Do we really need a POTUS?

[Arianrhod]

So far, we are not The People.

Then you want to do away with (A) the Electoral College and (B) corporate lobbyists, not necessarily in that order.

 

[Gracie]

They need to change more than just that.

 

[Arianrhod]

They need to change more than just that.

That's where you start. Then you can change representation in the Senate to be based on population, like the House.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Why do we have three branches of government?

We were taught in the school the principle of checks and balances.

If we believe that is not working, then look at us because we elect the government we deserve.

 

[bullwinkle]

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ, this is longer than a bumper sticker, so maybe it is too much to think you can make it to the end, but it speaks for me.

Republicans say Obama has been historically divisive. That's very, very revealing.

 

[S.J.]

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ, this is longer than a bumper sticker, so maybe it is too much to think you can make it to the end, but it speaks for me.

Republicans say Obama has been historically divisive. That's very, very revealing.

That's a real cute comment there, bullwinkle, but your msnbc article is a crock of shit. No surprise it speaks for you.
It shows that you don't have a clue about what conservatism is or what conservatives think. From your link:

"But the reality is that while Democrats have moved left, Republicans have been moving right more sharply - a fact not only established by political science but evident to anyone remotely familiar with Capital Hill."

Republicans have NOT been moving to the right, they've been moving to the LEFT. That's why we conservatives want them OUT. You call fully funding Obamacare and Planned Parenthood without even debating it moving to the right??? Nice try.

 

[bullwinkle]

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ, this is longer than a bumper sticker, so maybe it is too much to think you can make it to the end, but it speaks for me.

Republicans say Obama has been historically divisive. That's very, very revealing.

That's a real cute comment there, bullwinkle, but your msnbc article is a crock of shit. No surprise it speaks for you.
It shows that you don't have a clue about what conservatism is or what conservatives think. From your link:

"But the reality is that while Democrats have moved left, Republicans have been moving right more sharply - a fact not only established by political science but evident to anyone remotely familiar with Capital Hill."

Republicans have NOT been moving to the right, they've been moving to the LEFT. That's why we conservatives want them OUT. You call fully funding Obamacare and Planned Parenthood without even debating it moving to the right??? Nice try.

Obamacare was debated for a year before passage, and if you post a video of PP carving up infants for sale I'll concede in humiliation enough to suit you. I know the Ryan House passed PP funding, but I'm unsure about the length of any debate. Moderate Republicans are scarce as hen's teeth, it seems. SK, I'm old. I remember the days of Dirksen and Percy and Vandenberg, so maybe I am influenced by nostalgia, but today's Republicans, Cruz, Wilson, Cotton, Barton, Blackburn, Fox are all petulant far left rabble-rousers to me. I am fully aware that they have counterparts on the left, and I recognize most of them. but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt. Then whine because Democrats blame Bush for taking a stable economy on target to drastically cut debt and turned it into a jobs hemorrhaging econ that stripped collective bargaining while complaining that wages are flat. So, yes the article speaks for me. Kwitcherbellyachin

 

[S.J.]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

 

[regent]

The reason Jefferson attacked King George instead of Parliament was because it is easier to blame one person than a large group, and so it is with the president. Many Americans don't know their senators or representatives but do know the president so he gets the blame for most things. The evidence, read these boards, how many blame Congress or their representatives as compared to the President?

 

[S.J.]

The reason Jefferson attacked King George instead of Parliament was because it is easier to blame one person than a large group, and so it is with the president. Many Americans don't know their senators or representatives but do know the president so he gets the blame for most things. The evidence, read these boards, how many blame Congress or their representatives as compared to the President?

Did you feel the same way when Bush was president?

 

[regent]

The reason Jefferson attacked King George instead of Parliament was because it is easier to blame one person than a large group, and so it is with the president. Many Americans don't know their senators or representatives but do know the president so he gets the blame for most things. The evidence, read these boards, how many blame Congress or their representatives as compared to the President?

Did you feel the same way when Bush was president?

Of course, I blamed Bush for those things he pushed as president and took credit for. For example, Bush and his mission accomplished carrier landing was Bush's call, and Obama- Care is Obama's call.

 

[xband]

The reason Jefferson attacked King George instead of Parliament was because it is easier to blame one person than a large group, and so it is with the president. Many Americans don't know their senators or representatives but do know the president so he gets the blame for most things. The evidence, read these boards, how many blame Congress or their representatives as compared to the President?

Did you feel the same way when Bush was president?

