Do Federal/State/Local Governments Create Jobs?

[Iceweasel]

I'm amused that when the GOP is cashing their checks, Corporations are people. When it's not a convenient argument on another topic...you guys disavow what your party's nominee believes.

I'm amused when you try to think.

People are often amused by things they don't recognize...you've never had a cogent thought before so I can see how you're bewildered by it.

I recognize you for the low browed spitball thrower you are. GOP cashing their checks? What does that even mean? And you don't understand the SCOTUS ruling, it doesn't state that corporations are people.

 

[haissem123]

Deliver ANYTHING...ANYWHERE

Find me a single private company that will even come to your home for 50 cents

You claim they are so much more efficient than the Post Office. Show me a single example of the efficiency of private industry that can match the post office delivering a letter cross country for 50 cents

We'll never know until Congress makes it legal.

So what are you and the Postal Union afraid of?

Lets be honest Fingerboy

Private industry would balk at the idea of having to pick up letters at private homes and deliver them to homes coast to coast for 50 cents. They can't do it
They would insist on limited delivery days only to routes that are profitable
Postal delivery to rural areas would cease to exist

Postal delivery to rural areas would cease to exist
no it wouldnt...they would just leave it for the PO to do....like they do now....

Well, that's not taking over the duties of the PO now...is it?

any discussion about privatizing the PO that i have ever seen, whatever Company takes over the PO would be responsible for the stuff the PO does now.....like Rural deliveries....

I don't know why anybody would want to privatize the post office. Stupid idea. We've had enough with economic malfunction forced by our personal greed. Enough with the few, ie privatization of prisons, po, schools, etc.. getting rich as the many doing the work get less and less. **** off and go to hell all you privatizors. you are worse then the idea of government of the people for the peole.

 

[Nosmo King]

In my example of asbestos regulations, the government did not write those regulations to create jobs. The regulations were written to assure public health and safgety. How that assurance is met was developed by private industry. Industry that manufacture Personal Protective equipment (PPE). That PPE was not designed to be used EXCLUSIVLEY for asbestos abatement, but in response to asbestos abatement.

The government did not write regs to create jobs. The jobs were created to respond, but the equipment and the expertise has gone on to benefit everyone, not just to fit a government mandate.

I didn't say they wrote the laws to make jobs. You bypassed my question once again.

This question? The one you posed in post #668?

But you ignored....Why not regulate everyone a job?

The government did not regulate to create jobs. Jobs were created by private industry to allow everyone to comply with the regs.

So no, we should not write legislation to create jobs. But sometimes jobs are created in the private sector in response to government actions.

 

[candycorn]

Deliver ANYTHING...ANYWHERE

Find me a single private company that will even come to your home for 50 cents

You claim they are so much more efficient than the Post Office. Show me a single example of the efficiency of private industry that can match the post office delivering a letter cross country for 50 cents

We'll never know until Congress makes it legal.

So what are you and the Postal Union afraid of?

Lets be honest Fingerboy

Private industry would balk at the idea of having to pick up letters at private homes and deliver them to homes coast to coast for 50 cents. They can't do it
They would insist on limited delivery days only to routes that are profitable
Postal delivery to rural areas would cease to exist

Postal delivery to rural areas would cease to exist
no it wouldnt...they would just leave it for the PO to do....like they do now....

Well, that's not taking over the duties of the PO now...is it?

any discussion about privatizing the PO that i have ever seen, whatever Company takes over the PO would be responsible for the stuff the PO does now.....like Rural deliveries....

I know...I feel the same way that you do. But the argument is creating jobs and the private sector being able to do whatever the government can do.

The leadership would be doing the nation a favor if they leveled with the people and instituted a plan to wind down the Postal Service.

 

[candycorn]

Corporations are people....
Governments are people...

Both hires people to perform a task and pays them

Yet one creates jobs and the other one doesn't?

No. Corporations are not people. People can be an employee of or an owner of a corporation. But a corporation is nothing more than the name of an organization.

No. Governments are not people... People can be an employee of a or a political leader in a government. But a government is nothing more than the name of an organization formed by the people.

But Romney said Corporations are people.

Was he lying?

I didn't think you would ever believe a Republican.

I'm amused that when the GOP is cashing their checks, Corporations are people. When it's not a convenient argument on another topic...you guys disavow what your party's nominee believes.

Have you ever seen a corporation sitting on a toilet or catching the flu? Debate over ... you lose.

