Do gays choose to be gay? How can we refuse equal rights?

[Redfish]

It's equal treatment under the law.

Is that too much to ask?

What does it matter if a married couple is same sex or not?

The marriage of convenience has been around a long time and no one ever complains about that.

They have equal treatment under the law. Gay men can marry exactly the same people straight men can. How is that discrimination? It is total equality.

I don't see how a same sex married couple is any different from a hetero married couple.

Marriage is a property contract that has been given special standing in society that is all.

It's really no big deal.

are you OK with bigamy and polygamy as well? after all, those "marriages" are nothing but property contracts between a group of people.

 

[Seawytch]

They have equal treatment under the law. Gay men can marry exactly the same people straight men can. How is that discrimination? It is total equality.

I don't see how a same sex married couple is any different from a hetero married couple.

Marriage is a property contract that has been given special standing in society that is all.

It's really no big deal.

are you OK with bigamy and polygamy as well? after all, those "marriages" are nothing but property contracts between a group of people.

If they successfully petition to have their multi-unit relationship recognized as legal, yes I would support it. Ain't gonna happen, but I would support them.

 

[Vandalshandle]

I find it fascinating how many people are concerned about who I can marry. It so happens that I am straight, so I have married women, so I enjoy the approval of all homophobes. I assume that they are deeply concerned about my divorces as well. How come none of them sent me a "condolence" or "contradulations!" card when that happened?

Oh well. I never expect to marry again, so I guess that I am off their radar, now.

 

[The Rabbi]

They have equal treatment under the law. Gay men can marry exactly the same people straight men can. How is that discrimination? It is total equality.

You are so stupid you don't even know how stupid you sound. "A gay man can marry a woman."

You are a throwback to the Klansmen who used to oppose interracial marriage by saying, "A white woman can marry a white man."

The arguments of bigots then and now are unchanged.

You're rather clueless and prove it with almost every post.

The Constitution does not distinguish between men. All men should have the same rights. Currently that is the case. The homos want additional rights, the right to marry another man. Men do not have this right currently. All men. There is no man that can marry another man, no woman who can marry another woman (except in deviant states of course). That sounds like equal rights to me.

 

[The Rabbi]

I find it fascinating how many people are concerned about who I can marry. It so happens that I am straight, so I have married women, so I enjoy the approval of all homophobes. I assume that they are deeply concerned about my divorces as well. How come none of them sent me a "condolence" or "contradulations!" card when that happened?

Oh well. I never expect to marry again, so I guess that I am off their radar, now.

Actually no one gives a shit what your domestic relations are.

btw, while you were married to one wife did you go off and marry another one? If not that sounds like discrimination to me, as other men could still marry that same woman.

 

[NLT]

This is what pisses me off.

Most mainstream Americans do not give a rats ass if Homos want to **** each other.

Most mainstream americans dont give a rats ass if homos want to marry.

What does bother most non gay americans is the fact that these homos gotta shove thier lifestyle in everyones face, force it into day to day life, force into the schools, force it into the media, force into law.
Everyone knows they are a small fraction of the population and they want to make thier way of life acceptable to everyone wether you like it or not.

Tell me, bodey & seawytch, when you get the national legal marriage (all 50 states) will you be happy and shut the **** up? ...NOPE

next in line....school will have to teach a homo history and sensivtitity class.

Free sex changes for transgenders

ect ect ect ect ect ect . This crap will never ever ******* end.

And you wonder why so many people hate your ******* guts

 

[Skull Pilot]

gays can make a legal committment to each other by use of several enforceable documents. But thats not what they are after--------they want the govt to force the rest of us to condone and sanction their gay union as a marriage.

Its all about the word "marriage" not equality---they already have equality.

So what?

Isn't it stupid to say that someone will have all the rights and benefits of marriage and yet refuse to call it that?

You don't have to accept people being gay you just have to tolerate it.

Can you give me a cogent rational argument on why any two adults who so choose should not be recognized as legally married?

It comes down to a basic belief regarding human society and what is best for a majority.

Gay marriage is an aberation in the minds of a majority of human beings.

you can try to refute that simple truth if you like, but thats what it comes down to.

We are not a simple majority rules society are we?

And as far as what's best for "society" even though I hate the term is that all contributing members reap the benefits of that society. And if special legal rights and privileges are bestowed via marriage then that contract should be available to any and all.

 

[Skull Pilot]

They have equal treatment under the law. Gay men can marry exactly the same people straight men can. How is that discrimination? It is total equality.

I don't see how a same sex married couple is any different from a hetero married couple.

Marriage is a property contract that has been given special standing in society that is all.

It's really no big deal.

are you OK with bigamy and polygamy as well? after all, those "marriages" are nothing but property contracts between a group of people.

I don't really care.

it would have no effect on my life whatsoever and I am not one to tell others how to live and be happy. As long as they don't bother anyone else or violate anyone's rights I'm fine with it.

