Did Secret Service FAIL Obama? {KING}

[Black_Man1]

There are many types of wars. So if ANYTHING would've happened to Obama on foreign soil (let alone him being killed), hell would break loose.


One way, or the other.


Trust me.

 

[Black_Man1]

I just remembered something.

Do you remember a couple of years ago when those "party crashers" got into a White House dinner function and ended up taking pics with POTUS?

ANOTHER breach in security.


WTF??!!

 

[The Rabbi]

And who's fault is this? Who is responsible? Who has been fired?
This the same theme we've seen in the Obamacare website debacle. When Sibelius was asked who was getting fired she answered she wasnt there to fire anyone. It is a total lack of accountability that pervades this administration.

 

[Katzndogz]

The Secret Service has turned themselves into a rolling drug and whore party on the taxpayer's dime. They might not have vetted those in proximity to obama, but you can bet they knew the name of every whore and coke dealer in the city. No one will dig around, if they did, this would turn out to be nothing different than what happened in Colombia.

 

[FA_Q2]

Wait.

A person is standing next to POTUS within an arm's distance from him for an hour and on stage with him who is a fraud and a con man that is skitso, violent, and has episodes of hallucinations....





and The Secret Service ALLOWED that to take place?



Are you serious??

We'll have to see how this plays out before we blame the Secret Service. All we know at this point is that the South African security failed terribly. Remember there were over 80 other visiting heads of state, so their protective services "allowed" it to happen, too.

No, only the US president travels with a vast though useless 'protective service'. Some foreigners find this funny, others a testimony to American arrogance. Everyone else relies on the local government-provided security And it was mostly head of Government - like Thorning Schmidt and Cameron, NOT heads of state.

They are not useless and if you think so then I have serious doubts that you understand anything at all about presidential security requirements or how the SS operates. Further, I could care less how other nations perceive this – the US is the most wealthy and powerful nation on the face of the planet. It is involved in essentially every single major government in the world. That makes its head of state the most prevalent target for pretty much anyone. That security is there for a reason.

 

[FA_Q2]

And who's fault is this? Who is responsible? Who has been fired?
This the same theme we've seen in the Obamacare website debacle. When Sibelius was asked who was getting fired she answered she wasnt there to fire anyone. It is a total lack of accountability that pervades this administration.

I doubt that there is anyone to fire. The failure is likely not an individual but a process. If something was changed that was not done in this manner before, then you might be able to go to the individual that ordered the change but if this process has been the standard then firing someone is pointless. You identify the failed process and change it.

 

[Katzndogz]

The process works just fine and has protected presidents for over 200 years. What's different today is the lack of interest. Whoever it was in charge of the vetting didn't care and was sloppy. The secret service guys don't care. Everyone is putting in time and collecting a paycheck. Pretty much the same everywhere.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Wait.

A person is standing next to POTUS within an arm's distance from him for an hour and on stage with him who is a fraud and a con man that is skitso, violent, and has episodes of hallucinations....





and The Secret Service ALLOWED that to take place?



Are you serious??

There job is to keep him alive, period. If he lives, they succeed, if he dies, they fail. Is he alive or dead?

Their job is to also keep him safe and ensure that he is not in any danger. They failed that test.

The TSA’s job is to prevent planes from being blown up as well but we don’t say that because the underwear bomber failed in his undertaking that the TSA did not fail in the screening process. Part of the job is to ensure that the plane is safe. The SS failed in the same manner here as well – they allowed a man that is apparently a schizophrenic to be close enough to attack the president. That should not have happened.

If that was there job they would stick him in a bunker under Cheyenne Mountain and never let him out.

 

[Sunshine]

Wait.

A person is standing next to POTUS within an arm's distance from him for an hour and on stage with him who is a fraud and a con man that is skitso, violent, and has episodes of hallucinations....





and The Secret Service ALLOWED that to take place?



Are you serious??

Did the SS fail Obama? I'd say 'no.' He's still alive isn't he!

 

[Quantum Windbag]

There are many types of wars. So if ANYTHING would've happened to Obama on foreign soil (let alone him being killed), hell would break loose.


One way, or the other.