I was just quoting the most prominent republican in the nation...YOUR party's nominee for President last time out.

Was he lying?

 

[Harry Dresden]

I never said first class mail. Again you are making that up. I said mail. Mail is a generic term.
The private guys can't put stuff in your USPTO owned mail box, unless they are being contracted by the USPTO. But they can put stuff in a privately owned mail box at your home or place of business that is designated for non-first class mail shit. The reason for the first class mail rule is they don't want the private guys taking your paychecks or outgoing payments. That said the USPTO subs out to private firms and independent contractors for some deliveries and vice versa. Many incoming and outgoing items don't even hit a mail box of any kind.

I thought you didn't want to have a discussion on this.

Wrong. The reason for it is because Postal workers don't want to compete with private firm who can do the same job for a lot less.

Show me a private firm that will pick up a letter from my home and deliver it to someone elses home on the other side of the country for under 50 cents

I dare you to show me a private firm that would deliver to the other side of town for 50 cents

That would obviously be impossible since it's illegal.

i will tell you a few things private firms wont do if they got to deliver the 1st class....First-Class Mail prices are the same regardless of how far the mail travels and that postage includes forwarding and return services.....lets see a private firm want to do that without charging more for distance and forwarding and return service....

They may charge more, or they may not. It depends on whether the difference in revenue will cover the cost of segregating mail based on the distance it travels.

Even if they do, so what? Why should a letter cost the same no matter where it's delivered?

what!.....you are here arguing about the PO and you have no idea why a Universal PO was developed by Franklin and company?.....there is reason for that Bri...they have been doing this for 200 plus years?....

 

[Lakhota]

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[Iceweasel]

In my example of asbestos regulations, the government did not write those regulations to create jobs. The regulations were written to assure public health and safgety. How that assurance is met was developed by private industry. Industry that manufacture Personal Protective equipment (PPE). That PPE was not designed to be used EXCLUSIVLEY for asbestos abatement, but in response to asbestos abatement.

The government did not write regs to create jobs. The jobs were created to respond, but the equipment and the expertise has gone on to benefit everyone, not just to fit a government mandate.

I didn't say they wrote the laws to make jobs. You bypassed my question once again.

This question? The one you posed in post #668?

But you ignored....Why not regulate everyone a job?

The government did not regulate to create jobs. Jobs were created by private industry to allow everyone to comply with the regs.

So no, we should not write legislation to create jobs. But sometimes jobs are created in the private sector in response to government actions.

Again, that's like me hiring Joe Blow to go find things to fix on a house, then he subcontracts drywall, brick, paint etc. and then you saying Joe created jobs.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. The reason for it is because Postal workers don't want to compete with private firm who can do the same job for a lot less.

Show me a private firm that will pick up a letter from my home and deliver it to someone elses home on the other side of the country for under 50 cents

I dare you to show me a private firm that would deliver to the other side of town for 50 cents

That would obviously be impossible since it's illegal.

i will tell you a few things private firms wont do if they got to deliver the 1st class....First-Class Mail prices are the same regardless of how far the mail travels and that postage includes forwarding and return services.....lets see a private firm want to do that without charging more for distance and forwarding and return service....

They may charge more, or they may not. It depends on whether the difference in revenue will cover the cost of segregating mail based on the distance it travels.

Even if they do, so what? Why should a letter cost the same no matter where it's delivered?

what!.....you are here arguing about the PO and you have no idea why a Universal PO was developed by Franklin and company?.....there is reason for that Bri...they have been doing this for 200 plus years?....

The rationalizations they came up with aren't important. Whatever they are, they are bogus. There is no justification for having government provide a service that the private sector can easily provide.

 

[rightwinger]

I never said first class mail. Again you are making that up. I said mail. Mail is a generic term.
The private guys can't put stuff in your USPTO owned mail box, unless they are being contracted by the USPTO. But they can put stuff in a privately owned mail box at your home or place of business that is designated for non-first class mail shit. The reason for the first class mail rule is they don't want the private guys taking your paychecks or outgoing payments. That said the USPTO subs out to private firms and independent contractors for some deliveries and vice versa. Many incoming and outgoing items don't even hit a mail box of any kind.

I thought you didn't want to have a discussion on this.

Wrong. The reason for it is because Postal workers don't want to compete with private firm who can do the same job for a lot less.

