Do Speed Limits Matter?

[Shattered]

I obey the law. <b>I do not speed, and use the lane that is most applicable for my travel.</b>

65mph means 65 (not 66 or 72 or 85)

If you are not a law abiding citizen and become enraged at someone obeying the law, then you are the one with the issues that need to be dealt with, and perhaps spend a little time in the court system, to understand what the law means.

How come you do not understand that any speed above the legal limit is illegal?

Is looking at a little child porn alright?

According to the signs posted on the side of the freeway, the right lane is most applicable to your travel.

Why is this such a hard concept for you to grasp? You are not God. You do not control everyone else. You are not a cop - you don't possess the right to obstruct traffic. You are nothing but a *possible* road hazzard.

 

[dmp]

I obey the law. I do not speed, and use the lane that is most applicable for my travel.

65mph means 65 (not 66 or 72 or 85)

If you are not a law abiding citizen and become enraged at someone obeying the law, then you are the one with the issues that need to be dealt with, and perhaps spend a little time in the court system, to understand what the law means.

How come you do not understand that any speed above the legal limit is illegal?

Is looking at a little child porn alright?

Good for you - but do you REALLY know you are going 65? Have you calibrated your speedometer? Maybe you are an occult lawbreaker?

The law is NOT 65 - not always. The law on MOST states books is 'Flow of Traffic'. In spite of the speed limit, lane-travel laws are VALID. Thus, if you are in the LEFT-Most lane, but are NOT passing...ACTIVELY passing another vehicle, you are breaking the law. (<---note period)

 

[Mr. P]

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The law is NOT 65 - not always. The law on MOST states books is 'Flow of Traffic'. In spite of the speed limit, lane-travel laws are VALID. ....

True speed limits change. Also true "flow of traffic" the only problem is, the speed limit sign nor the law has fine print that says "speed cuz everyone else is, or get out of the way". The "keep with the flow" in context would max out at the speed LIMIT. :bangheads

 

[Shattered]

True speed limits change. Also true "flow of traffic" the only problem is, the speed limit sign nor the law has fine print that says "speed cuz everyone else is, or get out of the way". The "keep with the flow" in context would max out at the speed LIMIT. :bangheads

No, there's no fine print.. But there is the 'common sense' factor.. If a train is coming straight at you, you don't stand there and wait for it to stop.. You get the hell out of the way.

 

[Fmr jarhead]

Good for you - but do you REALLY know you are going 65? Have you calibrated your speedometer? Maybe you are an occult lawbreaker?

The law is NOT 65 - not always. The law on MOST states books is 'Flow of Traffic'. In spite of the speed limit, lane-travel laws are VALID. Thus, if you are in the LEFT-Most lane, but are NOT passing...ACTIVELY passing another vehicle, you are breaking the law. (<---note period)

Point taken.

Yes, I have had my speedo calibrated, and I also carry a GPS, so I am well aware of my speed at all times. I have never had a ticket, nor an accident, so I am a voice of a "successful" driver, if that is your measurement of success.

I also have trained on a number of racetracks across the US with professional instruction, and I had taken advantage of the "Reasonable and Prudent" speed laws that were on the books in Montana. 4 wheels or 2, I have the necessary skills to do whatever speed my vehicle is capable of....I just think it hypocritical of all those who think it is alright to exceed the posted speed limits, and break the law...

It is not my problem with rage, it is other's who feel it is their right to illegally exceed the limits posted for travel.

(I am courteous, and do not "block" traffic, but when someone tailgates, it is not my responsibility to avoid them, when I am doing the legal speed posted.)

 

[Mr. P]

No, there's no fine print.. But there is the 'common sense' factor.. If a train is coming straight at you, you don't stand there and wait for it to stop.. You get the hell out of the way.

Now we're talking trains? Hey okay, they have speed limits too..
Go for it.

 

[dmp]

(I am courteous.)

That is my measure of success.

 

[dmp]

True speed limits change. Also true "flow of traffic" the only problem is, the speed limit sign nor the law has fine print that says "speed cuz everyone else is, or get out of the way". The "keep with the flow" in context would max out at the speed LIMIT. :bangheads

It's a good thing most Police Agencies don't agree with you.

 

[insein]

Yes, I have had my speedo calibrated

conjures up a bad image. ::shudder::

It is not my problem with rage, it is other's who feel it is their right to illegally exceed the limits posted for travel.

(I am courteous, and do not "block" traffic, but when someone tailgates, it is not my responsibility to avoid them, when I am doing the legal speed posted.)

