Do we owe Muslims another apology?

[ChrisL]

Who is the we? The United States? Just non muslims? Followers of other religions? Not sure who "we" is?

 

[GreatestIam]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?


This link says yes.

http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform


This link says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM


To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo


I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.


Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.


Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?


Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.


Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8


Regards

DL

I think we owe Muslims bacon grease-dipped .06 bullets delivered @ 2700fps. You ready to give um some?

Jihad is the Muslim way and I do not think it works well, so no, I am not ready to follow their lead unless forced to self-defence.

I think we should take the moral high ground and not sink to religious levels.

Regards
DL

 

[ChrisL]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?


This link says yes.

http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform


This link says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM


To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo


I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.


Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.


Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?


Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.


Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8


Regards

DL

I think we owe Muslims bacon grease-dipped .06 bullets delivered @ 2700fps. You ready to give um some?

Jihad is the Muslim way and I do not think it works well, so no, I am not ready to follow their lead unless forced to self-defence.

I think we should take the moral high ground and not sink to religious levels.

Regards
DL

Agreed. I am much more about live and let live. Besides that, you can never kill them all, and when you are just creating a more and more unstable and war-like atmosphere for their children to be raised around, you will create more and more future terrorists.

 

[GreatestIam]

I see people as individuals (except maybe leftists with their collectivist hive minds), and I'm not really a part of this "we" you speak of, so if I had done something to any Muslims that I felt would be appropriate to apologize for, then I would do that, but I haven't done anything to any Muslims, so I don't owe them anything.

To Muslims, you insult them by not converting.

I agree that no apology is required.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

Who is the we? The United States? Just non muslims? Followers of other religions? Not sure who "we" is?

Basically, the West. As indicated by that little song in the O.P.

Regards
DL

 

[ChrisL]

I think a lot of the Muslim hatred for America or non-muslims is based upon their belief system. They are extremely conservative, way more so than the MOST conservative person in America. They see our lifestyles as being "poison" to their future generations who are young and impressionable and think our more free and liberated lifestyles as being "cool." That is probably one major reason why they hate us and our ways.

 

[GreatestIam]

Do we owe Muslims another apology?


This link says yes.

http://bigthink.com/videos/maajid-nawaz-on-islamic-reform


This link says no.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xQcSvBsU-FM


To those who think we should try to separate the good Muslims from the bad Muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drJCC2XXMBo


I do not think it is to the non-Muslim world to apologise to Muslims for the criticism we do of their un-civilized ideology.


Should we stop judging and criticizing those institutions of religion that are leading us away from a more civilized state?


1 Thessalonians 5:21 Test all things; hold fast what is good.


Have you tested the ideology of Islam? Is it good to you?


Proverbs 3:12 For whom the Lord loveth he correcteth; even as a father the son in whom he delighteth.


Is correcting and criticizing Islam the loving or the hateful thing to do?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMJATBMebj8


Regards

DL

I think we owe Muslims bacon grease-dipped .06 bullets delivered @ 2700fps. You ready to give um some?

Jihad is the Muslim way and I do not think it works well, so no, I am not ready to follow their lead unless forced to self-defence.

I think we should take the moral high ground and not sink to religious levels.

Regards
DL

Agreed. I am much more about live and let live. Besides that, you can never kill them all, and when you are just creating a more and more unstable and war-like atmosphere for their children to be raised around, you will create more and more future terrorists.

I hear you, but live and let live is, is like saying you do not care about their abuse, FGM, Honor killings etc. of their women.

That is not quite living by the Golden Rule.

"First they came for the Jews, but I did nothing because I'm not a Jew. Then they came for the socialists, but I did nothing because I'm not a socialist. Then they came for the Catholics, but I did nothing because I'm not a Catholic. Finally, they came for me, but by then there was no one left to help me." – Pastor Father Niemoller (1946)”

Regards
DL

 

[Marion Morrison]

General Pershing had the right idea.

