Dimwinger Steny Hoyer ignorant of the Constitution...Trump should prove his innocence.

[Nostra]

Trump extorts a foreign nation for domestic political gain for which there is ample evidence and the OP is having a hissy fit over Stoney Hoyer’s comment. Talk about cognitive dissonance. Get a grip.

The transcript proves you wrong.

The President of the Ukraine proves you wrong.

Fuckwit Hoyer is wrong. Innocent until proven guilty in America. Get a clue.

 

[eagle1462010]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

 

[BULLDOG]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

The court doesn't.

Oops!

It just reached the court. Nothing has been done yet but swearing in of the judge and jury. All that other was just pre-court preparation.

 

[Nostra]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

The court doesn't.

Oops!

It just reached the court. Nothing has been done yet but swearing in of the judge and jury. All that other was just pre-court preparation.

No shit. WTF does that have to do with how clueless Hoyer is?

 

[BULLDOG]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

 

[Nostra]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Lies.


Bribery isn't in the articles of impeachment.

Obstruction of Congress isn't a crime.

Oops!

 

[eagle1462010]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

 

[BULLDOG]

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

 

[Nostra]

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[BULLDOG]

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

Technicality?

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

No reason to believe your theory, (which is a better word to use in this case, I should have used it instead) will be his "get out of jail free" card anyway, but you seem to be risking everything on it.

 

[Maxdeath]

Just amazing how few people actually understand the real world.
They seem to have never heard the words innocent until proven guilty.
It is an idea that has been used at diffrent points around the world but actually became normalized in American law in 1884.

It goes along with the idea that one is presumed innocent until proven guilty.

It is considered a travesty of justice too assume that someone is guilty before a trial. That is why jury selection takes time in our country is that lawyers and the law do not want those that have already decided the guilt or innocence before the trial begins.

Nobody said he was guilty

Just that he would be able to provide his defense.

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

So you are saying that the whole house considered him guilty?
Funny the vote on the articles did not show that.

 

[BluesLegend]

The outcome of the trial will show that Pelosi and House leaders should be arrested and ultimately fitted for prison jumpsuits.

 

[LeftofLeft]

You don’t understand how trials work do you?

Both sides get to provide evidence on their behalf. Trump does not have to say anything but is provided an opportunity to provide his own evidence and defense

I understand how trials work and am still trying to understand how Democrats didn’t allow for witnesses in the house and are complaining that witnesses in a Senate trial would be “unfair”.

 

[Maxdeath]

Read it again. If you have to prove innocence then you are presumed guilty.

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

 

[BluesLegend]

You don’t understand how trials work do you?

Both sides get to provide evidence on their behalf. Trump does not have to say anything but is provided an opportunity to provide his own evidence and defense

I understand how trials work and am still trying to understand how Democrats didn’t allow for witnesses in the house and are complaining that witnesses in a Senate trial would be “unfair”.

Because they control 90% of the media and can fabricate whatever propaganda they want. 100% hypocrisy and double standards doesn't phase them. Notice how they are pretending to be victims now.

 

[eagle1462010]

Yes, prosecutors preparing a case for trial generally assume guilt. Is this confusing for you?

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

 

[BluesLegend]

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

Dem primaries are rigged months before they begin.

 

[eagle1462010]

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

Dem primaries are rigged months before they begin.

If they wanted a fair primary ..........the Super Delegates would be gone..........but the Super Delegates would stop giving them political money..............poor things.......because the Super Delegates BUY THOSE VOTES..........and do so again..........They want someone like Biden who will do their bidding...........and nothing more..............which is why Bernie is toast from the Start.........Now the Fake Indian will do their bidding as well............but not as much as Biden I think.

 

[Maxdeath]

Name the Statutes............of crimes committed.

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

I agree with you that Biden was chosen almost as soon as he announced.
But my main point was that once Bernies fan base realize that Bernie never had a chance once again because of the mechanizations of the Dems they may turn against the party that they see as screwing them twice.

 

[eagle1462010]

Obstruction and bribery.

Your side ditched Bribery because you had no evidence to prove it............Period......which is exactly why your side chose Abuse of Power.......a GENERIC charge of NO SUBSTANCE for the Impeachment.

Obstruction is a dead horse...........Congress has no right to Supercede Executive Powers.............The proper avenue for that is the Judiciary.........NOT IMPEACHMENT.

Obstruction is DOA.

You seem thrilled to find some technicality to hide behind, when it is obvious that he abused his position for personal gain. The larger part of the voters won't excuse his behavior because of some technicality. He lost the popular vote by more than 3 million last time. I wonder how much it will be this time. I'm sure it will be enough to remove any electoral college concerns.

The largest part of the public has grown very tired of the constant bad behavior of the democrats. They mistakenly thought that they would do something beside play get Trump.
It is looking like Bernie is being held in the senate because Pelosi wants Biden as the contender against Trump. What do you think will happen once they realize that Bernie has again been screwed over by the democrats? Would not surprise me if they voted against them just for spite.
People that ask questions of people at rallies say that more then half those at Trumps rally's are not Republican.
After all the gamesmanship by the democrats Republicans are more energized then ever so even those that may have stayed home or voted democrat aren't going to this time.

The Super Delegates will vote for Biden just as the last one................He is the establishment and he is their choice.............the rest is just noise..............Same as with Hillary........the Outcome is already rigged via the Super Delegates from the start.

Kinda like the Indy 500 race where the leader is given a 100 mile lead from the start.........and it will happen again.

I agree with you that Biden was chosen almost as soon as he announced.
But my main point was that once Bernies fan base realize that Bernie never had a chance once again because of the mechanizations of the Dems they may turn against the party that they see as screwing them twice.

In the pres election they will vote for whomever is there............but not so happy about it.........but with Biden some may say to hell with it and stay home............which would be very good for us.