Did Mariano Rivera deserve to be the only unanimous inductee into the hall?

[rightwinger]

Of course he deserved it, and Babe Ruth is a legend but def. not the Goat.

Whoa....

Whose the GOAT then?

That's a hodge-podge of subjectivism, and even choosing which metrics to base it on would be subjective in and of itself.

There's no clear cut answer to these kinds of things.

Some answer....

 

[Rocko]

What would you rather have, a lights out starting pitcher or a lights out closer?

A starter
But the complete game is a distant memory.

You want a lights out starter, look a Jacob DeGrom on the Mets
1.70 ERA got him an 11-10 record

Yet Rivera failed as a starter.

So.....

Best closer ever
Almost certain....GAME OVER when he entered the game

I’m not debating that he’s the best closer ever, but there are clearly better players that weren’t unanimous HOFers, agreed?

So based on that alone he shouldn’t have been unanimous

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

 

[G.T.]

Of course he deserved it, and Babe Ruth is a legend but def. not the Goat.

Whoa....

Whose the GOAT then?

That's a hodge-podge of subjectivism, and even choosing which metrics to base it on would be subjective in and of itself.

There's no clear cut answer to these kinds of things.

Some answer....

You want an opinion? Barry Bonds with an asterisk??? (joke) lol

The hell, I never would pretend I could know that sorta thing.

Baseketball is a little easier, but even then there are arguments that cant be discounted

 

[Rocko]

Of course he deserved it, and Babe Ruth is a legend but def. not the Goat.

Whoa....

Whose the GOAT then?

That's a hodge-podge of subjectivism, and even choosing which metrics to base it on would be subjective in and of itself.

There's no clear cut answer to these kinds of things.

Some answer....

You want an opinion? Barry Bonds with an asterisk??? (joke) lol

The hell, I never would pretend I could know that sorta thing.

Baseketball is a little easier, but even then there are arguments that cant be discounted

Baseball is the easiest because it’s all about individual stats

 

[G.T.]

Of course he deserved it, and Babe Ruth is a legend but def. not the Goat.

Whoa....

Whose the GOAT then?

That's a hodge-podge of subjectivism, and even choosing which metrics to base it on would be subjective in and of itself.

There's no clear cut answer to these kinds of things.

Some answer....

You want an opinion? Barry Bonds with an asterisk??? (joke) lol

The hell, I never would pretend I could know that sorta thing.

Baseketball is a little easier, but even then there are arguments that cant be discounted

Baseball is the easiest because it’s all about individual stats

I agree that stats matter in the argument.

Which all time #1 stat is commandeering this goat status, in your opinion outta curiousity.

 

[Rocko]

Whoa....

Whose the GOAT then?

That's a hodge-podge of subjectivism, and even choosing which metrics to base it on would be subjective in and of itself.

There's no clear cut answer to these kinds of things.

Some answer....

You want an opinion? Barry Bonds with an asterisk??? (joke) lol

The hell, I never would pretend I could know that sorta thing.

Baseketball is a little easier, but even then there are arguments that cant be discounted

Baseball is the easiest because it’s all about individual stats

I agree that stats matter in the argument.

Which all time #1 stat is commandeering this goat status, in your opinion outta curiousity.

Depends. For a pitcher I think it’s ERA. Rivera just missed out on Being top ten of all time in ERA, but nonetheless, he missed the cut

 

[rightwinger]

A starter
But the complete game is a distant memory.

You want a lights out starter, look a Jacob DeGrom on the Mets
1.70 ERA got him an 11-10 record

Yet Rivera failed as a starter.

So.....

Best closer ever
Almost certain....GAME OVER when he entered the game

I’m not debating that he’s the best closer ever, but there are clearly better players that weren’t unanimous HOFers, agreed?

So based on that alone he shouldn’t have been unanimous

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

If someone deserves to be a first ballot HOF you should vote for him
A player should not be penalized because Ruth got screwed

 

[Rocko]

Yet Rivera failed as a starter.

So.....

Best closer ever
Almost certain....GAME OVER when he entered the game

I’m not debating that he’s the best closer ever, but there are clearly better players that weren’t unanimous HOFers, agreed?

So based on that alone he shouldn’t have been unanimous

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

If someone deserves to be a first ballot HOF you should vote for him
A player should not be penalized because Ruth got screwed

I disagree. Baseball is about tradition and standards. Lowering the bar for new players doesn’t make much sense to me. Remember it’s the hall of fame, not the hall of the very good. 500 years from now kids will think Rivera was better than Babe Ruth because he was unanimous and The Babe wasn’t.

 

[rightwinger]

So.....

Best closer ever
Almost certain....GAME OVER when he entered the game

I’m not debating that he’s the best closer ever, but there are clearly better players that weren’t unanimous HOFers, agreed?

So based on that alone he shouldn’t have been unanimous

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

If someone deserves to be a first ballot HOF you should vote for him
A player should not be penalized because Ruth got screwed

I disagree. Baseball is about tradition and standards. Lowering the bar for new players doesn’t make much sense to me. Remember it’s the hall of fame, not the hall of the very good. 500 years from now kids will think Rivera was better than Babe Ruth because he was unanimous and The Babe wasn’t.

Can’t change the past
You can change the future

 

[Rocko]

I’m not debating that he’s the best closer ever, but there are clearly better players that weren’t unanimous HOFers, agreed?

