Dimwinger Steny Hoyer ignorant of the Constitution...Trump should prove his innocence.

[Billy_Bob]

Trump extorts a foreign nation for domestic political gain for which there is ample evidence and the OP is having a hissy fit over Stoney Hoyer’s comment. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Get a grip.

LOL

But its A-OK for Quid-pro-quo-Joe Biden to do it....

 

[BluesLegend]

Trump extorts a foreign nation for domestic political gain for which there is ample evidence and the OP is having a hissy fit over Stoney Hoyer’s comment. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Get a grip.

LOL

But its A-OK for Quid-pro-quo-Joe Biden to do it....

Dem's are exempt, the fake news says so.

 

[Billy_Bob]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

LOL..

And Bribery was never mentioned in the articles... While Obstruction requires the exhausting of all legal avenues, Ie: the courts that democrats refused to use... One you lie about and the other is pure partisan bull shit.... Both are already DOA..

 

[imawhosure]

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

LOL..

And Bribery was never mentioned in the articles... While Obstruction requires the exhausting of all legal avenues, Ie: the courts that democrats refused to use... One you lie about and the other is pure partisan bull shit.... Both are already DOA..

by the time this is over, any decent Dems won’t even vote for their own party, lol. They have opened the door, and the GOP and Trump are going to walk through it, and take their lunch money.

 

[BULLDOG]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

True. Republicans voted as a block, just like they are expected to do in the senate. Whether he abused his power doesn't matter to the Trump party. All that counts from that side of the isle is that they have the power to shield Trump from being removed from office by impeachment. They probably won't be able to prevent the rest of the country from hearing evidence of his abuse of power. Trump's supporters are unwavering, but there just aren't enough of them to match the tsunami that he will face in the coming election, and the more his misbehavior is made known, the higher those waves will be. The Senate trial isn't about removing him from office at this point. It's about making sure the country is fully aware of his behavior before the election in November.

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

I'm content to have you continue to think that.

 

[BULLDOG]

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

I agree with you that Biden was chosen almost as soon as he announced.
But my main point was that once Bernies fan base realize that Bernie never had a chance once again because of the mechanizations of the Dems they may turn against the party that they see as screwing them twice.

I guess you could be right, but I don't see Bernie supporting that theory. If he is not chosen, I suspect he will effectively support whoever does get the nomination.

 

[rightwinger]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Learn to read. Hoyer said "prove his innocence", not provide his defense.

Moron.

What a stupid statement
If I agreed with you, we would both be wrong

 

[Nostra]

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

 

[BULLDOG]

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

 

[Nostra]

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

At least you admit Nazi and the gang were lying when they said this was about the Constitution, saving our "democracy", and national security.

It was all just a cheap political stunt.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

You don’t understand how trials work do you?

Both sides get to provide evidence on their behalf. Trump does not have to say anything but is provided an opportunity to provide his own evidence and defense

Maybe Trump will take the opportunity to provide evidence of Biden's Money Laundering Operation?

 

[BULLDOG]

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

At least you admit Nazi and the gang were lying when they said this was about the Constitution, saving our "democracy", and national security.

It was all just a cheap political stunt.

It is all those things, but with the Trump party able to unethically shield him from responsibility for his actions, "saving democracy and protecting national security" will have to take another form.

 

[Nostra]

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

At least you admit Nazi and the gang were lying when they said this was about the Constitution, saving our "democracy", and national security.

It was all just a cheap political stunt.

It is all those things, but with the Trump party able to unethically shield him from responsibility for his actions, "saving democracy and protecting national security" will have to take another form.

You are a brainwashed rube.

 

[BULLDOG]

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

At least you admit Nazi and the gang were lying when they said this was about the Constitution, saving our "democracy", and national security.

It was all just a cheap political stunt.

It is all those things, but with the Trump party able to unethically shield him from responsibility for his actions, "saving democracy and protecting national security" will have to take another form.

You are a brainwashed rube.

I hope you are not shocked to find I really don't care what your opinion might be.