Trust me.

If a black man in a country run by blacks had killed the black president you would blame whitey.

Why am I not surprised?

 

[Peterf]

We'll have to see how this plays out before we blame the Secret Service. All we know at this point is that the South African security failed terribly. Remember there were over 80 other visiting heads of state, so their protective services "allowed" it to happen, too.

No, only the US president travels with a vast though useless 'protective service'. Some foreigners find this funny, others a testimony to American arrogance. Everyone else relies on the local government-provided security And it was mostly head of Government - like Thorning Schmidt and Cameron, NOT heads of state.

They are not useless and if you think so then I have serious doubts that you understand anything at all about presidential security requirements or how the SS operates. Further, I could care less how other nations perceive this – the US is the most wealthy and powerful nation on the face of the planet. It is involved in essentially every single major government in the world. That makes its head of state the most prevalent target for pretty much anyone. That security is there for a reason.

You know, I think you actually believe this tripe. That you really do think that the US is 'involved in' the government of say Russia and China. Or, for that matter, in Britain or Sweden.

And no, the USA is not 'wealthy' it is a pauper, relying on loans from foreigners.

When Obama comes to the UK it is not the US SS which protects him. They have no local knowledge and no intelligence sources and are essentially useless. It is the British Security Service and police, who have unrivaled experience: firstly with the (largely US funded) IRA terrorists and now with Islamic terror.

I leave it to you to decide how effective the Secret Service is in the US. Abroad they are a joke.

 

[Peterf]

There are many types of wars. So if ANYTHING would've happened to Obama on foreign soil (let alone him being killed), hell would break loose.


One way, or the other.


Trust me.

I regret that on this subject I am unable to trust you. You seem to believe that not only SHOULD the US rule the world but that it actually DOES. I would have thought that very recent history - the collapse of US policy for Syria, the appeasement of Iran - would have taught you otherwise.

 

[Sunshine]

Even though the Secret service had to rely on a foreign country security teams for certain information they should have conducted their own "Due Diligence". I even do that when I travel to a foreign country. This obviously was a massive failing on the part of the Secret Service and any other intelligence gathering agency they may rely upon.

"In the hours before President Barack Obama arrived at a Johannesburg soccer stadium to honor Nelson Mandela, the White House staff was in the dark on critical details. here would the president and first lady Michelle Obama sit? When was Obama supposed to speak? Who else would be on stage during the speech?

The result was an array of confusion and security risks that typically would not be tolerated by the Secret Service in the United States. The situation showed just how the Secret Service often is at the mercy of foreign governments to make arrangements when the president is overseas.

There were metal detectors and X-ray machines at the stadium, but they were not used on the initial crowds streaming in for the ceremony, according to Associated Press reporters on scene.

Many people walked through with little or no screening. Inside the stadium there were few signs of the heavy security that routinely would accompany an event with Obama and other world leaders."

Confusion, Security Risks at Nelson Mandela Event - ABC News

I'm trying to figure out why a Socialist, predominantly black country would have anyone who wanted to harm Obama. He was probably safer there than in America. But that's just an assumption. I think if anyone had tried to kill any of the world leaders there the people in the stands would have tore him to pieces with their bare hands or the Cuban Secret Service would have taken him out back and shot him.

Not every country in Africa is like South Africa. I think a Somali could well want and even try to kill the president. Likely nothing prohibited Somalis from being there.

However I don't really stress over Obozo's security. He runs the show. If security is inadequate then he is the one who should step it up.

 

[Peterf]

The process works just fine and has protected presidents for over 200 years. What's different today is the lack of interest. Whoever it was in charge of the vetting didn't care and was sloppy. The secret service guys don't care. Everyone is putting in time and collecting a paycheck. Pretty much the same everywhere.

I assume 'works just fine' is heavily ironic in view of the number of US Presidents who have been shot.

You, like every other American here, take it for granted that the US can and should vet everyone in foreign, independent countries that a US President might meet.

When Queen Elisabeth gave a banquet for the Obamas at Windsor do you really believe that the US SS would have been able to 'vet' every one of the 300 guests? And a couple of hundred cooks and waiters? And the entire British royal family and their spouses?