So based on that alone he shouldn’t have been unanimous

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

If someone deserves to be a first ballot HOF you should vote for him
A player should not be penalized because Ruth got screwed

I disagree. Baseball is about tradition and standards. Lowering the bar for new players doesn’t make much sense to me. Remember it’s the hall of fame, not the hall of the very good. 500 years from now kids will think Rivera was better than Babe Ruth because he was unanimous and The Babe wasn’t.

Can’t change the past
You can change the future

I understand that, but why break with tradition? And more importantly why lower the bar? You’re saying the old players got gypped, I’m saying they’re getting gypped now that the bars been lowered for new players.

 

[Pogo]

I’m sure Pogo will disagree. He thinks everyone and their mother should be in the hall of fame!

Don't know where you get that idea. Actually I think the HoF is overpopulated because each year the PTB get together and elect a minimum number of whoever the best available is, rather than electing those who were truly head and shoulders above their peers. They don't seem to get that it's perfectly OK to look at some year's roster and conclude "I don't see anyone worthy here".

I say quality over quantity.

 

[Rocko]

I’m sure Pogo will disagree. He thinks everyone and their mother should be in the hall of fame!

Don't know where you get that idea. Actually I think the HoF is overpopulated because each year the PTB get together and elect a minimum number of whoever the best available is, rather than electing those who were truly head and shoulders above their peers. They don't seem to get that it's perfectly OK to look at some year's roster and conclude "I don't see anyone worthy here".

Ok.Agree. So do u think Rivera deserves to be unanimously inducted?

 

[rightwinger]

I think it is insulting that our greatest players were denied unanimous selection because of a few petty writers

Ruth, Cobb, Joe D, Williams, Mantle, Mays.....

Hopefully it will remove the stigma and future superstars will be unanimous

The way I look at it is getting in unanimously should be a distinction reserved for the best player ever. If someone comes along to best Babe Ruth’s accomplishments then let him get in unanimously. Rivera wasn’t that guy

If someone deserves to be a first ballot HOF you should vote for him
A player should not be penalized because Ruth got screwed

I disagree. Baseball is about tradition and standards. Lowering the bar for new players doesn’t make much sense to me. Remember it’s the hall of fame, not the hall of the very good. 500 years from now kids will think Rivera was better than Babe Ruth because he was unanimous and The Babe wasn’t.

Can’t change the past
You can change the future

I understand that, but why break with tradition? And more importantly why lower the bar? You’re saying the old players got gypped, I’m saying they’re getting gypped now that the bars been lowered for new players.

It is an unfair tradition that has been used against our greatest stars

The bar is at 75%
It has not been lowered

Unless you let in steroid users

 

[Pogo]

I’m sure Pogo will disagree. He thinks everyone and their mother should be in the hall of fame!

Don't know where you get that idea. Actually I think the HoF is overpopulated because each year the PTB get together and elect a minimum number of whoever the best available is, rather than electing those who were truly head and shoulders above their peers. They don't seem to get that it's perfectly OK to look at some year's roster and conclude "I don't see anyone worthy here".

Ok.Agree. So do u think Rivera deserves to be unanimously inducted?

Never saw him very much. Heard of him obviously but he was always in the Junior Circuit.

Actually if we're going to deny HoF to people with iffy or questionable or nefarious lifestyles, whelp putting on a Wankees uniform is about as nefarious as it gets, so....................

 

[Hellbilly]

I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.

A) He failed as a starting pitcher

B) He wasn’t an everyday player

C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s

D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.

None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.


He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.


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[Rocko]

Closers are vastly overrated.

yeah vastly ,,,only the difference between winning and losing

How can a player that only impacts the game half of one inning be the difference between winning and losing?

He’s a part of wining and losing in the grand scheme of things, but there are positions that are more intricle than closers.

Because once Mariano entered the game,opposing fans could start heading for the exit

and?

Yes he would nearly always get the save, which contributes to winning. It's not the difference between winning and losing, it's one of the differences.

 

[Rocko]

I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.

A) He failed as a starting pitcher

B) He wasn’t an everyday player

C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s

D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.

None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.


He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.


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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.

No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?

 

[Wry Catcher]

Closers are vastly overrated.

Your ignorance is underrated.

 

[rightwinger]

I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.

A) He failed as a starting pitcher

B) He wasn’t an everyday player

C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s

D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.

None of that matters. What matters is what Mariano did on the field. He was the greatest closer in the history of baseball. Period. At one time more men walked on the moon than got a hit off him in the playoffs.


He did it using 2 pitches.
He deserves a unanimous vote for the Hall Of Fame.


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You didn't explain why none of my points matter, you just said they don't matter.

No one can take away what Rivera has done on the field, but he wasn't the best player of all time, so why should he have the distinction of being the only unanimously voted in player?

Because someone had to be

If it makes you feel better, Derek Jeter will be unanimous next year

 

[candycorn]

I say hell no. A few different reasons why I don’t believe he is worthy of his achievement.

A) He failed as a starting pitcher

B) He wasn’t an everyday player

C) baseball didn’t even have closers untill the 1960’s

D) Babe Ruth wasn’t unanimous and he’s the GOAT. Rivera wasn’t the best player of all time. C’mon.

Two things:

Was he deserving to be a first ballot HOF? Yes. Sure he was.
Were others more deserving? Oh heck yeah! I can think of probably 5-10 players where there should be no argument against them getting a HOF vote on the first ballot. And I’m not even that big of a baseball fan.

Conversely, there are many players in the HOF would have zero business being there. Craig Biggio comes to mind.