Did you Support War in Iraq??

[NotfooledbyW]

Was Obama prosecuted for his assassination of Gaddafi?

Obama didn’t assassinate Gaddafi. And much to your displeasure or ignorance Obama took military action within a broad coalition to enforce a UNSC resolution to protect 500,000 civilians about to be slaughtered by under Gadaffi command

Following the failure of the Libyan Government to heed the warnings issued on 26 February under UNSCR 1970, on 17 March the UN Security Council ultimately passed UNSCR 1973 authorising member states to ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect Libyan civilians. This included the declaration of a no-fly zone over Libya, but specifically excluded a UN-mandated occupying ground force.​

What were you saying about Iraq you should be very impressed with President Obama and what he did with regards to Libya.

Libya and the United Nations Security Council Resolution UNSCR 1973 – Parliament of Australia

Libya and the United Nations Security Council Resolution UNSCR 1973

www.aph.gov.au

 

[struth]

Was Obama prosecuted for his assassination of Gaddafi?

Obama didn’t assassinate Gaddafi. And much to your displeasure or ignorance Obama took military action within a broad coalition to enforce a UNSC resolution to protect 500,000 civilians about to be slaughtered by under Gadaffi command

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Following the failure of the Libyan Government to heed the warnings issued on 26 February under UNSCR 1970, on 17 March the UN Security Council ultimately passed UNSCR 1973 authorising member states to ‘take all necessary measures’ to protect Libyan civilians. This included the declaration of a no-fly zone over Libya, but specifically excluded a UN-mandated occupying ground force.​

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What were you saying about Iraq you should be very impressed with President Obama and what he did with regards to Libya.​

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Libya and the United Nations Security Council Resolution UNSCR 1973 – Parliament of Australia

Libya and the United Nations Security Council Resolution UNSCR 1973

www.aph.gov.au

Sure he did...his admin even bragged about it:

Libya posed no threat, they weren't making WMDs nor had they used them. I was happy he was dead...and really take no issue with taking him out....but the bigger problem was the fact the Obama admin had really no plan to handle the Arab Spring...and now Libya is home to one of the biggest slave trades in the world

Bush left Obama with a free and stable Iraq...Obama and Xiden left Trump with the largest refugee crisis since WW2.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

ou are wrong about the facts. Saddam was in violation of the UN Resolutions...numerous of them.

Where is your verification, You freakin liar?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Libya posed no threat

It was authorized by the United Nations Security Council you dumb ass. Qaddafi was a threat to half million people in Benghazi you dumb ass

Saddam Hussein did not have any WMD in March 2003 either you dumb ass

 

[struth]

ou are wrong about the facts. Saddam was in violation of the UN Resolutions...numerous of them.

Where is your verification, You freakin liar?

Saddam Hussein's Defiance of United Nations Resolutions

georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov

Saddam Hussein has repeatedly violated each of the following resolutions:

UNSCR 678 - November 29, 1990

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• Iraq must comply fully with UNSCR 660 (regarding Iraq's illegal invasion of Kuwait) "and all subsequent relevant resolutions."
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• Authorizes UN Member States "to use all necessary means to uphold and implement resolution 660 and all subsequent relevant resolutions and to restore international peace and security in the area."

UNSCR 686 - March 2, 1991

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• Iraq must release prisoners detained during the Gulf War.
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• Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.
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• Iraq must accept liability under international law for damages from its illegal invasion of Kuwait.

UNSCR 687 - April 3, 1991

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• Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "chemical and biological weapons and all stocks of agents and all related subsystems and components and all research, development, support and manufacturing facilities."
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• Iraq must "unconditionally agree not to acquire or develop nuclear weapons or nuclear-weapons-usable material" or any research, development or manufacturing facilities.
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• Iraq must "unconditionally accept" the destruction, removal or rendering harmless "under international supervision" of all "ballistic missiles with a range greater than 150 KM and related major parts and repair and production facilities."
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• Iraq must not "use, develop, construct or acquire" any weapons of mass destruction.
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• Iraq must reaffirm its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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• Creates the United Nations Special Commission (UNSCOM) to verify the elimination of Iraq's chemical and biological weapons programs and mandated that the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) verify elimination of Iraq's nuclear weapons program.
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• Iraq must declare fully its weapons of mass destruction programs.
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• Iraq must not commit or support terrorism, or allow terrorist organizations to operate in Iraq.
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• Iraq must cooperate in accounting for the missing and dead Kuwaitis and others.
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• Iraq must return Kuwaiti property seized during the Gulf War.