 

[g5000]

They have equal treatment under the law. Gay men can marry exactly the same people straight men can. How is that discrimination? It is total equality.

You are so stupid you don't even know how stupid you sound. "A gay man can marry a woman."

You are a throwback to the Klansmen who used to oppose interracial marriage by saying, "A white woman can marry a white man."

The arguments of bigots then and now are unchanged.

You're rather clueless and prove it with almost every post.

The Constitution does not distinguish between men. All men should have the same rights. Currently that is the case. The homos want additional rights, the right to marry another man. Men do not have this right currently. All men. There is no man that can marry another man, no woman who can marry another woman (except in deviant states of course). That sounds like equal rights to me.

Of course it sounds equal to you. Because you are an idiot.

 

[bodecea]

gays can make a legal committment to each other by use of several enforceable documents. But thats not what they are after--------they want the govt to force the rest of us to condone and sanction their gay union as a marriage.

Its all about the word "marriage" not equality---they already have equality.

So what?

Isn't it stupid to say that someone will have all the rights and benefits of marriage and yet refuse to call it that?

You don't have to accept people being gay you just have to tolerate it.

Can you give me a cogent rational argument on why any two adults who so choose should not be recognized as legally married?

It comes down to a basic belief regarding human society and what is best for a majority.

Gay marriage is an aberation in the minds of a majority of human beings.

you can try to refute that simple truth if you like, but thats what it comes down to.

Then...don't have a gay marriage. It's really quite simple.

 

[bodecea]

This is what pisses me off.

Most mainstream Americans do not give a rats ass if Homos want to **** each other.

Most mainstream americans dont give a rats ass if homos want to marry.

What does bother most non gay americans is the fact that these homos gotta shove thier lifestyle in everyones face, force it into day to day life, force into the schools, force it into the media, force into law.
Everyone knows they are a small fraction of the population and they want to make thier way of life acceptable to everyone wether you like it or not.

Tell me, bodey & seawytch, when you get the national legal marriage (all 50 states) will you be happy and shut the **** up? ...NOPE

next in line....school will have to teach a homo history and sensivtitity class.

Free sex changes for transgenders

ect ect ect ect ect ect . This crap will never ever ******* end.

And you wonder why so many people hate your ******* guts

Bootlicker sure likes to talk about "*******", doesn't he?

 

[P@triot]

Oh Puppy, really? A country of immigrants and you think this is the first time the US has recognized a citizens marriage from another country?

Validity of Marriages Abroad

In general, unless the marriage breaks U.S. state laws, marriages which are legally performed and valid abroad are also legally valid in the United States. Inquiries regarding the validity of a marriage abroad should be directed to the attorney general of the state in the United States where the parties to the marriage live.​

Marriage of United States Citizens Abroad -- Validity of Foreign Marriages

No stupid - I didn't say this was "the first time". I said the U.S. was not legally bound to do so until now.

It's so sad how disingenuous you become when your having your ass handed to you in a debate. You know exactly what I said - but you can't be a big girl when you're wrong so you have to PRETEND like you didn't understand.

Puppy, this wasn't the first time marriages performed in another country were adjudicated here. You're bringing up some really silly shit. Out of other ludicrous arguments?

And Seabytch continues her disingenuous bullshit, clearly indicating she is getting her ass handed to her by more informed people. This is the tactics she uses when she's defeated.

Again, nobody ever said this was "the first time" for anything. The facts remain (no matter how many times you run from them because you've been thoroughly defeated) that we now have a Supreme Court precedence which forces us to recognize the marriages of other nations.

So you know that polygamy thing you are against? Well thanks to people like your dumb-ass, we are now forced to recognize a muslim marriage of 1 jerk and 13 women.

Want to try your disingenuous bullshit again Seabytch, or are you tired of being humiliated?

 

[thanatos144]

I dont care if homos chose to be homos or not I just wish they chose to shut the **** up about it....WE DONT CARE THAT YOU SMOKE POLE ! There is a reason sex is called private .

 

[NLT]

This is what pisses me off.

Most mainstream Americans do not give a rats ass if Homos want to **** each other.

Most mainstream americans dont give a rats ass if homos want to marry.

What does bother most non gay americans is the fact that these homos gotta shove thier lifestyle in everyones face, force it into day to day life, force into the schools, force it into the media, force into law.
Everyone knows they are a small fraction of the population and they want to make thier way of life acceptable to everyone wether you like it or not.

Tell me, bodey & seawytch, when you get the national legal marriage (all 50 states) will you be happy and shut the **** up? ...NOPE

next in line....school will have to teach a homo history and sensivtitity class.

Free sex changes for transgenders

ect ect ect ect ect ect . This crap will never ever ******* end.

And you wonder why so many people hate your ******* guts

Bootlicker sure likes to talk about "*******", doesn't he?

Bulldyke bodey's "*******" involves strapping on what she wishes god gave me and not her...bummer *****.

 

[gallantwarrior]

Exactly - you're 100% dead-set against it. But if you admit that, it shows that you are not only a hypocrite, but also the "insensitive bigot" that you accuse everyone else of being.

