Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

[The Original Tree]

 

[The Original Tree]

 

[The Original Tree]

 

[LittleNipper]

Yahweh.

Satan and the Liberal Party...

 

[GreatestIam]

Go away idiots.

Regards
DL

 

[ding]

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Imma create a bull ring thread on this.

 

[surada]

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan.

Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust.

Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden.

It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh.

Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her?

That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin.

Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things.

Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn?

Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge?

Why and how does knowledge kill us?

If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were?

The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan.

This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it.

The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view.

In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam.

Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

One myth goes that after the Fall God separated Adam and Eve for 130 years so Adam cohabited with Lilith and she gave birth to demons who brought sin into the world.

After 130 years, Adam and Eve were reunited and forgiven so they built an altar in Mecca to give thanks. Eventually Eve died and was buried in Jedda, the grandmother city.

 

[Penelope]

There is No Sin in God.

Sin entered the world through Free Will. God creates all sentient beings with Free Will.

The First sin was EGO, and committed by Satan,
Then Envy and Covetousness committed by Satan
Then Lies, Slander and Rebellion committed by Satan.

Satan was given a chance to repent, but chose to take 1/3rd of the angels with him that he was able to corrupt to establish a rival kingdom to The Kingdom of God.

What we see on Earth is that Rival Kingdom as he became The Lord of this Earth when he was able to Usurp The Crown of Adam, and Adam's Throne in The Garden of Eden. Man was meant to live forever if he did not sin, but since he did sin, The Wages of Sin are death and therefore Sin and Death, and Sickness, Hatred, Strife, War, Murder and all sin entered in to The World when man chose The Tree of The Knowledge of Good and Evil, vs being Obedient and being allowed to eat of The Tree of Life.

Then through Satan once called Lucifer, who was Once The Covering Cherub over The Throne of God, Adam and Eve were corrupted and Sin entered The World.

Fear Not, though for The 2nd Adam has won both The Crown of Adam and Deed of The Earth back during his crucifixion, death burial and resurrection, and further more, The Holy One of Israel, The Prince of Peace, Emmanuel, The Messiah, Jesus The Christ, took back The Keys of Hell and defeated Death during his descent to Hell and Resurrection.

Now, this transfer of power does not fully occur until Jesus Christ Opens the Great Scroll, that Title Deed to Earth, when he breaks The Seals on The Scroll in The Book of Revelations and releases the 21 Judgments contained with in it, and once the Last Judgment Falls, Jesus comes to Claim his Lordship and Property over The Earth.

He Returns to defeat The Armies of Earth and Judge The Anti-Christ, The False Prophet and their followers, and cast everyone in to Hell, He will take his Place on Adam's Throne as The Second Adam, rule for 1,000 years, and then Satan will be released on Probation, to see who will allow themselves to be deceived by Satan and Who still has Rebellion in their Genetic Spiritual Line, and then The Final Judgment, and then Eternity, & Worlds without End in a Restored Earth and Restored Universe that will be perfect in it's design an machinations.

god is sin.

 

[buttercup]

There’s a lot of evil people on this site. In addition to the misguided, indoctrinated fools who regurgitate what the tv tells them. Sigh. I’m really tired of this place and don’t know why I still post here.

 

[GreatestIam]

One myth goes that after the Fall God separated Adam and Eve for 130 years so Adam cohabited with Lilith and she gave birth to demons who brought sin into the world.

After 130 years, Adam and Eve were reunited and forgiven so they built an altar in Mecca to give thanks. Eventually Eve died and was buried in Jedda, the grandmother city.

Christianity expunged the stuff designed to make us think.

Lilith and equality of the sexes did not suit the early Roman church at all, while it was the call of the day in Jewry.

Regards
DL

 

[GreatestIam]

There’s a lot of evil people on this site. In addition to the misguided, indoctrinated fools who regurgitate what the tv tells them. Sigh. I’m really tired of this place and don’t know why I still post here.

Good people fight the evils of the god religions.

The ones who adore a genocidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religions.

Regards
DL

 

[surada]

Christianity expunged the stuff designed to make us think.

Lilith and equality of the sexes did not suit the early Roman church at all, while it was the call of the day in Jewry.

Regards
DL

My point is that there are many variations on these old myths and legends... You don't kill each other over religion.

 

[ding]

My point is that there are many variations on these old myths and legends... You don't kill each other over religion.

He would if he could. So would breezewood. Just substitute jews or blacks for christian and it shouldn't be that hard to see what they are actually promoting.

Hatred drips from their posts. It's a short distance from thought to deed.

 

[surada]

He would if he could. So would breezewood. Just substitute jews or blacks for christian and it shouldn't be that hard to see what they are actually promoting.

Hatred drips from their posts. It's a short distance from thought to deed.

Religion shouldn't make people crazy.. Its supposed to comfort us and make us better.