UNSCR 688 - April 5, 1991

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• "Condemns" repression of Iraqi civilian population, "the consequences of which threaten international peace and security."
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• Iraq must immediately end repression of its civilian population.
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• Iraq must allow immediate access to international humanitarian organizations to those in need of assistance.

UNSCR 707 - August 15, 1991

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• "Condemns" Iraq's "serious violation" of UNSCR 687.
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• "Further condemns" Iraq's noncompliance with IAEA and its obligations under the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty.
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• Iraq must halt nuclear activities of all kinds until the Security Council deems Iraq in full compliance.
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• Iraq must make a full, final and complete disclosure of all aspects of its weapons of mass destruction and missile programs.
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• Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
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• Iraq must cease attempts to conceal or move weapons of mass destruction, and related materials and facilities.
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• Iraq must allow UN and IAEA inspectors to conduct inspection flights throughout Iraq.
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• Iraq must provide transportation, medical and logistical support for UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 715 - October 11, 1991

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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 949 - October 15, 1994

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• "Condemns" Iraq's recent military deployments toward Kuwait.
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• Iraq must not utilize its military or other forces in a hostile manner to threaten its neighbors or UN operations in Iraq.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors.
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• Iraq must not enhance its military capability in southern Iraq.

UNSCR 1051 - March 27, 1996

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• Iraq must report shipments of dual-use items related to weapons of mass destruction to the UN and IAEA.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1060 - June 12, 1996

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• "Deplores" Iraq's refusal to allow access to UN inspectors and Iraq's "clear violations" of previous UN resolutions.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1115 - June 21, 1997

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• "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "clear and flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
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• Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

UNSCR 1134 - October 23, 1997

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• "Condemns repeated refusal of Iraqi authorities to allow access" to UN inspectors, which constitutes a "flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687, 707, 715, and 1060.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.
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• Iraq must give immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access to Iraqi officials whom UN inspectors want to interview.

UNSCR 1137 - November 12, 1997

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• "Condemns the continued violations by Iraq" of previous UN resolutions, including its "implicit threat to the safety of" aircraft operated by UN inspectors and its tampering with UN inspector monitoring equipment.
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• Reaffirms Iraq's responsibility to ensure the safety of UN inspectors.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1154 - March 2, 1998

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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access, and notes that any violation would have the "severest consequences for Iraq."

UNSCR 1194 - September 9, 1998

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• "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 5 August 1998 to suspend cooperation with" UN and IAEA inspectors, which constitutes "a totally unacceptable contravention" of its obligations under UNSCR 687, 707, 715, 1060, 1115, and 1154.
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• Iraq must cooperate fully with UN and IAEA weapons inspectors, and allow immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access.

UNSCR 1205 - November 5, 1998

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• "Condemns the decision by Iraq of 31 October 1998 to cease cooperation" with UN inspectors as "a flagrant violation" of UNSCR 687 and other resolutions.
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• Iraq must provide "immediate, complete and unconditional cooperation" with UN and IAEA inspectors.

UNSCR 1284 - December 17, 1999

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• Created the United Nations Monitoring, Verification and Inspections Commission (UNMOVIC) to replace previous weapon inspection team (UNSCOM).
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• Iraq must allow UNMOVIC "immediate, unconditional and unrestricted access" to Iraqi officials and facilities.
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• Iraq must fulfill its commitment to return Gulf War prisoners.
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• Calls on Iraq to distribute humanitarian goods and medical supplies to its people and address the needs of vulnerable Iraqis without discrimination.

Additional UN Security Council Statements



In addition to the legally binding UNSCRs, the UN Security Council has also issued at least 30 statements from the President of the UN Security Council regarding Saddam Hussein's continued violations of UNSCRs. The list of statements includes:​

• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1991
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 5, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 19, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, February 28, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 6, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 11, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 12, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, April 10, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 17, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, July 6, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, September 2, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 24, 1992
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 8, 1993
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 11, 1993
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 18, 1993
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 28, 1993
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 23, 1993
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 8, 1994
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, March 19, 1996
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 14, 1996
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, August 23, 1996
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 30, 1996
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, June 13, 1997
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, October 29, 1997
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, November 13, 1997
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 3, 1997
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, December 22, 1997
• UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998

 

[struth]

Libya posed no threat

It was authorized by the United Nations Security Council you dumb ass. Qaddafi was a threat to have 1 million people in Benghazi you dumb ass

I thought you said it was a War Crime to assassinate a world leader? the UN said it was ok to assassinte Qaddafi?

Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act. We are a soveign nation

 

[NotfooledbyW]

the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam..

No they didn’t you are a liar. Show me where the authorization to use force said that

 

[struth]

the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam..

No they didn’t you are a liar. Show me where the authorization to use force said that

Geez man....I have discussed this already with you, and provided the name of the Act...Xiden voted for this too...and Clinton signed it

Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

and who can forget what Clinton said when signing it:

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President Clinton stated in February 1998:

Iraq admitted, among other things, an offensive biological warfare capability, notably, 5,000 gallons of botulinum, which causes botulism; 2,000 gallons of anthrax; 25 biological-filled Scud warheads; and 157 aerial bombs. And I might say UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq has actually greatly understated its production. ...
Over the past few months, as [the weapons inspectors] have come closer and closer to rooting out Iraq's remaining nuclear capacity, Saddam has undertaken yet another gambit to thwart their ambitions by imposing debilitating conditions on the inspectors and declaring key sites which have still not been inspected off limits. ...
It is obvious that there is an attempt here, based on the whole history of this operation since 1991, to protect whatever remains of his capacity to produce weapons of mass destruction, the missiles to deliver them, and the feed stocks necessary to produce them. The UNSCOM inspectors believe that Iraq still has stockpiles of chemical and biological munitions, a small force of Scud-type missiles, and the capacity to restart quickly its production program and build many, many more weapons. ...
Now, let's imagine the future. What if he fails to comply and we fail to act, or we take some ambiguous third route, which gives him yet more opportunities to develop this program of weapons of mass destruction and continue to press for the release of the sanctions and continue to ignore the solemn commitments that he made? Well, he will conclude that the international community has lost its will. He will then conclude that he can go right on and do more to rebuild an arsenal of devastating destruction. And some day, some way, I guarantee you he'll use the arsenal. ...
— President Clinton ~ 1998

 

[NotfooledbyW]

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998

You lying dumb ass. Where is the violation of 1441.

unfavorable...hence why the UN said he violated the Resolution 1441

That’s what you said. 1441.
Didn’t you?

 

[NotfooledbyW]

.I have discussed this already with you,

You are a liar. Show me the specific language where Congress authorized Bush to remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq the sake of removing Saddam Hussein from the Iraq.

 

[struth]

UN Security Council Presidential Statement, January 14, 1998

You lying dumb ass. Where is the violation of 1441.

unfavorable...hence why the UN said he violated the Resolution 1441

That’s what you said. 1441.
Didn’t you?

I already addressed this:

Saddam wasn't complying...hence why the UN said he was in violation of Resolution 1441

You are a liar.. The UNSC never said Saddam was in violation of 1441. you cannot base your argunent on a flat out lie.

I am sorry...1441 stated that Iraq was in violation of Resolution 687. Then Brix reported that Iraq was in breach of 1441. The only question at that point was what to do with fact Brix stated Iraq wasn't complying

 

[NotfooledbyW]

.and Clinton signed it

Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That did not authorize ground forces you lying dumb ass

 

[struth]

.I have discussed this already with you,

You are a liar. Show me the specific language where Congress authorized Bush to remove Saddam Hussein from Iraq the sake of removing Saddam Hussein from the Iraq.

I literally just provided you with the law....I am not sure how much more clear the langange from Congress be. The policy of the United States after Xiden and Company passed it was regime change.

I am not a liar because you can't read

 

[struth]

.and Clinton signed it

Iraq Liberation Act - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

That did not authorize ground forces you lying dumb ass

I didn't say it did. I can't tell at this point if your trolling or really not able to read or understand what you are reading.

 

[there4eyeM]

Essentially, all favoring comes down to this:
Bush did it because he could and it is OK because the U.S. did it.
All those against realize it was against international law, against the spirit of America's origins, and catastrophic to America's interests.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

I thought you said it was a War Crime to assassinate a world leader? the UN said it was ok to assassinte Qaddafi?

Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act. We are a soveign nation

I literally just provided you with the law....I am not sure how much more clear the langange from Congress be. The policy of the United States after Xiden and Company passed it was regime chang

You argued using the lie “the UN said it was ok to assassinte Qaddafi?”

