It’s a simple matter to look at websites such as AiG and spot the fraud. They simply make up nonsense as they go. ID/creationism is founded on fraudulent assumptions that the various bibles are absolutely true, basic misconceptions of bible stories and misrepresentations of science. None of the charlatans who promote these sites wants to know anything about science because they are convinced that by remaining ignorant of science, their ID/creationist arguments are valid alternatives.
It’s important to understand the bias that AIG (and ID/creationist) charlatans holds.
From the "Statement of Faith" section on their website
Section 1: Priorities
The scientific aspects of creation are important but are secondary in importance to the proclamation of the gospel of Jesus Christ as Sovereign, Creator, Redeemer, and Judge.
The doctrines of Creator and Creation cannot ultimately be divorced from the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Section 2: Basics
The 66 books of the Bible are the written Word of God. The Bible is divinely inspired and inerrant throughout. Its assertions are factually true in all the original autographs. It is the supreme authority in everything it teaches. Its authority is not limited to spiritual, religious, or redemptive themes but includes its assertions in such fields as history and science.
Remember, this is the organization fronted by Ken Ham who is the "Creation Museum" fraudster.
Yes, the "Creation Museum" where Ken Ham would have you believe that humans in buckskin outfits shared the planet with dinosaurs.
Behind the Scenes at the Creation “Museum”
Behind the Scenes at the Creation "Museum" - The Panda's Thumb
One of the Creation “Museum’s” more ridiculous claims is that
dinosaurs and other Mesozoic animals survived Noah’s Flood via the Ark and lived until historical times, when they became known as fire-breathing dragons and other mythological creatures. Recently the Creation Museum put up various billboards of dinosaurs around the country and included one of a fire-breathing dragon. The image is now sold on T-shirts in the Creation “Museum’s” bookstore. Additionally, they sell an assortment of dragon and knight figures as toys in the bookstore, which has a dragon theme with a faux medieval look to it. Apparently this fantasy is being passed along to children and their parents by the “museum.” Obviously Answers in Genesis has not thought through the idea of putting fire-breathing animals on a wooden boat. Perhaps they need to tell everyone that Noah owned an asbestos mine.
There’s nothing “honest” about ID/creationism because ID/creationists willingly announce their intention to commit a fraud.
On the other hand, I have no faith at all in evolution. (I also have no faith in algebra, chemistry or astronomy). Evolution either stands or falls by the strength of the evidence used to substantiate it. Evolutionary biology relies on factual data, physical evidence, molecular experimentation, and it goes hand in hand with geology. I am constantly thinking critically about evolution, going over the evidence, and continually reaching the same conclusion.
Evolution is based on observational evidence. This is different from creationism, which selectively uses evidence to support its position. In other words, evolution
comes from evidence, while creationism
uses evidence to support an unverifiable, pre-existing source (the bibles).
ID/Creationism is not science, because it relies completely on miraculous interventions (the flood and the creation itself, not to mention just about all the rest of the book)-- things that cannot be used in the formulation of a scientific theory. Since miraculous events cannot be tested, repeated, nor can the processes by which they operate be described, they must be taken on faith. Creationism is an expression of religious belief-- not science. There is a huge difference.
The fact that all species alive today have descended from a common ancestor can be denied, but not refuted. We know it happens because we can observe it directly in short-lived species, and for longer lived species there is genetic and fossil evidence that is unambiguous. There is no other scientific explanation for the diversity of living species. Creationism IS NOT a scientific explanation-- it is a religious one, and a religious explanation is not interchangeable with a scientific one.
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I believe Jesus will come down very harshly on atheist scientists and they will suffer gravely for their lies and sins.
On the other hand, I believe the gawds will come down very harshly on those who make the jeebus a mafia thug who you folks use to make threats, capise?
How can Ken Ham be a fraudster when he spells it out for you in black and white? It shows that creation science is not ID. It starts from our worldview. Creation science is based on the God hypothesis and what God said in the bible. He's the creator and witness. Atheist scientists base their worldview on Darwin and his Origin of Species book. We know now that Darwin was practically wrong about all his hypothesis while God and bible hypothesis hasn't been proven wrong yet. That's why I am here to tell people that creation science is the real science while atheist science and evolution is fake and based on wrong assumptions, biased science and lies.
ETA: If you want to argue about dinosaurs and humans, birds from dinosaurs or both, then start a new thread. It's beyond the scope of this one. Or do you not back up what you wrote?
I can understand your revulsion for science and knowledge will be offended by reason and rationality, but Ken Ham is a danger to himself and others.
Paleontologists brought to tears, laughter by Creation Museum
For a group of paleontologists, a tour of the Creation Museum seemed like a great tongue-in-cheek way to cap off a serious conference.
But while there were a few laughs and some clowning for the camera, most left more offended than amused by the frightening way in which evolution -- and their life's work -- was attacked.
"It's sort of a monument to scientific illiteracy, isn't it?" said Jerry Lipps, professor of geology, paleontology and evolution at University of California, Berkeley.
"Like Sunday school with statues... this is a special brand of religion here. I don't think even most mainstream Christians would believe in this interpretation of Earth's history."
I do find it interesting that you identify your gods as "he". You attribute thoroughly human attributes to a thoroughly human invention. That's not surprising since as a human construct, humans will add their familial and social conventions to their gods. That has been the case with all the gods which have "existed" before your gods.
And yes, for those who believe the nonsense further by Ken Ham and his abomination called the " creation museum" , we are forced to come to conclusions about those who believe in a literal 6,000 year old earth and humans frolicking with dinosaurs.
Whoever wrote that article does not know what they are talking about. It's good that they left frightened because they do not have any rebuttals to real science. Today, secular scientists do not face criticism over evolution from their peers. They dismiss it for the same reasons as those in the article.