 

[ding]

Religion shouldn't make people crazy.. Its supposed to comfort us and make us better.

Other people's religion makes them crazy. Specifically, Christianity. Which shouldn't be surprising because Christianity is the dominant religion here.

I can say with 100% certainty that greatestiam and breezewood are card carrying socialists and attacking the dominant religion of the land is what socialists do and have done for a very long time such that it is a defining characteristic of socialism.

 

[buttercup]

Good people fight the evils of the god religions.

The ones who adore a genocidal god and his homophobic and misogynous religions.

Regards
DL

You have zero understanding of the bible and Christianity. And good choice of an avatar, it suits you perfectly. Like father like son.

 

[Clyde 154]

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan.

Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust.

Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden.

It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh.

Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her?

That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin.

Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things.

Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn?

Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge?

Why and how does knowledge kill us?

If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were?

The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan.

This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it.

The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view.

In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam.

Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

Sin entered the world through the free will choices of man...........sin is based upon the freewill choice of man to violate God's laws....Man/Adam/Eve decided to ignore or violate God's law concerning the tree of knowledge, "But of the tree of good and evil, you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die." -- Genesis 2:17. Why would man die once he acquired the knowledge between good and evil? Up until that time......man did not know sin, could not commit sin because he had no knowledge of choosing between good and evil, where there is no knowledge there can be no sin. Animals cannot sin...because they can't distinguish between good and evil.....Adam and Eve where totally innocent like children without the ability to know right from wrong.

If sin is not based upon freewill choices explain this passage of scripture, "Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was evil continually. And the Lord was SORRY that He had made man on earth, and He was grieved in His heart." -- Genesis 6:5-6.

How could God be sorry if He had predestined man to sin? God would know the choices of men before they make them....He could never be grieved in His heart if He knew man would choose evil over good most of the time.

 

[emilynghiem]

Did sin enter the world through Adam, Satan or Yahweh?

Most, as well as scriptures, say that it was through Adam, even though Christians sing that Adam’s sin was a happy fault and necessary to Yahweh’s plan.

Given the necessity, Adam, from that, may not be the culpable one and his punishment would be unjust.

Satan had already sinned in heaven before being cast into Eden.

It can be truthfully said that she was the first sinner on earth if we ignore Yahweh.

Further, would you say that Eve sinned, given that Satan or the talking serpent deceived her?

That deception would take lies, and that is a sin, and that sin also preceded Adam’s sin.

Many do not see what the serpent says as a lie, which complicates things.

Was the initial sin, regardless of who did it, a happy fault and necessary to god’s plan like Christians sing in their Exultet hymn?

Did Yahweh lie when he told Adam that he would die if he educated himself with the knowledge in the Tree of Knowledge?

Why and how does knowledge kill us?

If it does, should we keep our children as blind to it as Adam and Eve initially were?

The Eden myth can get quite complicated, especially when Christians call it a fall, then say it was necessary so as not to derail Yahweh’s plan.

This last being what the Jews wrote into their myth and which they say is not the Original Sin of the Christian interpretation, but more like the Original virtue that the Jews call it.

The opposite of what Christianity says, if you ignore their happy fault view.

In terms of first sin, I see Yahweh, since sin was necessary to him as the first sinner, followed by Satan, Yahweh’s loyal opposition and teacher of humankind, and then Adam.

Why Eve at the end of Genesis 3 has to then be second class to Adam, --- he shall rule over you, --- would seem like Yahweh punishing the wrong party.

Thoughts?

Regards
DL

The knowledge "kills us" when we have enough knowledge to want to fight to control or monopolize it
but are not mature enough to share knowledge so people can be equal in relations.

Satan was competing with God first in the spirit,
then this corrupted man's relationship with God.

Man had enough knowledge to know people have free will to choose
and to affect each other for generations to come.

But Man did not have mature, full control spiritually as which comes
with reconciling with God through Christ Jesus.

Only after we go through redemption and reconciliation with God's will,
then we can follow the spiritual process of making sure our
free choice/human will ALIGNS and follows God's ideal will
and isn't subverted to rebel or violate it.

 

[onefour1]

when Satan and his followers rebelled against God in the war in heaven, they were all cast down to the earth. So I would have to say that the first sinners on earth were Satan and his followers. Compare their sin to Adam and Eve's transgression. They came out in open rebellion against God himself whereas Eve was deceived by them to partake of the forbidden fruit. She then convinced Adam to partake. The atonement of Christ atones for original sin but the devil and his followers have no forgiveness in this world nor the world to come. Adam and Eve's transgression was forgivable, open rebellion in the very presence of God himself has no forgiveness.

 

[Turtlesoup]

Yahweh.

No...the america people lost the election and now the world is much less safe place...thousands are going to be murdered and raped because of BIDEN.