Did this dummy who said:"I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” consider this when he "guaranteed" the following?

[citygator]

No we wont run out but people who cant afford it will see thier rates spike even more and if there are brown outs or black outs at the wrong time of the year in some regions, it can be deadly.

So you are worried about brown outs but not the rising annual temperatures, increased CO2 levels, and higher ocean levels? mmkay.

 

[SassyIrishLass]

So you are worried about brown outs but not the rising annual temperatures, increased CO2 levels, and higher ocean levels? mmkay.

Pretty much, brown outs are reality compared to made up crap like you're terrified of

 

[Bob Blaylock]

You might be partially right given todays power grid. Do you think there will never be any improvements to that grid?

We can hope that there will be.

Even without the added burden of electric vehicles, the grid is, in many parts of the country, proving inadequate to reliably meet the people's needs.

Forcing an increase in the use of EVs, while the grid is already so close to capacity, is just plain stupid. And that's without taking into account how immature the EV technology is at this point, such that for the majority of motorists, they are just not yet ready to be a viable alternative to real cars.

Instead of forcing EVs into a market that doesn't want them, government should be putting that effort into seeing that the power grid infrastructure is improved.

When EV technology is really ready to be a viable alternative to real cars, and when the infrastructure is able to support them, people will not need gratuitous government coercion to buy EVs. People will buy EVs, of their own, free, uncoerced will, when EVs are at least as practical for their needs as real cars are.

 

[Jarlaxle]

Who is "forcing" this on us.? They are supplying regs and guidelines, much like they did with energy efficiency guidelines. And the market will follow. I don't see any mandates to take gas guzzling tanks off the road imminently. Most things evolve because of efficiencies in manufacturing and technology that make them cheaper to buy. Demand for them increases and supply follows. Rinse and repeat.

I get you need a political wedge...but this really isn't one.

You cannot be this stupid. It's physically impossible.

 

[Edgetho]

Outside of both Republicans and Democrats making policies that sent manufacturing for our cheap goods to the likes of China and Mexico, what does the rest of your spew have to do with the subject at hand.

Clean up your posting language. Or get off your Mom's computer.

Unions, the cheap whores of the dimocrap scum party, sent Manufacturing overseas.

I went through it. I was there. I witnessed it and I was part of it. Unions and dimocrap scum, 100%.

I was at Republic Steel when Jimmy (the idiot) Carter's people came through and forced us to hire hundreds of unqualified Blacks to meet some fucking quota devised by the goobermint. They said that because Cleveland was 70% Black that we had to hire X number of people that were Black in order to meet some formula. And it had to be done in 6 Months.

Same time, Carter's people came through and gave us pollution standards that we had to meet in about the same time period, which was totally impossible.

When I was patrolling (I was security [hated it but it was the only job available]) the Executive Offices after-hours, I hear a noise in the Executive VP's Office (he ran that whole show) so I looked and I saw the VP with his head in his arms on the desk. He looked distressed. So I reach for my weapon and asked, gently, "Are you okay, sir?" Scared the shit out of him. But I could tell he was either in tears or had just got done with an episode.

So he proceeds to tell me about a meeting he had just finished with the Steel Workers Union. He told them that we had to modernize, we didn't have a choice, that there was a lot of pressure and that he promised, put it in wiritng that there would be no lay-offs. The Union told him, "We will shut you down."

3 Months later I moved to Florida, the Steel Industry is gone and along with it, 300,000 (three Hundred Thousand) jobs.

So don't include Republicans in your complaint about industry. You don't know what you're talking about.

I grew up in the Hippie generation. Woodstock, Jesus Christ Superstar, Hair, Peace, Love. I was one for a few years.

Then I saw the Marxists, the scum of the Earth, the MURDERING FILTH that is leftism move in and take over the movement.

We went from 'Godspell' to all hate all the time. THAT is your people. That is what your party represents.

And I want nothing to do with it. It is pure, unadulterated evil

 

[Yarddog]

So you are worried about brown outs but not the rising annual temperatures, increased CO2 levels, and higher ocean levels? mmkay.

DO you really think driving EVs is going to effect any of those things in the next 50 or hundred years? It wont.

But meanwhile if people in Wisconsin or Texas or some other state freeze to death some winter because of an electrical grid failure, that might be something to worry about. The government really doesnt wanting us using natural gas anymore to heat our homes as well, so you know, lets put it all on the grid.

 

[citygator]

Pretty much, brown outs are reality compared to made up crap like you're terrified of

Im not afraid of fake brownouts. They aren’t occurring right now.

 

[Bob Blaylock]

So you are worried about brown outs but not the rising annual temperatures, increased CO2 levels, and higher ocean levels? mmkay.

Why shouldn't one be more afraid of a genuine, proven threat, than of an absurd left wrong-wing fearmongering fantasy?

 

[Yarddog]

Who is "forcing" this on us.? They are supplying regs and guidelines, much like they did with energy efficiency guidelines. And the market will follow. I don't see any mandates to take gas guzzling tanks off the road imminently. Most things evolve because of efficiencies in manufacturing and technology that make them cheaper to buy. Demand for them increases and supply follows. Rinse and repeat.

