Do not fall for people who CLAIM TO BE LIBERTARIAN, only to censor speech more than anyone else

[dblack]

I don't agree with this. Voting for someone means exactly what you, the voter, say it means.

The inner thoughts of a voter are irrelevant. If you pull the lever for Trump, the only thing it means, to the rest of the world, is that you want Trump for President. The rest is bed-time stories.

 

[TNHarley]

support him over the option,,

I bet if you asked anyone of them they will say trump is far from the perfect candidate because hes not conservative enough,,

Part of the reason why we cant get some decent candidates.
Hell man, its getting so bad, the Dems wont even let their people vote for them anymore!

 

[progressive hunter]

Is a stupid presumption and doesn't absolve you of the fact that you are supporting him. No one knows who you're supposedly voting "against".

Which is why our elections produce shittier and shittier results every time.

if youre waiting for a candidate that you agree with 100% youre better off going skydiving without a parachute,,

this will be the first time in my 30 yrs of voting where I vote for either a dem or repube at the fed level..

trump has just enough this time I can give him my vote and not feel like I am abandoning my principles,,

 

[TNHarley]

I don't agree with this. Voting for someone means exactly what you, the voter, say it means.

I respect that. I dont agree but I can respect it.

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

The inner thoughts of a voter are irrelevant. If you pull the lever for Trump, the only thing it means, to the rest of the world, is your approval of Trump for President. The rest is bed-time stories.

Honestly, I would say the opposite. What the rest of the world thinks is irrelevant.

 

[progressive hunter]

Part of the reason why we cant get some decent candidates.
Hell man, its getting so bad, the Dems wont even let their people vote for them anymore!

has it ever crossed your mind why both establishment partys not just dont like trump but hate his guts and are willing to destroy the country to keep him out??

I would like to know why these people youre talking about hate trump so much,,

 

[progressive hunter]

I respect that. I dont agree but I can respect it.

but when I basically said the same thing you said noithing about respecting it,,

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

I respect that. I dont agree but I can respect it.

Certainly fair enough.

 

[dblack]

Honestly, I would say the opposite. What the rest of the world thinks is irrelevant.

Well, the relevancy that matters here is the vote count. With our current election system (plurality voting), the intent of the voter is completely lost in that calculation.

 

[pknopp]

Vast generalization with no evidence anyone has done so.

Nice.

 

[TNHarley]

has it ever crossed your mind why both establishment partys not just dont like trump but hate his guts and are willing to destroy the country to keep him out??

I would like to know why these people youre talking about hate trump so much,,

I dont understand the mass hysteria. If you look beyond the hyperbole, he isnt any different than any other pol.

 

[progressive hunter]

I dont understand the mass hysteria. If you look beyond the hyperbole, he isnt any different than any other pol.

other than the fact hes never been a politician and has ran successful business for decades,,

that sounds more like he is not your average politician and saw whats happening and made the hard choice to get involved,,

and for that the people youve said we should fear have gone after him in every legal and illegal way they can think of including trying to murder him,,

 

[Kevin_Kennedy]

Well, the relevancy that matters here is the vote count. With our current election system (plurality voting), the intent of the voter is completely lost in that calculation.

I think it's safe to say that if someone voted for Trump then they want Trump to win that election, so yes, the vote count is what matters to that. But it doesn't follow that if I were to vote for Trump then somebody else gets to tell me that I have some approval of Trump beyond what I say that I have with any credibility. My intent may not matter in any grand sense, but it matters in terms of what other people get to tell me about what I think.

 

[EMH]

Lots of this going on these days,

People profess to be LIBERTARIAN. That means LIBERTY FIRST. Murray Rothbard and the non aggression principle….Mises Caucus…

When someone claims they are LIBERTARIAN, but constantly censor…they are really just a lying communist.

LOOK AT WHAT PEOPLE DO….NOT WHAT THEY SAY.

What can those of us who are libertarians say, our "party" nominated a homo who loves Murderous Fraud Vax MANDATES....


If they are frauds, BUST THEM. There are too many frauds in the GOP and the LP.