 

[Nostra]

I'm not risking anything. Trump will not be removed from office, and the vote won't even be close.

The Dimwingers have a very weak case. It's all based on hearsay and feelings.

You seem to think this is only about removing him from office now. Nobody ever expected the Trump party controlled Senate would vote to remove him, even from the beginning. It will be a huge problem for him when it comes to independents who aren't really informed about what has happened so far, and it might make a difference in the charges he is immune to now, but will have to face after his term ends.

At least you admit Nazi and the gang were lying when they said this was about the Constitution, saving our "democracy", and national security.

It was all just a cheap political stunt.

It is all those things, but with the Trump party able to unethically shield him from responsibility for his actions, "saving democracy and protecting national security" will have to take another form.

You are a brainwashed rube.

I hope you are not shocked to find I really don't care what your opinion might be.

Not an opinion, a fact.

 

[Maxdeath]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

True. Republicans voted as a block, just like they are expected to do in the senate. Whether he abused his power doesn't matter to the Trump party. All that counts from that side of the isle is that they have the power to shield Trump from being removed from office by impeachment. They probably won't be able to prevent the rest of the country from hearing evidence of his abuse of power. Trump's supporters are unwavering, but there just aren't enough of them to match the tsunami that he will face in the coming election, and the more his misbehavior is made known, the higher those waves will be. The Senate trial isn't about removing him from office at this point. It's about making sure the country is fully aware of his behavior before the election in November.

No you actually have most of that wrong but then again that's nothing new. Democrats mostly voted as a block in the impeachment. They could not even get one bipartisan vote. In fact they could not get even their whole party to vote together. One of their own even left the party.
It was never about what he did. It has always been about the fact he had the temerity to win an election the democrats were sure that they had cheated enough to have sown up.
If it had been about the way that he acted in office there would never have been congress people yelling for his impeachment before he had really done anything. They would have never stated that they needed to impeach him before he could get reelected.


Funny that you really think that those that watch or listen to all this are that blind. They have seen the we have him now moments. They have watched the Steele dossier come to nothing. They have watched Mueller come and go with him still in the White House. They have watched the Stormy Daniels saga end with her owing Trump. What most are seeing is that the Dems are out to get him anyway possible. They are seeing that he has gotten things done. There is money in their pockets, food on the table. The Dems have been so busy with get Trump that no one can point to anything else they have done for them.

What most also see is that the Dems are attempting not to actually remove Trump but are trying to make their bad candidates look better and more palatable.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

True. Republicans voted as a block, just like they are expected to do in the senate. Whether he abused his power doesn't matter to the Trump party. All that counts from that side of the isle is that they have the power to shield Trump from being removed from office by impeachment. They probably won't be able to prevent the rest of the country from hearing evidence of his abuse of power. Trump's supporters are unwavering, but there just aren't enough of them to match the tsunami that he will face in the coming election, and the more his misbehavior is made known, the higher those waves will be. The Senate trial isn't about removing him from office at this point. It's about making sure the country is fully aware of his behavior before the election in November.

No you actually have most of that wrong but then again that's nothing new. Democrats mostly voted as a block in the impeachment. They could not even get one bipartisan vote. In fact they could not get even their whole party to vote together. One of their own even left the party.
It was never about what he did. It has always been about the fact he had the temerity to win an election the democrats were sure that they had cheated enough to have sown up.
If it had been about the way that he acted in office there would never have been congress people yelling for his impeachment before he had really done anything. They would have never stated that they needed to impeach him before he could get reelected.


Funny that you really think that those that watch or listen to all this are that blind. They have seen the we have him now moments. They have watched the Steele dossier come to nothing. They have watched Mueller come and go with him still in the White House. They have watched the Stormy Daniels saga end with her owing Trump. What most are seeing is that the Dems are out to get him anyway possible. They are seeing that he has gotten things done. There is money in their pockets, food on the table. The Dems have been so busy with get Trump that no one can point to anything else they have done for them.

What most also see is that the Dems are attempting not to actually remove Trump but are trying to make their bad candidates look better and more palatable.

