Do we need to fear God?

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Well-invested money. Our government is what it is because it works with commerce and industry. It's why our nation and it's people fare so well.

"Communism is naturalized humanism." Karl Marx

 

[Stann]

"Communism is naturalized humanism." Karl Marx

Our government invests very little in our economy, unlike communist nations which invest 100% in their economies. Imagine if we invested just 10% ( of yes ! we already did that with the tax breaks trump gave away to our wealthiest and their corporations ). That was about as communist as you can get in the US.

 

[Stann]

Were you kept in the dark by your religion? I was not, and nor are most. Religion is the doorway into reality, into the best of life.

What gave you such a warped view of religion that you are naming religion as the bane of your life?

Reality based on myths ? You see how well that has worked out so far and we haven't even had Armageddon yet. LOL

 

[Stann]

Only the "fool" does not fear God. "The fear of the Lord is the beginning of Wisdom......." -- Prov. 9:1-10

Its the fool that says in his heart, "there is no God...." -- Ps. 14:1

Only fools believe in myths.

 

[Stann]

The perfect example of the FOOL. "Professing themselves to be wise.........they became fools" -- Romans 1:22. You need to look into that mirror of yours that projects a false conclusion.

The proof that God exists does not rest in DOGMA..........it rests in the fact of the things that are "created" (Romans 1:20) void of any type of verification through the Laws of Physics. It's clear and unambiguous ...........this reality did not create itself from NOTHING as suggested by those who deny God. It's clear that Life did not evolve from Dead matter as claimed by those who deny God. This is DOGMA.........as every time this dogma is placed to the test of the scientific method, its FALSIFIED by the existing evidence of scientific experiment.

On the other side of the coin, CREATION.....as described in the Holy Scriptures,, each after its own kind (Gen. 1;25) by a force superior to the natural has never been subject to falsification by the scientific method. In fact Louis Pasteur has proven though the scientific method that life can only be reproduced via pre-existing life of the same kind, within species.

There has been no evidence whatsoever to even suggest that this Universe and the Life within it created itself from nothing........naturally. If the science experiment exists that proves that evolution of both the natural universe and biological, life created itself void of any outside force .........present your evidence that makes Evolution a FACT of Science. You will not, because YOU CANNOT.........the evidence does not exist. Thus the Super (superior) Natural (to nature) is the only logical and reasonable explanation for this plane of reality. Just as stated

True Christianity is not based upon FAITH alone.......as the Christian is commanded to "test/prove all things" (1 Thess. 5:21) through logic and reason.

So........why believe and accept the Holy Scriptures as truth from God?

The Scriptures were written by at least "40" different individuals, all inspired to speak the truth as inspired by God. Each form different walks of life, from Shepherds, to Kings, to Physicians, to tax collectors...etc. It was written over a 1500 year span of time. No where else in human history has any work of literature spanned over 1500 years to complete one total work that is in total agreement from Genesis to Rev.......with one common theme, the projected birth, life, death and resurrection of one Son of God, Son of Man.....as a method to having eternal fellowship with the CREATOR of LIFE.

Think about all the various works of historical literature produced by men.........see how many truthful statements you will find that does not favor those who are recording this supposed history in a favorable light. Each work will be directed by those who favor one society over another......always painting a rosy picture of themselves being the only truth to exist. In other words the old axiom holds true, History is recorded by those who are victorious over other cultures.

Example: Bring 6 of the best authors of Human literature together, one from each major socitiey of the world..........have them draft an article......based upon truth about one common theme.......say, the factors that lead up to both major wars of the 20th century. You will not get 6 works of literature that are in total agreement, all will conflict from chapter one forward, none will be in agreement, each will favor their own society attempting to place the blame ON OTHERS.

Not so with the Holy Scriptures......the entire history is recorded in a truthful manner, the Good, the Bad, and the Ugly.....with all the skeletons in the closets exposed for the world to see. Example of this truth, "What then? Are we Jews any better off? No, not at all. For we have already charged that all, both Jews and Gentiles are under sin; as it is written None is righteous, no, not one: no none understands, no one seeks for God; All have turned aside; together they have become worthless..........no one does good; not even one............." -- Romans 3:9-29

Many people attempt to read the Bible and claim that all that is recorded means that God condones all that is recorded......not so, the scriptures are filled with truthful history, presenting how many of the heroes have fallen from grace through sinful actions, the truth is presented and its not favorable history at all, its simply a running truthful history of the Judeo/Christian philosophy that concludes with one Reality: God so loved the world that He gave His only Begotten Son.............

























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Christian dogma had countless centuries to develop comebacks to any argument against it. I do not feel weakened faced with such arguments, but strengthened because most of the people posting opposing views to mine fall back on those developed strategies rather than giving their own personal beliefs to defend their positions.

 

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Our government invests very little in our economy, unlike communist nations which invest 100% in their economies. Imagine if we invested just 10% ( of yes ! we already did that with the tax breaks trump gave away to our wealthiest and their corporations ). That was about as communist as you can get in the US.

Imagine that... you cheer leading for communism. That's not a surprise to me.

"...The combating of religion cannot be confined to abstract ideological preaching, and it must not be reduced to such preaching. It must be linked up with the concrete practice of the class movement, which aims at eliminating the social roots of religion..." Vladimir Lenin

 

[ding]

Only fools believe in myths.

