Did Judges and the courts cause the fires

[CowboyTed]

We have nothing wrong with proper use of tax dollars. Improving the infrastructure is not socialism. It never has been, never will be.

Look up what socialism is....

If tax dollars are spent on something it is a social program, ie Socialism...

Just because you like it doesn't mean it is not. This is a basic concept...

That is why anyone saying all socialism is bad should be ignored as much any one saying all capitalism is bad...

Europe has just more social programs than the US overall but there area US has under government control which European countries have privatised as well... It is about balance rather than absolutes...

 

[TemplarKormac]

They did do something and the property was on a schedule for regular clearing of dead wood and invasive speciecs...

Ha!

"Schedule"

A reservoir was built but never filled with water to fight this fire. Pretty much negates any measures taken to mitigate fire risk on land. This all comes down to the mismanagement of the infrastructure. Misuse of funds designated for that purpose.

And overall incompetence.

 

[TemplarKormac]

If tax dollars are spent on something it is a social program, ie Socialism...

Infrastructure is not socialist. Any nation needs infrastructure. Doesn't matter what kind of government builds it.

 

[elektra]

The land I see there is now vulnerable to mudsliding, did he think of that?

It is nice to have conversations.

Los Peñasquitos Canyon Preserve has never had a Debris Slide (which you call mudslides.)

It seems to me you are applying ideas you heard to an area you know nothing about.

Why dismiss facts without throughly researching the topic.

The courts, at the request of environmentalists have been blocking the clearing of brush. That is a fact.

 

[elektra]

If tax dollars are spent on something it is a social program, ie Socialism...

bullshit

 

[elektra]

There was no incompetency here

The water pressure issue was from pipes that were there for decades...

We don't blame Governors |(be they GOP or Dem) when they get a one in hundred year hurricane. I

Problem is that Global Warming is going to make these happen much more frequently. People who deny this are a danger.

excuses is all the democrats have, from global warming to comparing yearly fires in california to once in a hundred year hurricanes.

newscum was negligent, massive fires in California happen yearly, not once in 100 years

 

[CowboyTed]

No amount of water would of helped stop the fire. The only thing is prevention.

Newscum, he was 100% aware of all the problems. From courts preventing brush removal to any issues with water.

Newscum was 100% informed and took actions that ignored the problems newscum was aware of.

Of the approximately 33 million acres of forest in California, federal agencies (including the USDA Forest Service and USDI Bureau of Land Management and National Park Service) own and manage 19 million acres (57%). State and local agencies including CalFire, local open space, park and water districts and land trusts own another 3%. 40% of California's forestland is owned by families, Native American tribes, or companies. Industrial timber companies own 5 million acres (14%). 9 million acres are owned by individuals with nearly 90% of these owners having less than 50 acres of forest land.

Most of the land is under federal control, that is USDA Forrest Service....

So when was Newsom in charge of the Federal Government

California Forests

Forest Research and Outreach- California Forests

ucanr.edu

Those forest fires were on federal land.

And by the way, who do we think cut there budget:

Budget Cuts Making Things Extremely Difficult on U.S. Forest Service Agency

It takes a lot of time and effort to keep all the forests and parks around the United States in peak condition. What was already a difficult job is about to get

www.si.com

Forest Service chief signals budget belt-tightening is on the horizon for FY2025

Chief Randy Moore said in a statement that the agency is preparing for a pared-down appropriation following the end of the Inflation Reduction Act and the Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding.

www.govexec.com

That looks like the GOP Congress... But don't worry, those tax cuts will be secured..

 

[elektra]

Of the approximately 33 million acres of forest in California, federal ...

Those forest fires were on federal land.

That looks like the GOP Congress... But don't worry, those tax cuts will be secured..

Pacific Palisades is surrounded by state land. Not federal land.

Newscum as a governor is in the best position to address forest fires, at the state level and federal level.

You are making excuses for the democrats in control of California.

 

[CowboyTed]

bullshit

We have explained this to ye many times...

When you spend tax money on programs like this they are social programs... This include police, military, education, roads..... Thus it is socialist...

When you privatise them and have under private (or corporation) ownership theat is more capitalism...