Creation and catastrophism was what scientists believed in before the 1850s when uniformitarianism and Darwinism took over. When I go to a museum and see exhibits on evolution, it's like going to fantasy, sci-fi or mythological museum. Most of it isn't true. It's mostly connect the dots science and science tautology (circular thinking). The evos have outsmarted themselves.
What we know is Darwinism led to social Darwinism and eugenics. It led to the mass slaughter of Jews in the Holocaust. We still have Planned Parenthood which is a group behind the genocide of African Americans.
This is what science has come down to because secular scientists will not have to face the creation scientists' arguments against evolution and billions of years old earth. The real scientific arguments are made separately by creation scientists in their own research and museums and arguments presented in open forums such as this. You are not going to get formal papers in Nature, Science and other of today's scientific publications to argue against billions of years, ToE and evolutionary thinking.
The only common ground we have is natural selection or changes in species through hybridization or environmental changes. Even then creation scientists believe in rapid changes for species.
There is no macroevolution of species such as humans from monkeys or birds from dinosaurs. That's an invention of the atheist scientists' imagination. Macroevolution involves mutation and mutation is the loss of information. It can't evolve new species. To the contrary, it devolves them. It's follows the law of entropy.
Actually, the writers of the article were scientists who are a part of the relevant science community.
One of the bodies of the relevant science community took a tour of the Ken Ham abomination and they weren’t real kind to the farce that is the creation museum.
https://ncse.com/library-resource/visit-to-new-creation-museum
Of course you’re wrong about secular scientists (as opposed to fundamentalist hacks) facing criticism. Peer review is the process by which scientists (as opposed to fundamentalist hacks), present their criticism.
What is truly laughable about ID/creationists is the lack of any affirmative description of what “creationist doctrine” really is, other than mindless reiteration of biblical tales. As an example, nowhere in the creationist ministry literature is there an explanation of how one or more of the gods achieved their “creation”. There is no doctrinal literature such as
"The Creation Scenario is described as..." Similarly, there is no literature to be found with the phrase:
"The Creator gods used the following means, methods and creative processes in making living organisms..." And ultimately, we will never hear the creation ministries announce:
"We have just published evidence in peer reviewed scientific journal of physical evidence which reveals the means and methods by which the various creator gods established life on this planet." Instead, all we get is simpleton creationist drivel that supernatural means and magic define the gods.
ID/Creationists can offer no explanations of how life developed on the planet. They have found no physical evidence for any of their gods. Very simply, creationism is nothing more than a window dressing for fundamentalist christianity.
In large part, fear and superstition is what scientists believed in before the 1850s. In a very real sense, it was the Christian church which fostered the promotion of fear and superstition.
Origin of Species accomplished two very different things.
First off, it demonstrated through a tour de force of scientific detail the historical fact of evolution (keep in mind the difference between facts and the theories that explain them). Using fields as diverse as comparative anatomy, selective breeding, biogeography and animal behavior, he laid out the factual case that descent with modification (evolution) had actually occurred.
His evidence was so overwhelming that almost every major biologist of his day became convinced within the decade that evolution (the fact) was true.
Secondly, it proposed a theory for explaining this fact; “Natural Selection.” Contrary to your false characterization of it as being “through coincidence,” Natural Selection abhors coincidence completely and instead proposes the objective criterion of “reproductive fitness” as the engine for driving biological change.
What many people (especially creationists) do not understand is that during Darwin’s lifetime, the scientific community never accepted his theory, although they were convinced by his book that the fact of evolution was true. It was only long afterwards that his basic theory was combined with new discoveries in population genetics to convince biologists that Natural Selection does absolutely the best job of explaining the facts.
I note your tired slogans about “Darwinism and eugenics” are right out of the fundamentalist Christian playbook at the Henry Morris School of the Damaged.
http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CA/CA002_1.html
What science “has come down to” is abandoning the nonsense of the Flat Earth’ers/fundamentalist ministries.
"It is precisely because Biblical revelation is absolutely authoritative and perspicuous that the scientific facts, rightly interpreted, will give the same testimony as that of Scripture. There is not the slightest possibility that the
facts of science can contradict the Bible."
-Dr. Henry Morris in very first paragraph of "Scientists Confront Creationism" edited by Laurie R. Godfrey
Instead of spouting vague, unsupported claims, why don't you state some specifics? What evolution lies and conspiracies? It seems you have bought into the elaborate fabrication of creationism. Who is your mentor?
I think debates ARE important... although they do NOTHING to advance science. Nor do they do ANYTHING to convert the true believer. But they do EXPOSE the lack of science in creationism, the dishonest tactics, and they do demonstrate to the public that real science has nothing to hide while ID/creationists certainly do.
There is the FACT that species change. There is a predictable range of genetic variation in a species, as well as an expected rate of random mutations. Creationists admit that a "kind" (an ambiguous, non-scientific term) can change into different species (i.e. a dog "kind" can evolve into wolves, coyotes, foxes, and all types of domestic dogs) but they insist that it must stop there. They give no reason for this fabricated limitation. They just can't accept macroevolution, because it contradicts the "truth" of the bible. But there is no limit to the degree that a species can change. Given enough time, a fish-like species can evolve into a amphibian-like species, an amphibian-like species can evolve into a reptilian-like species, a reptilian-like species can evolve into a mammalian-like species, and an ape-like species can evolve into the modern human species. The process (simply stated) involves the potential of many different types of individuals within a species, the birth of a great many individual organisms, and the deaths of those individuals whose characteristics are not as well suited to the total environment as other individuals of the same species. The deaths of these less well suited individuals allows for the increased reproduction of the better suited ones, and initiates a shift in the appearance and function of the species. Without limitation.