"We must know how to combat religion..." Vladimir Lenin

 

[ding]

Christian dogma had countless centuries to develop comebacks to any argument against it. I do not feel weakened faced with such arguments, but strengthened because most of the people posting opposing views to mine fall back on those developed strategies rather than giving their own personal beliefs to defend their positions.

Your way of seeing religion is exactly aligned with the founding fathers of communism.

 

[buttercup]

Your way of seeing religion is exactly aligned with the founding fathers of communism.

Yep, what people like him don't get is that the governments they put their faith in want to be the highest power, so God becomes "competition." So of course those types of governments are going to either outlaw or heavily restrict religious faith. We can't have anyone looking to a higher power, now can we?

 

[buttercup]

Putting GOD first is the correct order of things according to you.

Actually, it really is the correct order of things. Whether you want to believe that or not.

And is your god one of the religious ones ? If so, and I believe it is; Doesn't that actually mean putting religion first in your life. The two are inseparable in that case, aren't they ?

No, God and religion are not the same thing, and it absolutely does NOT mean putting religion first.

 

[Stann]

Yep, what people like him don't get is that the governments they put their faith want to be the highest power, so God becomes "competition." So of course those types of governments are going to either outlaw or heavily restrict religious faith. We can't have anyone looking to a higher power, now can we?

Even in your insanity you're partly correct. Yes, governments must run on reality not myths

 

[Zincwarrior]

The following text proves we are to fear Almighty God with a terrorizing fear that compels us to obedience. Fear and love cannot be separated. If we love, we fear doing anything that would separate us from the object of our affection. If an earthly father is a strict disciplinarian, children fear him because they fear to displease him and they fear the punishment or chastisement he will enforce. God is a strict Disciplinarian and He demands obedience. This is the generation of apostasy--people are unrepentant, walking in their own ways because they have no fear of God.
There is no fear of God before their eyes. (Rom 3:18)
Heb 12:25-29 KJV
25 See that ye refuse not him that speaketh. For if they escaped not who refused him that spake on earth, much more shall not we escape, if we turn away from him that speaketh from heaven:
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26 Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised, saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven.
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27 And this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken may remain.
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28 Wherefore we receiving a kingdom which cannot be moved, let us have grace, whereby we may serve God acceptably with reverence and godly fear [G2124]:
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29 For our God is a consuming fire.
G2124
εὐλάβεια
eulabeia
yoo-lab'-i-ah
From G2126; properly caution, that is, (religiously) reverence (piety); by implication dread (concretely): - fear (-ed).

God killed 3,000 people yesterday. Men, women, children.

 

[Stann]

Actually, it really is the correct order of things. Whether you want to believe that or not.



No, God and religion are not the same thing, and it absolutely does NOT mean putting religion first.

However religion is what most people seeking GOD put their faith into. Which is very unfortunate.

 

[Stann]

God killed 3,000 people yesterday. Men, women, children.

Yes, GOD serves both purposes for most people; both a savior and a scapegoat. It's easier than taking personal responsibility.

 

[buttercup]

Even in your insanity you're partly correct. Yes, governments must run on reality not myths

Hey, I'm not the one who puts my trust in corrupt power-hungry governments.... so I have to chuckle at you calling me insane.

I will go with the Source of truth, goodness, justice, wisdom, etc... as opposed to temporary, corrupt fallible powers. But you do you!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Yes, GOD serves both purposes for most people; both a savior and a scapegoat. It's easier than taking personal responsibility.

Personal responsibility for an earthquake?

 

[buttercup]

However religion is what most people seeking GOD put their faith into. Which is very unfortunate.

Wrong again. Maybe some people do, but there are billions of believers in this world, who put their faith in GOD (not mere religion).... So for you to try to speak for all of them is beyond ridiculous and arrogant.

 

[Stann]

Hey, I'm not the one who puts my trust in corrupt power-hungry governments.... so I have to chuckle at you calling me insane.

I will go with the Source of truth, goodness, justice, wisdom, etc... as opposed to temporary, corrupt fallible powers. But you do you!

I'm not the one who's ready to throw out the baby with the bathwater as so many right wing nuts on here are ready to. I see the overall good our nation has done by Us and compared to the rest of the world I'd rate it at 85%. Only about 20to 22 nations are doing better than US.

 

[Stann]

Wrong again. Maybe some people do, but there are billions of believers in this world, who put their faith in GOD (not mere religion).... So for you to try to speak for all of them is beyond ridiculous and arrogant.

I'm only speaking for myself, my opinons. I cannot do otherwise. I'll leave that up to you guys who speak for the billions of other fools who still worship man-made myths.

 

[buttercup]

Imagine that... you cheer leading for communism. That's not a surprise to me.

"...The combating of religion cannot be confined to abstract ideological preaching, and it must not be reduced to such preaching. It must be linked up with the concrete practice of the class movement, which aims at eliminating the social roots of religion..." Vladimir Lenin

He must not be a student of history, since he doesn't seem to realize that communist regimes have murdered over 100 million people. But let's trust government, because they truly care about us!!! They would never lie to us!!! Right? Ay yai yai