Show me a private firm that will pick up a letter from my home and deliver it to someone elses home on the other side of the country for under 50 cents

I dare you to show me a private firm that would deliver to the other side of town for 50 cents

That would obviously be impossible since it's illegal.

i will tell you a few things private firms wont do if they got to deliver the 1st class....First-Class Mail prices are the same regardless of how far the mail travels and that postage includes forwarding and return services.....lets see a private firm want to do that without charging more for distance and forwarding and return service....

They may charge more, or they may not. It depends on whether the difference in revenue will cover the cost of segregating mail based on the distance it travels.

Even if they do, so what? Why should a letter cost the same no matter where it's delivered?

So Fingerboy, you are already admitting defeat

The private sector taking over the Post Office would result in higher charges and lower worker pay and benefits

So much for the efficiency of the private sector

 

[rightwinger]

Show me a private firm that will pick up a letter from my home and deliver it to someone elses home on the other side of the country for under 50 cents

I dare you to show me a private firm that would deliver to the other side of town for 50 cents

That would obviously be impossible since it's illegal.

i will tell you a few things private firms wont do if they got to deliver the 1st class....First-Class Mail prices are the same regardless of how far the mail travels and that postage includes forwarding and return services.....lets see a private firm want to do that without charging more for distance and forwarding and return service....

They may charge more, or they may not. It depends on whether the difference in revenue will cover the cost of segregating mail based on the distance it travels.

Even if they do, so what? Why should a letter cost the same no matter where it's delivered?

what!.....you are here arguing about the PO and you have no idea why a Universal PO was developed by Franklin and company?.....there is reason for that Bri...they have been doing this for 200 plus years?....

The rationalizations they came up with aren't important. Whatever they are, they are bogus. There is no justification for having government provide a service that the private sector can easily provide.

Sure there is

If the government can do a task better and at a lower cost to the taxpayer, We the People benefit

There is no reason the taxpayers should have to provide profits to the private sector



.

 

[Lakhota]

As shown in my above post #687 - independent/private contractors already work for USPS. It isn't illegal.

 

[Iceweasel]

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NaziCon? LOL somebody has a teepee up their ass.
The people pay for the post office, the post office isn't creating shit. All the salaries, benefits, buildings, vehicles, maintenance, retirement, etc. are payed for by the people. Any shipping or mailing below market value is subsidized by the people. The government doesn't pull it out of their ass or pick the money off of trees.

The private sector can and should replace the post office. UPS and FedEx are much more up to date, people can email most shit these days, it's 2015 we don't need the Pony Express anymore.

 

[haissem123]

In my example of asbestos regulations, the government did not write those regulations to create jobs. The regulations were written to assure public health and safgety. How that assurance is met was developed by private industry. Industry that manufacture Personal Protective equipment (PPE). That PPE was not designed to be used EXCLUSIVLEY for asbestos abatement, but in response to asbestos abatement.

The government did not write regs to create jobs. The jobs were created to respond, but the equipment and the expertise has gone on to benefit everyone, not just to fit a government mandate.

I didn't say they wrote the laws to make jobs. You bypassed my question once again.

This question? The one you posed in post #668?

But you ignored....Why not regulate everyone a job?

The government did not regulate to create jobs. Jobs were created by private industry to allow everyone to comply with the regs.

So no, we should not write legislation to create jobs. But sometimes jobs are created in the private sector in response to government actions.

if private companies will not clean up after the wreckage the create economically, physically, socially, etc... then we all have to pay to have it cleaned up or run the real danger of having these sparks ignite ,burning our homes down. If you want some third world here and now then keep tearing this so called first world apart with our greed and vanity

 

[Harry Dresden]

Deliver ANYTHING...ANYWHERE

Find me a single private company that will even come to your home for 50 cents

You claim they are so much more efficient than the Post Office. Show me a single example of the efficiency of private industry that can match the post office delivering a letter cross country for 50 cents

We'll never know until Congress makes it legal.

So what are you and the Postal Union afraid of?

Lets be honest Fingerboy

Private industry would balk at the idea of having to pick up letters at private homes and deliver them to homes coast to coast for 50 cents. They can't do it
They would insist on limited delivery days only to routes that are profitable
Postal delivery to rural areas would cease to exist

Let's be honest, moron. Private industry can do anything government can do at a much lower price. I people want daily delivery, then that's what private enterprise will provide, and they'll do it cheaper than the government.

not in mail delivery,thats all ready been debunked over the years,i told you about the tests that have been run over the years by independent companies,but you only believe what you want to believe so no use talking about that.....