 

[GreatestIam]

I think a lot of the Muslim hatred for America or non-muslims is based upon their belief system. They are extremely conservative, way more so than the MOST conservative person in America. They see our lifestyles as being "poison" to their future generations who are young and impressionable and think our more free and liberated lifestyles as being "cool." That is probably one major reason why they hate us and our ways.

I see what they do as more poisonous to children than what we do.

One of many such links.

UNRWA: Teaching Palestinian Children to Hate | Clarion Project

Regards
DL

 

[ChrisL]

I think a lot of the Muslim hatred for America or non-muslims is based upon their belief system. They are extremely conservative, way more so than the MOST conservative person in America. They see our lifestyles as being "poison" to their future generations who are young and impressionable and think our more free and liberated lifestyles as being "cool." That is probably one major reason why they hate us and our ways.

I see what they do as more poisonous to children than what we do.

One of many such links.

UNRWA: Teaching Palestinian Children to Hate | Clarion Project

Regards
DL

I agree, but that is their view towards America and other countries that are not restrictive. I mean, we are talking about people who pray like 6 times a day here. It is complete brainwashing and it extends beyond just "religious" activities, and that is where it becomes dangerous to freedom.

 

[GreatestIam]

General Pershing had the right idea.

War mongering is not the way.

The first duty of any military man is to save lives, not take them or put his own men in harms way.

It seems you do not mind sending boys to die for you.

Regards
DL

 

[ChrisL]

In a small way, they have a point though. We seem to have absolutely no class anymore at all. A country were a porn star complaining about being paid for sex is being taken seriously? Yikes. Lol.

 

[ChrisL]

General Pershing had the right idea.

Well, something important to keep in mind is that these Muslims take their life, religious and political views (as screwed up as they might be) just as seriously as you take yours.

 

[ChrisL]

I think a lot of the Muslim hatred for America or non-muslims is based upon their belief system. They are extremely conservative, way more so than the MOST conservative person in America. They see our lifestyles as being "poison" to their future generations who are young and impressionable and think our more free and liberated lifestyles as being "cool." That is probably one major reason why they hate us and our ways.

I see what they do as more poisonous to children than what we do.

One of many such links.

UNRWA: Teaching Palestinian Children to Hate | Clarion Project

Regards
DL

Those kids are being used as part of a larger agenda. This is the perfect example of brainwashing. These children's parents probably were raised in the same environment, so this is "normal" for them. A shame really.

I believe that a big part of the problem is that their dictators, imams, etc., like to demonize us (the non-muslims) and make us into the boogeyman and the cause of all of their problems to take attention away from the fact that it is the dictators themselves that keep their people uneducated, poor and ignorant. They do this so that they can keep a heavy hand over these people. The best way to control people is by not educating them or by using propaganda to educate them.

 

[ChrisL]

I know everything I'm saying should be pretty obvious, but it seems as though common sense is quite rare nowadays, so I feel a need to explain things.

 

[seaofnails]

Hello
Why would someone be unable to realize that Islam as a religion, is incapable of understanding or identifying or understanding or accepting an apology from Non-Muslims who have won the war and won victory against the Islamic aggression and attacks ?

We have completely defeated and crippled the Islamic world and placed them in figurative chains that can not be broken.

Barak Oboma tried to remove the chains from the terrorists and place them upon UNAPOLOGETIC Americans and cripple America with financial ruin and Oboma forced Americans to open their bank accounts and throw their personal money to the terrorist and give the Muslims a surprise Nuclear Bomb Sweepstake prize - because He is an evil, twisted, ignorant, perverted creature who should be locked up with Hillary Clinton.

However, Donald J. Trump has RE- locked the chains back down on the Islamic word and completely freed the UNAPOLOGETIC Americans and given UNAPOLOGETIC Americans a handshake and a pat on the back.