Of course, I blamed Bush for those things he pushed as president and took credit for. For example, Bush and his mission accomplished carrier landing was Bush's call, and Obama- Care is Obama's call.

Mission Accomplished, what a joke.

 

[bullwinkle]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

 

[S.J.]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

 

[BluesLegend]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

 

[bullwinkle]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

sj, the ACA will be tweaked for years to come, just like Medicare was. As for EOs, I suppose you think Snopes is a tool of opposition, but just for the heck of it, peruse this: FALSE: Executive Orders

 

[bullwinkle]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.

 

[BluesLegend]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.

I see m

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.

Okay you need an education on Obama got it. Lets begin with the letter two Democrat senators from West Virginia sent to Obama early in his first term. Are you aware of this letter? Are you aware how furious these two senators were with Obama over what he did? How many jobs he cost West Virginia?

 

[bullwinkle]

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.

I see m

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

Hell how many times has he made sweeping changes in energy policy ignoring the will of the people via their representatives in congress? He just decides on his own to ruin the coal industry, block oil pipelines, change immigration laws, one man pretending he has the power of congress does that sound like representative government?

Blues, are you talking about releasing energy permits for more drilling? I thought that was the will of the (right wing) people. Or is the complaint that the issue was not carte blanche, as in drill national parks, or timber harvest in national forests...the old meanie! Ruin the coal industry by demanding clean coal? I admit I don't recall if Congress voted down the pipeline or it was an EO, but he didn't CHANGE an immigration law, he upheld one from a previous admin. Do you think stopping a gang of armed adults terrorizing kids on a schoolbus is changing the law? And the 'pretending he has the power of congress' part is pure spin machine output.

Okay you need an education on Obama got it. Lets begin with the letter two Democrat senators from West Virginia sent to Obama early in his first term. Are you aware of this letter? Are you aware how furious these two senators were with Obama over what he did? How many jobs he cost West Virginia?

Blue, I do not know the content of the W Va Senators letters, nor would I ever condemn them for fighting for their people's livelihood. But sooner or later we will be off coal. And the State of W Va, if I have read properly, is darn near ruined as a result of mining, its miners gasping for life as the coal companies screw them out of benefits and pensions, streams blocked by slurry and poisoning livestock, and mountaintops shaved off and dumped onto valleys. This is the picture I have by reading up on coal mines and I am genuinely saddened that this beautiful State is so impoverished even with this resource that has enriched a few. But they could learn from SE Michigan, who sunk all its hopes in auto manufacture and got left twisting in the wind when the factories got old beyond updating and the robots did jobs better and the grass was greener in other parts. Texas revived itself with space programs and technology when oil and cattle ran its course. The Carolinas survived the loss of textiles and Maine survived the loss of canneries. Other places have done the same too. And W VA as well as Michigan is just going to have to adjust or go under. It's a 'what have you done for me lately' world, blue, and it isn't because of the CIC. We either go with the flow or we stagnate no matter who is in the Oval Office.

 

[S.J.]

but your original post blames Obama for everything from Fed land ownership to ISIS atrocities to the condition of American education, to the de-fanging of ATF and every other piece of legislation since Teddy Roosevelt.

Here's my original post. Where did I say any of those things?

His job is to carry out the laws passed by Congress. He was never meant to be a dictator (like Obama). He was never meant to MAKE laws (like Obama). He was meant to be part of the balance of power, not THE power. This is why WE, THE PEOPLE need to step in and stop the corruption.

SJ: You caught me! I was hypothesizing about the range of complaints against Obama. I've heard slurs against him touching on those points, but not from you. Mea Culpa! However, your accusations of dictatorship and 'making laws' and seizing power are all without example that can be challenged or compared to Presidents you favor. It's like slinging against a wall to see what sticks. Can you provide examples of your distress?

How many times did he unilaterally change provisions of the ACA? THAT is making law. He does not have the authority to do that.
Also, EOs were not intended to be used to make law but that's exactly what he does. "I have a pen and I have a phone and I'm prepared to act if Congress does not". Only the sycophants who shovel Obama's shit behind him will deny that Obama has used presidential powers that were not intended for the purpose of making law to do just that.

sj, the ACA will be tweaked for years to come, just like Medicare was. As for EOs, I suppose you think Snopes is a tool of opposition, but just for the heck of it, peruse this: FALSE: Executive Orders

It's not within his authority to tweak it. And yeah, Snopes is a liberal mouthpiece so you have nothing there. And Obama's EOs have been very public so please don't try to convince me he didn't issue them when I watched him announce them on national television.