The fact is, the precious "COURT" ruling that you love to scream now means that we MUST as a nation recognize 1 jerk being married to 13 women. You'd know that if you were actually informed on the item you support (just fellow Dumbocrat Nancy Pelosi and the rest of the filth in Washington from that party, Seawytch here didn't read the suit before she supported it).

Way to go homosexuals - pat yourselves on the back for a job well done just further ******* this nation.

No, I'm not "dead set" against it, I'm saying that I simply don't see it working from a legal standpoint because there are more than two parties involved. Nothing more than a word or two on a license has to change for gays to have equal access to civil marriage. That would not be true of Polygamy.

The DOMA ruling means nothing of the sort.


Spelling errors courtesy of auto-correct

Sadly, it does (and sadly, you don't even know that despite supporting it). The DOMA suit was brought by a gay woman who was not even married in the U.S. - she was married in Canada. Thus the ruling now creates the precedence that we MUST recognize the marriage of foreigners, including muslims with 52 wives.

So glad that you forge ahead supporting things that you are ill-informed on. Any wonder why this nation is on the verge of collapse when we have Dumbocrats like this running around screaming support for things they don't understand?

Now that is an interesting question. If a muslim with multiple wives wishes to immigrate to the US, must we also acknowledge his multiple wives? Are each of the wives eligible for benefits, or will benefits be limited on a per-family basis?

 

[gallantwarrior]

It doesn't matter if people choose to be gay or not.

No adult should be barred from entering a property contract which is all marriage is.

My partner and I have several "contracts" involving property. No marriage license needed. But there is paperwork involved.

 

[gallantwarrior]

What right is really taken away besides marriage and the things that go with that and that is not in every state?? I am for gay marriage and I am considered a right winger. You cant chose who you fall in love with .. BUT they get all other rights . And we are not telling they cant have a relation ships. Marriage needs to be out of government anyway and just go with a forms for things like seeing a family member in the hospital, YOUR KING can amend his Healthcare law saying they have to accept domestic partners on their insurance and a WILL would stop other family members from taking things if your DP or husband ... Tax purposes. GO flat tax and that ends all that crap.Marriage should be in churches. The other stuff should be done separate.. So they make their own churches so they dont have to lose that right. And since no tax breaks if we all have FLAT taxes they wont need that either

Yes, this is a refrain I hear over and over and over...but where's the legislation? In 20 years of talking about marriage equality, not once have I seen a state legislature or our Congress introduce a bill that would take the government out of the "marriage business". Why is that I wonder?

I wish someone would , I would vote for it! As long as they change the law that my husband can come see me in the ICU or get Power of Attorney or anything a spouse can get now legally.. If gays want to considered married in their eyes, get married no one is stopping them . They dont even have to do the vows at a church. But if they want it in the church,( which by the way is in the constitution)
doesnt believe in gay marriage they should not be required by the government to have them. Build their own churches. No one is stopping them!

Why can you not issue a Power of Attorney to your "husband"? I know hetero couples who have never married but who have managed to attain legal ability to do many of the things gays claim they cannot. (PS: Alaska does not recognize common law marriage.)

 

[gallantwarrior]

It doesn't matter if people choose to be gay or not.

No adult should be barred from entering a property contract which is all marriage is.

And they aren't, stupid. They can get a "property contract" any time they want you ignorant ****. You do not need marriage for a contract, asshole.

The fact that you believe "entering a property contract which is all marriage is" shows what a brainless libtard twit you are (and why you people are such a cancer to America).

Marriage is nothing but a property contract you idiot there is nothing sacred about it.

And if you think I'm some liberal democrat then you're obviously new here.

A contract that says she trades her services (breeding children) for his goods (roof over her head, food on the table, etc).

 

[gallantwarrior]

I don't see how a same sex married couple is any different from a hetero married couple.

Marriage is a property contract that has been given special standing in society that is all.

It's really no big deal.

are you OK with bigamy and polygamy as well? after all, those "marriages" are nothing but property contracts between a group of people.

If they successfully petition to have their multi-unit relationship recognized as legal, yes I would support it. Ain't gonna happen, but I would support them.

Why could it not happen? If government recognizes "same sex" unions, why not multi-partnered unions?

 

[Seawytch]

are you OK with bigamy and polygamy as well? after all, those "marriages" are nothing but property contracts between a group of people.

If they successfully petition to have their multi-unit relationship recognized as legal, yes I would support it. Ain't gonna happen, but I would support them.

Why could it not happen? If government recognizes "same sex" unions, why not multi-partnered unions?

Because you can ascribe a societal harm to polygamy.Polygamy is the oldest and most practiced form of marriage in societies. What history has shown is that it usually leads to one man, multiple wives and single, pissed off men.

http://www.slate.com/articles/double_x/doublex/2012/01/the_problem_with_polygamy.html

http://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/women-who-stray/201202/why-men-gave-polygamy