You obviously arent courteous and ARE breaking the law. When the law says, "Slower traffic keep right" or "Pass left, Keep Right" you are breaking the law. Ironically you think that playing cop by going the exact speed limit in the fast lane is making the roads safer. In fact you are making the roads a more dangerous place. By forcing faster moving traffic to pass on the right, you are endangering slower drivers by having passing traffic weave through the slow lanes to get by morons like yourself.

Letting people pass saves lives. Not slowing down. People are going to drive at the speed they are comfortable with. If they feel comfortable at 85 then they are going to drive 85 and you cant stop them. You can only make them pissed off at you and endanger others by forcing them into the right lanes.

 

[Mr. P]

It's a good thing most Police Agencies don't agree with you.

It's not that they don't agree with me. Face it..Most police agencies don't have the man power needed to
cull all the MORON drivers.

 

[Nuc]

It's not that they don't agree with me. Face it..Most police agencies don't have the man power needed to
cull all the MORON drivers.

Correct. That's why the morons should be culled before they get their licenses. We need to seriously raise the standards required to get a license.

 

[no1tovote4]

Letting people pass saves lives. Not slowing down. People are going to drive at the speed they are comfortable with. If they feel comfortable at 85 then they are going to drive 85 and you cant stop them. You can only make them pissed off at you and endanger others by forcing them into the right lanes.

And in CO you will get the ticket for camping in the Left lane...

Many states have a law that you need to keep to the right unless you are passing people for this very reason, it is dangerous to force others to pass you on the right and to camp out. It is not your reponsibility to make sure others are going the speed limit and if you are in the way you are in the wrong if you camp in the left lanes.

 

[dmp]

It's not that they don't agree with me. Face it..Most police agencies don't have the man power needed to
cull all the MORON drivers.

...so instead, they go after people driving 68mph in a 60 zone, and ignoring the 'low-fine' tickets such as 'driving in the left lane w/o passing.'

 

[archangel]

It's a good thing most Police Agencies don't agree with you.

Police give a 5mph error on spedometer calibration error...after that it is up the the individual officer to ticket or not...mood of the day plays a big part...sorry..."been there done that!"

 

[dmp]

Police give a 5mph error on spedometer calibration error...after that it is up the the individual officer to ticket or not...mood of the day plays a big part...sorry..."been there done that!"

Depending on the guidance they get from higher - we had this stupid "Zero Tolerance" phase last summer over speeding. I know of people who literally got pulled over for 62mph in a 60 zone.

Look, as long as bureaucrats are running the police forces, they will worry about one thing: Money.

If Traffic Laws were enforced STRICTLY over safety and traffic flow, as they are suggested to be for, You'd know at least SOMEBODY who got nabbed for 'not passing while in the left lane'.

I've been driving for 15 years - I've yet to meet ONE.

OTOH, I have PERSONALLY got a ticket for 25mph in a 30 zone..."Speeding is speeding" the officer told me.

(sigh).

 

[archangel]

Depending on the guidance they get from higher - we had this stupid "Zero Tolerance" phase last summer over speeding. I know of people who literally got pulled over for 62mph in a 60 zone.

Look, as long as bureaucrats are running the police forces, they will worry about one thing: Money.

If Traffic Laws were enforced STRICTLY over safety and traffic flow, as they are suggested to be for, You'd know at least SOMEBODY who got nabbed for 'not passing while in the left lane'.

I've been driving for 15 years - I've yet to meet ONE.

OTOH, I have PERSONALLY got a ticket for 25mph in a 30 zone..."Speeding is speeding" the officer told me.


after the 5mph error zone it is up to the individual officer...get a grip..."just the facts mam...just the facts" Ya may not like it but it will hold up in a court of law...and also sometimes really cute girls bat their eyes to sway the officers decision...again depends on the officers mood that day..."thats all folks"

 

[GotZoom]

Depending on the guidance they get from higher - we had this stupid "Zero Tolerance" phase last summer over speeding. I know of people who literally got pulled over for 62mph in a 60 zone.

Look, as long as bureaucrats are running the police forces, they will worry about one thing: Money.

If Traffic Laws were enforced STRICTLY over safety and traffic flow, as they are suggested to be for, You'd know at least SOMEBODY who got nabbed for 'not passing while in the left lane'.

I've been driving for 15 years - I've yet to meet ONE.

OTOH, I have PERSONALLY got a ticket for 25mph in a 30 zone..."Speeding is speeding" the officer told me.


after the 5mph error zone it is up to the individual officer...get a grip..."just the facts mam...just the facts" Ya may not like it but it will hold up in a court of law...and also sometimes really cute girls bat their eyes to sway the officers decision...again depends on the officers mood that day..."thats all folks"

I know people who lost their "5 mph" case in court. "Speeding is speeding."

And of course, those cute girls can get out of a 50 MPH over the speed limit ticket - I also know people who have done that too.

