but leads me to two questions.

One, why ignore the law breaking part? If you went to foster care because she went to jail would you not put the blame on her?

Two, where were your grandparents from 8-17?

If I went to foster care because my mother had gone to jail, she would have been given a couple of days to get her affairs in order, which means finding someone to care for me.

As far as where were my Grandparents? Although they loved me and my sister, after we had been there a few months, they figured they were too old to be good caregivers for kids, so they enrolled us in a foster program with a group called the Casey Family Foundation. It's a good program, but I just got stuck with a shitty family. After being used and abused for a few years, I finally decided to run away. The reason I picked my Grandparents is because they had me over every summer to spend with them.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

For those that don't pretend to care about what is happening, the drop in illegal border crossing and at the same time an increase in families legally seeking refugee status the article below is something you should read.

The United States has a gang problem as well. All of the violence, threatening and illegal behavior described in the article occurs in gangs irrespective of location so how does relocating help?

 

[pismoe]

I don't like it. I think it's inhumane and unnecessary in the vast majority of cases. If one of the immigrant parents has committed a serious crime, then, yes, segregate him or her from their kids. Otherwise, we need to keep parents and kids together if the parents' only crime was trying to enter America illegally to build a better life.

I think it adds to the deterrent. Until we get real border security I have zero issues with it.

So it is acceptable to punish children it it might deter the parents.

-------------------------------------- sure , their own parents put these widdle future gangsters and anchor baby droppers to be put in harms way Coyote .

 

[eagle1462010]

When an American citizen is arrested for a crime. He is separated from his family and put in jail.

So why should illegals who have committed a criminal act by sneaking across our border be treated any different? ....

I wonder why separating them is even needed. Why do we have to support them when all they have to do is stuff them in a bus and drive them to the border/dump them off. NOT OUR PROBLEM. If they came in thru Mexico...take them to the borderline and shove them out the damn door.

I am beginning to agree with that.............Congress will not fix it..........Dems don't want it fixed...........chamber of commerce doesn't want it fixed.......

Perhaps we need to do what IKE did..................

 

[pismoe]

personally i think that ORPHANAGES are better than foster parents that i hear do a lot of their work for financial gain .