 

[buttercup]

I dont understand the mass hysteria. If you look beyond the hyperbole, he isnt any different than any other pol.

Same! I too don't get why people are so gaga crazy for him. I mean, yeah, he is a character. He is charismatic. But I guess because I have intuitively felt from the start that he is playing a role (and I have many reasons for thinking that) to me it doesn't matter how "fun" or how good a speaker he is, or anything like that. In the same way that it didn't matter how great a speaker or how charismatic Obama was, he was still a fraud, an Establishment puppet. But once again history repeats itself, only this time it's the Red team who is being hoodwinked.

 

[progressive hunter]

Same! I too don't get why people are so gaga crazy for him. I mean, yeah, he is a character. He is charismatic. But I guess because I have intuitively felt from the start that he is playing a role (and I have many reasons for thinking that) to me it doesn't matter how "fun" or how good a speaker he is, or anything like that. In the same way that it didn't matter how great a speaker or how charismatic Obama was, he was still a fraud, an Establishment puppet. But once again history repeats itself, only this time it's the Red team who is being hoodwinked.

I hope you dont think everyone that votes for trump is GAGA over him,,,

you are aware the long time established members of that red team youre so worried about dont really like trump,,

dont you wonder why??

 

[dblack]

I hope you dont think everyone that votes for trump is GAGA over him,,,

you are aware the long time established members of that red team youre so worried about dont really like trump,,

dont you wonder why??

I don't. It doesn't matter.

 

[buttercup]

I hope you dont think everyone that votes for trump is GAGA over him,,,

you are aware the long time established members of that red team youre so worried about dont really like trump,,

dont you wonder why??

Yes, I know that not everyone who votes for Trump is one of those starry-eyed crazy about him types. I know that many folks feel like they have no choice, which is what typically happens every four years.... Voters "hold their nose" and vote for their party's candidate no matter what, just to make sure the other side doesn't win.

As I've said before, that's exactly what the scam is, the powers-that-shouldn't-be KNOW that people will end up voting for their party's candidate, even if they're not crazy about him/her, simply to vote against the other side. Out of fear. Which is why the PTSB are constantly creating that fear, by planting seeds in the public like "If we don't vote for _____, we're going to have a communist dictatorship!" and then to the opposing side, the message is "If we don't vote for _____, we're going to have a fascist dictatorship!" So both sides are so fearful of the other side winning, that they're willing to lower their standards and vote for someone they ordinarily wouldn't. It's a scam. The PTSB control both sides. It's been a scam a very long time. I'm getting tired of repeating this though, so.... if people haven't figured it out by now, maybe we deserve to lose this country.

 

[progressive hunter]

Yes, I know that not everyone who votes for Trump is one of those starry-eyed crazy about him types. I know that many folks feel like they have no choice, which is what typically happens every four years.... Voters "hold their nose" and vote for their party's candidate no matter what, just to make sure the other side doesn't win.

As I've said before, that's exactly what the scam is, the powers-that-shouldn't-be KNOW that people will end up voting for their party's candidate, even if they're not crazy about him/her, simply to vote against the other side. Out of fear. Which is why the PTSB are constantly creating that fear, by planting seeds in the public like "If we don't vote for _____, we're going to have a communist dictatorship!" and then to the opposing side, the message is "If we don't vote for _____, we're going to have a fascist dictatorship!" So both sides are so fearful of the other side winning, that they're willing to lower their standards and vote for someone they ordinarily wouldn't. It's a scam. The PTSB control both sides. It's been a scam a very long time. I'm getting tired of repeating this though, so.... if people haven't figured it out by now, maybe we deserve to lose this country.

unless youre willing to vote for the constitution party there isnt any other logical choice,,

the LP are running with a radical leftist that in no way is a libertarian,,

and sure trump could be a sleeper and nothing hes already done or wants to do will happen and he will laugh at us while doing what repubes always do which is stab their voters in the back,,

but what are the chances of that,,

 

[dblack]

It's been a scam a very long time. I'm getting tired of repeating this though, so.... if people haven't figured it out by now, maybe we deserve to lose this country.

You can lead a horse to water ...