Thats it... It is a balance between socialism and capitalism.... Too much of one or the other is inefficient... It is about how you mix it... Somethings like roads and infrastructure lend themselves towards public ownership but have cases of tolls and private ownership...
IT is about weighing up the pros and cons of either...

 

[elektra]

Low information people like yourself believe lies on social media because they suit your politics.

It’s a cancer on the country.

I got my lies from the Los Angeles Times. That makes you of much lower intelligence, making false statements with zero knowledge.

Last I checked the Los Angeles Times is a democrat rag.

How can you call the Los Angeles Times social media? I guess you just say stupid stuff without thinking

 

[elektra]

We have explained this to ye many times...

Yes, you have dictated the falsehood many times. You can believe in your faith all you want. You can do as democrats dictate. That makes you wrong.

Government spending does not equal socialism

 

[Marener]

I got my lies from the Los Angeles Times. That makes you of much lower intelligence, making false statements with zero knowledge.

Last I checked the Los Angeles Times is a democrat rag.

How can you call the Los Angeles Times social media? I guess you just say stupid stuff without thinking

Link?

 

[elektra]

Link?

Where are your links? Those who are ignorant and of low intelligence always fail to link, and in your case asking for links is another low iq contradiction.

I am feeling generous though.

Federal plan to thin forest on Pine Mountain draws lawsuits from Patagonia, Ojai and others

The U.S. Forest Service says the project to thin 755 acres would alleviate fire risks, but lawsuits call it an improperly vetted vestige of the Trump administration.

www.latimes.com

 

[CowboyTed]

Pacific Palisades is surrounded by state land. Not federal land.

Newscum as a governor is in the best position to address forest fires, at the state level and federal level.

You are making excuses for the democrats in control of California.

Forrests themselves are federally managed...

The feds have the manpower and budget to manage them... They own 57% of the forestry in California, the State own 3%.

When it is a fire then the governor steps in but as I said before, high winds stopped all aircraft attacking this... Water pipes lost pressure due to a massive drain on the system... This is an urban system that needed far more capacity to take on a fire of this scale...

Sorry, but you have to look at the information you are being fed...

 

[elektra]

The Reyes Peak Forest Health and Fuels Reduction Project, first proposed in 2020, would thin and trim 755 acres of forestland, which the Forest Service says would alleviate firefighting risks.

 

[elektra]

Forrests themselves are federally managed...
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The feds have the manpower and budget to manage them... They own 57% of the forestry in California, the State own 3%.

When it is a fire then the governor steps in but as I said before, high winds stopped all aircraft attacking this... Water pipes lost pressure due to a massive drain on the system... This is an urban system that needed far more capacity to take on a fire of this scale...

Sorry, but you have to look at the information you are being fed...

The pacific palisades is surrounded by state land, you still fail

 

[Marener]

Where are your links? Those who are ignorant and of low intelligence always fail to link, and in your case asking for links is another low iq contradiction.

I am feeling generous though.

Federal plan to thin forest on Pine Mountain draws lawsuits from Patagonia, Ojai and others

The U.S. Forest Service says the project to thin 755 acres would alleviate fire risks, but lawsuits call it an improperly vetted vestige of the Trump administration.

www.latimes.com

That has nothing to do with your reference to a reservoir.

Yet, people are told a reservoir was empty so that is what everyone believes the problem was.

I’ll happily provide links to anything I claim when requested. The fact that you bitch about having to do the same demonstrates your intellectual weakness.

 

[elektra]

I’ll happily provide links to anything I claim when requested.

good, show how my reservoir link came from social media like you claimed

go ahead and give us a link to where you know I got my information

 

[CowboyTed]

Where are your links? Those who are ignorant and of low intelligence always fail to link, and in your case asking for links is another low iq contradiction.

I am feeling generous though.

Federal plan to thin forest on Pine Mountain draws lawsuits from Patagonia, Ojai and others

The U.S. Forest Service says the project to thin 755 acres would alleviate fire risks, but lawsuits call it an improperly vetted vestige of the Trump administration.

www.latimes.com

They said it wasn't thining... It was large scale logging...

 

[elektra]

They said it wasn't thining... It was large scale logging...

How about offering more than contradictions or reflections.

I statedcand proved courts are blocking the clearing of brush.

Your replies are the federal government owns land.

Nothing you state disproves my facts