BluesLegend
Diamond Member
Blue, I do not know the content of the W Va Senators letters, nor would I ever condemn them for fighting for their people's livelihood. But sooner or later we will be off coal. And the State of W Va, if I have read properly, is darn near ruined as a result of mining, its miners gasping for life as the coal companies screw them out of benefits and pensions, streams blocked by slurry and poisoning livestock, and mountaintops shaved off and dumped onto valleys. This is the picture I have by reading up on coal mines and I am genuinely saddened that this beautiful State is so impoverished even with this resource that has enriched a few. But they could learn from SE Michigan, who sunk all its hopes in auto manufacture and got left twisting in the wind when the factories got old beyond updating and the robots did jobs better and the grass was greener in other parts. Texas revived itself with space programs and technology when oil and cattle ran its course. The Carolinas survived the loss of textiles and Maine survived the loss of canneries. Other places have done the same too. And W VA as well as Michigan is just going to have to adjust or go under. It's a 'what have you done for me lately' world, blue, and it isn't because of the CIC. We either go with the flow or we stagnate no matter who is in the Oval Office.Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.
Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?
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Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.
Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?
Okay you need an education on Obama got it. Lets begin with the letter two Democrat senators from West Virginia sent to Obama early in his first term. Are you aware of this letter? Are you aware how furious these two senators were with Obama over what he did? How many jobs he cost West Virginia?
We will be off coal? What are we going to switch to magic pixy dust power? The problem is you are woefully uninformed when it comes to the lawlessness and corruption of the Obama administration. The new coal mine in West Virginia spent years and millions of dollars complying with every damn government regulation and requirement, then on the eve of opening the mine Obama and his goon squad of enviro-Nazis swooped in and invented a bunch of new EPA regulations and requirements at the last minute dooming the project. That's why the senators from West Virginia were so hopping mad.