The war was started by Muslims. Muslims will not accept an apology nor any hard feelings be resolved by an apology because Muslims do not have any evidence or proof that they are serving the God Of Abraham -
Nor any evidence or proof that any Muslims or even Mohammad are descendants of Abraham.

But rather the evidence proves and shows that they are the descendants of all of the surrounding neighbors of the Israelites in and around Canaan. This INFORMATION war has also been lost by the Muslims failure to completely destroy all evidence that proves that Muslims and Mohammad was not a descendant of Ishmael or Abraham.

Until Non - Muslims Americans, Jews and their allies destroy all of this evidence such as History Books and The Bible and accept the Islamic version of history, the quest for Islam to make this happen will not end no matter how much the Pope and Roman Catholics kiss their Qurans, pray with Muslims facing Mecca and equate the Old Testament as equal and comparative to the Quran and elevate Muslims while downgrading and spitting on Jews and Christians.....

Muslims and Catholics need all of the evidence completely destroyed. Then and only then - they will feel at peace and united as regional neighboring bloodline relatives that have always historically aligned and militarily united with one another in the single core goal - to control and or eXterminate Jews and Bible Christians with violence and slaughter and propaganda and politics and forced conversion as they vow and swear to the eternal idea - that they are both serving the same eXact god.​

By now - any educated person knows about Quranic - Islamic / Palestine AND Biblical - Judaism / Israel -
Once people accept that the two Gods of the two RACES and RELIGIONS are not going to become one single God or the same God, the sooner we can also accept that Muslims will never accept and recognize the tiny land and state of Israel as a sovereign free country independent of Islamic mandates and rule and law.

If Islam is trying to force Islamic law in its own country through war, violence, bombings, slaughter and piracy and weaponry upon one another - And Islam is trying to force their religion in SHARIA LAW Here in America, England, Germany and other places. Why would anyone eXpect Israel for eXample - a tiny neighbor to appease and satisfy and have peace with the Muslim world ? Especially when the very eXistance of Israel, its Bible and survival means a declaration to Muslims themselves that Islam is a total fraud.

There is no way to work it out, other than the Muslim world realizing and facing the current fact that the Islamic Military is incapable of and unable to destroy Israel. This is all that Muslims know about and realize and what they think about and ALL THAT matters - is the current situation of warfare and the ability or inability to destroy the Idea of Israel. Other than that, anything else that Muslims are looking for is a campaign and propaganda to make Jews and their Allies look bad and causing us to be destroyed by wounding us with a zillion tiny cuts from behind and propagandizing orders to betray American values in order to enforce policies to our weaker and uneducated citizens that place stumbling blocks before the majority of their enemies in the free world

 

[irosie91]

Never, Never attempt to use logic to convince a person who harbors a fixed delusion. It NEVER
works. In many conversations of muslims I have known over the past 50 years----this simple
seemingly LOGICAL STATEMENT>>>> "That which you do to us, we can do to you" in
reference to terrorism (I first started these conversations during the age of airplane Hijackings)
JUST DOES NOT MAKE SENSE TO THE MUSLIM MIND

 

[GreatestIam]

In a small way, they have a point though. We seem to have absolutely no class anymore at all. A country were a porn star complaining about being paid for sex is being taken seriously? Yikes. Lol.

The tip of the iceberg.

What the world cannot fathom is how so many Americans could be retarded enough to put trump in office.

Oh wait. I forgot that Trump did not get the popular vote and had to rely on the previous Republican gerrymandering to get elected.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

General Pershing had the right idea.

Well, something important to keep in mind is that these Muslims take their life, religious and political views (as screwed up as they might be) just as seriously as you take yours.

Indeed.



Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

I know everything I'm saying should be pretty obvious, but it seems as though common sense is quite rare nowadays, so I feel a need to explain things.

I hear you and see it more as people ignoring their moral sense for their tribal needs.

Note how many republicans held their nose while voting for Trump.

The team is more important than the moral they spout.

That is how Inquisitions and Jihads work.

Regards
DL