 

[USViking]

Untrue - Cars going the same or similiar speeds travel in MUCH more safety than cars with a great variety of speeds.

Here's WA Left-Lane Law, btw:

Quote:
RCW 46.61.100
Keep right except when passing, etc.
(1) Upon all roadways of sufficient width a vehicle shall be driven upon the right half of the roadway, except as follows:

(a) When overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction under the rules governing such movement;

(b) When an obstruction exists making it necessary to drive to the left of the center of the highway; provided, any person so doing shall yield the right of way to all vehicles traveling in the proper direction upon the unobstructed portion of the highway within such distance as to constitute an immediate hazard;

(c) Upon a roadway divided into three marked lanes and providing for two-way movement traffic under the rules applicable thereon; or

(d) Upon a street or highway restricted to one-way traffic.

(2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, or (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted. On any such roadway, a vehicle or combination over ten thousand pounds shall be driven only in the right-hand lane except under the conditions enumerated in (a) through (d) of this subsection.

(3) No vehicle towing a trailer or no vehicle or combination over ten thousand pounds may be driven in the left-hand lane of a limited access roadway having three or more lanes for traffic moving in one direction except when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when a left turn is legally permitted. This subsection does not apply to a vehicle using a high-occupancy vehicle lane. A high-occupancy vehicle lane is not considered the left-hand lane of a roadway. The department of transportation, in consultation with the Washington state patrol, shall adopt rules specifying (a) those circumstances where it is permissible for other vehicles to use the left lane in case of emergency or to facilitate the orderly flow of traffic, and (b) those segments of limited access roadway to be exempt from this subsection due to the operational characteristics of the roadway.

(4) It is a traffic infraction to drive continuously in the left lane of a multilane roadway when it impedes the flow of other traffic.

(5) Upon any roadway having four or more lanes for moving traffic and providing for two-way movement of traffic, a vehicle shall not be driven to the left of the center line of the roadway except when authorized by official traffic control devices designating certain lanes to the left side of the center of the roadway for use by traffic not otherwise permitted to use such lanes, or except as permitted under subsection (1)(b) of this section. However, this subsection shall not be construed as prohibiting the crossing of the center line in making a left turn into or from an alley, private road or driveway.


[1997 c 253 § 1; 1986 c 93 § 2; 1972 ex.s. c 33 § 1; 1969 ex.s. c 281 § 46; 1967 ex.s. c 145 § 58; 1965 ex.s. c 155 § 15.]



Note what is absent. What was NOT written was how I think Most of the uninformed believe:

(2) Upon all roadways having two or more lanes for traffic moving in the same direction, all vehicles shall be driven in the right-hand lane then available for traffic, except (a) when overtaking and passing another vehicle proceeding in the same direction, (b) when traveling at a speed greater than the traffic flow, (c) when moving left to allow traffic to merge, (d) when preparing for a left turn at an intersection, exit, or into a private road or driveway when such left turn is legally permitted, or (e) As long as you are driving at the speed limit. On any such roadway, a vehicle or combination over ten thousand pounds shall be driven only in the right-hand lane except under the conditions enumerated in (a) through (d) of this subsection.

I had no idea there were such detailed laws anywhere stipulating which lanes you were supposed to drive in.

Washington state may have unusually anal traffic laws. When my brother applied for a license there, he was docked points on the road test for driving with one hand on the wheel, and the other on the stick shift.

I myself usually drive 5 to 9 (not 10) mph over the speed limit, and when there are two lanes in each direction I drive in the left lane as much as possible because the range is visibility is almost always SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS GREATER than in the right lane. Naturally, if some moron is barrelling up behind me at 20mph over the limit, I'll pull right and let him go past.

 

[dmp]

I had no idea there were such detailed laws anywhere stipulating which lanes you were supposed to drive in.

Washington state may have unusually anal traffic laws. When my brother applied for a license there, he was docked points on the road test for driving with one hand on the wheel, and the other on the stick shift.

I myself usually drive 5 to 9 (not 10) mph over the speed limit, and when there are two lanes in each direction I drive in the left lane as much as possible because the range is visibility is almost always SEVERAL HUNDRED YARDS GREATER than in the right lane. Naturally, if some moron is barrelling up behind me at 20mph over the limit, I'll pull right and let him go past.

North Carolina provides that A vehicle CAN drive in the left-most lane, unless it's not doing the speed limit.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/Statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0020

 

[USViking]

North Carolina provides that A vehicle CAN drive in the left-most lane, unless it's not doing the speed limit.

http://www.ncga.state.nc.us/gascripts/Statutes/StatutesTOC.pl?Chapter=0020

Thanks very much for the information.

I actually do most of my highway driving in Virginia. Can you tell me what the law is there?