I get you need a political wedge...but this really isn't one.

Regulations by non elected officials is the way the Government does end runs around the need to get legislation passed. Everyone knows this.

 

[JackOfNoTrades]

DO you really think driving EVs is going to effect any of those things in the next 50 or hundred years? It wont.

But meanwhile if people in Wisconsin or Texas or some other state freeze to death some winter because of an electrical grid failure, that might be something to worry about. The government really doesnt wanting us using natural gas anymore to heat our homes as well, so you know, lets put it all on the grid.

LOL. The people in most of Texas have already experienced this...and it has nothing to do with EV's.

 

[citygator]

DO you really think driving EVs is going to effect any of those things in the next 50 or hundred years? It wont.

But meanwhile if people in Wisconsin or Texas or some other state freeze to death some winter because of an electrical grid failure, that might be something to worry about. The government really doesnt wanting us using natural gas anymore to heat our homes as well, so you know, lets put it all on the grid.

Brown outs are not a problem why worry about them?

 

[SassyIrishLass]

You cannot be this stupid. It's physically impossible.

Actually.... no

 

[Yarddog]

LOL. The people in most of Texas have already experienced this...and it has nothing to do with EV's.

Exactly. It has already happened without 50% or even 20% EVS being driven. How much worse would it be?
The point you are trying to make simply proves the power grid isnt ready for rushed production of EV's and even eliminatiing use of natural gas appliances at the same time.
It needs to happen in a gradual way, with the power grid adjusting as the use of more electricity slowly rises.

 

[22lcidw]

You might be partially right given todays power grid. Do you think there will never be any improvements to that grid?

We had many opportunities. We could have even hardened the grid from an EMP. We wasted trillions and trillions and trillions of dollars over the years and last few decades. And when the time everything is electric, we will purchase it all from China. That is if we are still a strong nation. The money wasted on the Electric legislation and the Inflation Act and the other legislation with these cretins tells us that very few of them know what the reality of survival is. New cleaner refineries and new more advanced nuclear power plants are needed to start. The Coal industry that is the lifeblood of any area needs to be promoted and used with the cleanest scrubbers on any power plant that uses it. With the money we wasted the infrastructure of this nation would be newer, renovated, increased, streamlined and much more efficient. Instead, we suffer more than we have to because of corrupted people in power.

 

[Yarddog]

Brown outs are not a problem why worry about them?

Well ok, obviously power black outs are the real inconvenience and fear for vulnerable people who live in areas with extreme cold or heat. My mistake.. my bad.. I was wrong... about brown outs being a problem.

I'l wait now for you to likewise correct your errors in this thread.

 

[progressive hunter]

And over time with energy evolution and the cost of the technologies required to make it more efficient, we WILL get rid of fossil fuels. BTW, you do know there is no such thing as "clean coal"...right?

This is how things in a capitalist/socialist economy evolve. Things get more efficient and cheaper. Then, wider adoption...and so on and so forth.

why do you lie with such ease??

MIT School of Engineering | » What is “clean” coal?

engineering.mit.edu

 

[Bob Blaylock]

Im [sic] not afraid of fake brownouts. They aren’t occurring right now.

They have occurred, and will occur again, especially if government is allowed to go forward with pushing out of real cars and into EVs that the current infrastructure just cannot handle on top if it's extant loads.

You've stupidly let government distract you away from genuine threats to your well-being, with absurd hoaxes about “global warming”[/] and an overhyped common cold.

 

[Edgetho]

 

[Edgetho]

why do you lie with such ease??

MIT School of Engineering | » What is “clean” coal?

engineering.mit.edu

Why do Ducks quack?

 

[DigitalDrifter]

Why the electric vehicle boom could put a major strain on the U.S. power grid​

Over half of all new cars sold in the U.S. by 2030 are expected to be electric vehicles. That could put a major strain on our nation’s electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels.

Domestic electricity demand in 2022 is expected to increase up to 18% by 2030 and 38% by 2035, according to an analysis by the Rapid Energy Policy Evaluation and Analysis Toolkit, or (REPEAT), an energy policy project out of Princeton University.
That’s a big change over the roughly 5% increase we saw in the past decade.

Why the electric vehicle boom could put a major strain on the U.S. power grid

The EV revolution could put a big strain on the nation's electric grid, an aging system built for a world that runs on fossil fuels.

www.cnbc.com

So Biden guarantees..."I guarantee We Are Going To Get Rid of Fossil Fuels” September 06, 2019, 5:49 PM


So when he does that, with 79% of electricity from fossil fuels, i.e. petroleum 36%, natural gas 33% and coal 10%, that would mean instead of 4.24 Trillion kWh produced. U.S. energy facts explained - consumption and production - U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA)
There would only be 890.4 billion kWh available from renewables, nuclear, hydroelectric.
So if 50% EVs need 1.309 Trillion kWh more per year PLUS 3.349 Trillion kWh eliminated by Biden's guarantee..
There will be daily blackouts in many parts of the USA.

And right on cue the moment fossil Biden entered the White House, pump prices began a massive price increase.
Coincidence? I sure the hell don't believe so. I think oil producers more than ever could see their future was NOT bright, and began to maximize their profits during the time they have left to operate.