I don't know how you can determine the efficiency of private firms in the delivery of mail when it's illegal for them to do it.

geezus Bri....there are 3 major Mail,Parcel,Document delivery services.....they deliver things....an independent firm can monitor everything they deliver very easily...we had dozens of these firms monitoring everything we delivered over the years....and then we were compared to the other 2 ....ALL OF US were pretty dam close to one another in delivery times and consistency....the PO was so dam accurate and consistent that Fed and UPS have the PO deliver a hell of a lot of their packages in residential neighborhoods and Amazon....after doing trials with all 3 companies awarded the PO a Billion Dollar contract to deliver their parcels....they would not do this if the PO was as bad as you claim it is.....right now all 3 are scratching each others back and that is benefiting all of them....my opinion is that all 3 should merge......and each deliver what each one is better geared towards...

 

[Lakhota]

VIDEO: UPS Driver Caught Tossing Box, Urinating On House

I've never seen my USPS mail carrier doing such stuff. Have you?

 

[DriftingSand]

No. Corporations are not people. People can be an employee of or an owner of a corporation. But a corporation is nothing more than the name of an organization.

No. Governments are not people... People can be an employee of a or a political leader in a government. But a government is nothing more than the name of an organization formed by the people.

But Romney said Corporations are people.

Was he lying?

I didn't think you would ever believe a Republican.

I'm amused that when the GOP is cashing their checks, Corporations are people. When it's not a convenient argument on another topic...you guys disavow what your party's nominee believes.

Have you ever seen a corporation sitting on a toilet or catching the flu? Debate over ... you lose.

I was just quoting the most prominent republican in the nation...YOUR party's nominee for President last time out.

Was he lying?

I'm Independent ... not Republican. They're a bit too liberal for my blood but not nearly as bad as the Dumbocrat Party.

 

[Nosmo King]

In my example of asbestos regulations, the government did not write those regulations to create jobs. The regulations were written to assure public health and safgety. How that assurance is met was developed by private industry. Industry that manufacture Personal Protective equipment (PPE). That PPE was not designed to be used EXCLUSIVLEY for asbestos abatement, but in response to asbestos abatement.

The government did not write regs to create jobs. The jobs were created to respond, but the equipment and the expertise has gone on to benefit everyone, not just to fit a government mandate.

I didn't say they wrote the laws to make jobs. You bypassed my question once again.

This question? The one you posed in post #668?

But you ignored....Why not regulate everyone a job?

The government did not regulate to create jobs. Jobs were created by private industry to allow everyone to comply with the regs.

So no, we should not write legislation to create jobs. But sometimes jobs are created in the private sector in response to government actions.

Again, that's like me hiring Joe Blow to go find things to fix on a house, then he subcontracts drywall, brick, paint etc. and then you saying Joe created jobs.

More apt is :"There is something wrong with this house!" And Joe Blow and Vinny Bagodonuts and Sylvia Corneas come up with solutions to repair all the houses.

 

[bripat9643]

Wrong. The reason for it is because Postal workers don't want to compete with private firm who can do the same job for a lot less.

Show me a private firm that will pick up a letter from my home and deliver it to someone elses home on the other side of the country for under 50 cents

I dare you to show me a private firm that would deliver to the other side of town for 50 cents

That would obviously be impossible since it's illegal.

i will tell you a few things private firms wont do if they got to deliver the 1st class....First-Class Mail prices are the same regardless of how far the mail travels and that postage includes forwarding and return services.....lets see a private firm want to do that without charging more for distance and forwarding and return service....

They may charge more, or they may not. It depends on whether the difference in revenue will cover the cost of segregating mail based on the distance it travels.

Even if they do, so what? Why should a letter cost the same no matter where it's delivered?

So Fingerboy, you are already admitting defeat

The private sector taking over the Post Office would result in higher charges and lower worker pay and benefits

So much for the efficiency of the private sector

The only thing you proved is that you're too stupid to bother arguing with.

 

[Iceweasel]

if private companies will not clean up after the wreckage the create economically, physically, socially, etc... then we all have to pay to have it cleaned up or run the real danger of having these sparks ignite ,burning our homes down. If you want some third world here and now then keep tearing this so called first world apart with our greed and vanity

You're worried about Walmart burning down your spacious hovel? Can we be any more extreme? Who wants to eliminate fire ordinances?