Then you added to that lie “Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act”

I thought you meant Bush’s regime change by ground invasion in March 2003, because the US Congress has never authorized regime change by assassinating a leader or sending in ground forces fir regime change sake.

Since you’ve admitted that The Iraq liberation act was not regime change by sending in ground forces Now that I understand exactly how stupid you are you need to show me where the Iraq liberation act says it was OK to assasinate Saddam Hussein.

If it’s in there cut and paste the exact language.

If you cant you are a liar.

 

[NotfooledbyW]

Essentially, all favoring comes down to this:
Bush did it because he could and it is OK because the U.S. did it.
All those against realize it was against international law, against the spirit of America's origins, and catastrophic to America's interests.

IN YOUR OPINION do you THINK struth IS “ok with it” or against the most disastrous US Presidential decision in history to ‘unilaterally launch a preemptive invasion of Iraq on March 17 2003?

here are some recent Quotes.

Yes....we took out Saddam and left the next admin a free and stable Iraq. I am not sure how you can say that wasn't a success.

We were enforcing UN resolutions....the UN had already found they were in violation of 1441.

well that was only one of the numerous reasons to take out Saddam. I fully supported taking out Saddam, but I supported using special forces and more covert operations then a fully scale war.

They authorized him to use force "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate"

Of course nobody wanted to go, we wanted Saddam to comply....obviously.....duh

and Xiden was right, the hard part was rebuilding the nation and ensuring a democratic govt replaced Saddam. We were on track to that, a free and stable Iraq was handed to him and Obama...sadly they dropped the ball

i don’t disageee that he should have used black ops to take saddam out.

I think he and xiden were wrong to think ground troops was the only solution

again i wouldn’t of used ground forces, like he and xiden thought was needed

I disagree with Bush and Xiden and believe we had other alternatives then ground troops...such as black-ops to take out Saddam. But we did, we were successful in removing him, and successful in helping set up a democratic govt...

Bush wasn't or isn't a hero of mine.

Oh who's going to prosecute the USA for it?

fact that was one of the reason Xiden and Congress gave for Bush to have the go ahead in Iraq

I am sorry...1441 stated that Iraq was in violation of Resolution 687. Then Brix reported that Iraq was in breach of 1441. The only question at that point was what to do with fact Brix stated Iraq wasn't complying

I thought there were other options available to take out Saddam. Regardless, we did it, we successful got Saddam out,

Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act. We are a soveign nation

 

[struth]

I thought you said it was a War Crime to assassinate a world leader? the UN said it was ok to assassinte Qaddafi?

Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act. We are a soveign nation

I literally just provided you with the law....I am not sure how much more clear the langange from Congress be. The policy of the United States after Xiden and Company passed it was regime chang

You argued using the lie “the UN said it was ok to assassinte Qaddafi?”

Then you added to that lie “Anyway...the United States Congress said it was ok to remove Saddam...so that's all I need for my President to act”

I thought you meant Bush’s regime change by ground invasion in March 2003, because the US Congress has never authorized regime change by assassinating a leader or sending in ground forces fir regime change sake.

Since you’ve admitted that The Iraq liberation act was not regime change by sending in ground forces Now that I understand exactly how stupid you are you need to show me where the Iraq liberation act says it was OK to assasinate Saddam Hussein.

If it’s in there cut and paste the exact language.

If you cant you are a liar.

That was a question...not sure how a question can be a lie....

The US Congress did say it was ok to get rid of Saddam. I provided you with the Act they passed. Not sure how that's a lie...are you saying the Act itself is a lie? I don't follow

The US Govt authorized the use of Ground forces later....but they did authorize regime change in 1998. Both, or either or, were enough for Bush to use the CIA or Special Forces to take out Saddam...which I would have supported prior to using Ground Forces.

"Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government."

 

[NotfooledbyW]

"Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government."

Where does it say anything about by assassination or using ground forces.

 

[struth]

"Iraq Liberation Act of 1998 - Declares that it should be the policy of the United States to seek to remove the Saddam Hussein regime from power in Iraq and to replace it with a democratic government."

Where does it say anything about by assassination or using ground forces.

when did I say that it authorized him to use ground forces? Either way...it's broad...it says remove...doesn't given him direct on how...which leaves it up to whomever the President is.