Come off it.

 

[Sunshine]

The process works just fine and has protected presidents for over 200 years. What's different today is the lack of interest. Whoever it was in charge of the vetting didn't care and was sloppy. The secret service guys don't care. Everyone is putting in time and collecting a paycheck. Pretty much the same everywhere.

I assume 'works just fine' is heavily ironic in view of the number of US Presidents who have been shot.

You, like every other American here, take it for granted that the US can and should vet everyone in foreign, independent countries that a US President might meet.

When Queen Elisabeth gave a banquet for the Obamas at Windsor do you really believe that the US SS would have been able to 'vet' every one of the 300 guests? And a couple of hundred cooks and waiters? And the entire British royal family and their spouses?

Come off it.

When an incident occurs, policies get changed. No one is psychic. This is a dangerous world and no one in it is completely safe. That's just breaks. He didn't have to run for office. He doesn't have to go on the grand world tour. Just sayin'.

 

[Wyld Kard]

I care when a POTUS is placed in a compromising position.

America will go to war over certain things. Harming the POTUS on foreign soil would be one of those things.

I would like to avoid that.

Because war is draining our economy, and putting us further in debt.


So I don't like sloppy work that increases the chance of international incidents taking place, when all that was needed was due dilligence on the part of ppl paid well to do their jobs.

[MENTION=46307]Black_Man1[/MENTION]

I care when a POTUS is placed in a compromising position.

Really?

You want to bring up the issue about "a compromising position"?

What about the "compromising position" that Obama put our people in Benghazi, in an area that was unstable and dangerous, and four people died? Their blood is on his hands.

So who gives a fuck if some guy stands next to Obama and pretends to do sign language?
I DON'T!

 

[Wyld Kard]

If the Secret Service did fail and allowed a security breach, could it be that Obama's incompetance is rubbing off on them?

 

[FA_Q2]

There job is to keep him alive, period. If he lives, they succeed, if he dies, they fail. Is he alive or dead?

Their job is to also keep him safe and ensure that he is not in any danger. They failed that test.

The TSA’s job is to prevent planes from being blown up as well but we don’t say that because the underwear bomber failed in his undertaking that the TSA did not fail in the screening process. Part of the job is to ensure that the plane is safe. The SS failed in the same manner here as well – they allowed a man that is apparently a schizophrenic to be close enough to attack the president. That should not have happened.

If that was there job they would stick him in a bunker under Cheyenne Mountain and never let him out.

No doubt. The SS, however, does not rule the president. He decides what he is going to do and then the SS does the best that they can to protect him.

Come on QW – I know you are smarter than this.

 

[Quantum Windbag]

Their job is to also keep him safe and ensure that he is not in any danger. They failed that test.

The TSA’s job is to prevent planes from being blown up as well but we don’t say that because the underwear bomber failed in his undertaking that the TSA did not fail in the screening process. Part of the job is to ensure that the plane is safe. The SS failed in the same manner here as well – they allowed a man that is apparently a schizophrenic to be close enough to attack the president. That should not have happened.

If that was there job they would stick him in a bunker under Cheyenne Mountain and never let him out.

No doubt. The SS, however, does not rule the president. He decides what he is going to do and then the SS does the best that they can to protect him.

Come on QW – I know you are smarter than this.

Yes, they do the best they can.

They had no advance notice, and did not have the authority to go into South Africa and cordon off a stadium that was being used for a public memorial just because Obama was going to be there. My guess is that they did everything they good to keep him away from that place, and he ignored their advice. (Frankly, I think this was one of the times he was right.)

They had to rely on South Africa's security, it wasn't perfect. That doesn't really matter though, he lived through it. It is fun to poke at the fact that they let someone get that close to Obama without a background check, but that is a minor issue. If you really want to harp on the lack of security think about the fact that the stadium was opened hours before any security was in place, and that no one vetted, or searched, the press. If that doesn't get you going, think about the fact that the press was right underneath the box where Obama, and the other heads of state, were seated, and that someone with a bomb could have wiped out the governments of half the planet.

They screwed up, and, hopefully, will figure out a way to not let it happen again.