All that is interesting and all, and I even read some of your rant, but Trump is a pig, and you are stupid for supporting him.

 

[Maxdeath]

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

True. Republicans voted as a block, just like they are expected to do in the senate. Whether he abused his power doesn't matter to the Trump party. All that counts from that side of the isle is that they have the power to shield Trump from being removed from office by impeachment. They probably won't be able to prevent the rest of the country from hearing evidence of his abuse of power. Trump's supporters are unwavering, but there just aren't enough of them to match the tsunami that he will face in the coming election, and the more his misbehavior is made known, the higher those waves will be. The Senate trial isn't about removing him from office at this point. It's about making sure the country is fully aware of his behavior before the election in November.

No you actually have most of that wrong but then again that's nothing new. Democrats mostly voted as a block in the impeachment. They could not even get one bipartisan vote. In fact they could not get even their whole party to vote together. One of their own even left the party.
It was never about what he did. It has always been about the fact he had the temerity to win an election the democrats were sure that they had cheated enough to have sown up.
If it had been about the way that he acted in office there would never have been congress people yelling for his impeachment before he had really done anything. They would have never stated that they needed to impeach him before he could get reelected.


Funny that you really think that those that watch or listen to all this are that blind. They have seen the we have him now moments. They have watched the Steele dossier come to nothing. They have watched Mueller come and go with him still in the White House. They have watched the Stormy Daniels saga end with her owing Trump. What most are seeing is that the Dems are out to get him anyway possible. They are seeing that he has gotten things done. There is money in their pockets, food on the table. The Dems have been so busy with get Trump that no one can point to anything else they have done for them.

What most also see is that the Dems are attempting not to actually remove Trump but are trying to make their bad candidates look better and more palatable.

All that is interesting and all, and I even read some of your rant, but Trump is a pig, and you are stupid for supporting him.

Good for you, keep your preconceived notions going, nothing like a little partisan minion. I give you half a point for your ability to not only disprove things but to use the standard low IQ you and everyone is a poopiehead defense.
Keep up the good work.

 

[Nostra]

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

True. Republicans voted as a block, just like they are expected to do in the senate. Whether he abused his power doesn't matter to the Trump party. All that counts from that side of the isle is that they have the power to shield Trump from being removed from office by impeachment. They probably won't be able to prevent the rest of the country from hearing evidence of his abuse of power. Trump's supporters are unwavering, but there just aren't enough of them to match the tsunami that he will face in the coming election, and the more his misbehavior is made known, the higher those waves will be. The Senate trial isn't about removing him from office at this point. It's about making sure the country is fully aware of his behavior before the election in November.

No you actually have most of that wrong but then again that's nothing new. Democrats mostly voted as a block in the impeachment. They could not even get one bipartisan vote. In fact they could not get even their whole party to vote together. One of their own even left the party.
It was never about what he did. It has always been about the fact he had the temerity to win an election the democrats were sure that they had cheated enough to have sown up.
If it had been about the way that he acted in office there would never have been congress people yelling for his impeachment before he had really done anything. They would have never stated that they needed to impeach him before he could get reelected.


Funny that you really think that those that watch or listen to all this are that blind. They have seen the we have him now moments. They have watched the Steele dossier come to nothing. They have watched Mueller come and go with him still in the White House. They have watched the Stormy Daniels saga end with her owing Trump. What most are seeing is that the Dems are out to get him anyway possible. They are seeing that he has gotten things done. There is money in their pockets, food on the table. The Dems have been so busy with get Trump that no one can point to anything else they have done for them.

What most also see is that the Dems are attempting not to actually remove Trump but are trying to make their bad candidates look better and more palatable.

All that is interesting and all, and I even read some of your rant, but Trump is a pig, and you are stupid for supporting him.

Good for you, keep your preconceived notions going, nothing like a little partisan minion. I give you half a point for your ability to not only disprove things but to use the standard low IQ you and everyone is a poopiehead defense.
Keep up the good work.

I thought it was one of the more thought provoking posts by PUddinhead.