Did John Wilkes Booth escape?

[LA RAM FAN]

Lots of truth here by Ron Paul, but you won’t see it.

That’s what our trollboys Whitehall and leftwinger ignore is how the Warren commission was the most biased unobjective investigation , key stone cops organization with Allen Dulles playing a major role being appointed on it,that was like the fox guarding the henhouse.it was a joke that Lyndon Johnson,the man with the biggest motive to have kennedy killed and profited the most from it,was allowed to to appoint the members of the Warren commission,he should have been investigated as a prime suspect,the fact he wasn’t just proves what a joke the investigation was.Johnson benefitted huge from the murder in the fact that there were investigations going on in his dirty dealings with the billy sol Estes case evidence he had people murdered off,he was scheduled to appear before a court and go on trial in a few days but once the assassination happened,the investigations into his corruption vanished completely.

Ron Paul is so correct,we ceased being America on nov22 nd and became a banana republic dictatership.

One of the trollboys I just mentioned here is a paid shill from Langley,the other is just a stupid dumbass incapable of critical thinking and puts you on ignore when you prove him wrong,guess which one is the paid shill from Langley and which of the two is just a dumbass.

Hey gipper it looks like our resident troll Whitehall has you on ignore as well the fact you checkmated him the cia killed him and he ignored this post. I’m guessing the only reason grampa Dulles grandson has not shown up on this thread to troll the thread as Whitehall and wrongwinger are,is because the thread is about Lincoln so his computer at Langley hasn’t alerted him to come here and troll,it only picks up on keywords like kennedy and jfk obviously.

 

[mikegriffith1]

See? These are the outright lies that we have to deal with when dealing with conspiracy theories. When they don’t have facts, they just make them up.

Any USMC trained marksmen here on USMB?
Could you make that shot?
I never met a Marine trained rifleman who says he couldn’t have hit two out of three at that range.

You are way out of your depth. This video about the CBS rifle test fails to mention some key facts. And I note that you just brushed aside the WC's own revealing rifle test. Regarding the CBS test:

One, none--as in not one--of the 11 experienced riflemen in the test scored two-out-of-three (2/3) on his first attempt--Oswald would have had only one attempt.

Two, seven of the 11 riflemen failed to go 2/3 on any of their attempts. Only four did so, but only on later attempts--again, not one did so on the first attempt.

Three, all of the riflemen had the chance to fire practice shots before the test--a luxury Oswald would not have had.

Four, the rifle used in the test was already zeroed. It would have taken at least seven shots to zero the alleged murder rifle, as a Marine rifle expert informed the Warren Commission. The Commission was never able to establish when Oswald would have had the chance to zero the alleged murder weapon.

Five, the CBS test did not use the actual alleged murder rifle itself but used a different Carcano rifle. This is a huge difference because the alleged Oswald Carcano had a difficult bolt, an odd trigger pull, and a defective scope.

Six, the CBS test did not include the key conditions of firing through a half-opened window and firing in the cramped conditions in which Oswald would have had to fire. This, of course, made it easier for the CBS riflemen to aim and fire the rifle.

Two other facts:

It has been known for years now that the bullet fragments on the back of JFK's skull could not have come from the type of ammo that Oswald allegedly used, i.e., FMJ ammo. No FMJ bullet in the history of forensic science has ever deposited one bullet fragment, much less two bullet fragments, on the outer table and just above the outer table while entering the skull.

A recent, first-of-its-kind 3D virtual reenactment of the assassination done by the respected forensic engineering firm Knott Laboratory has proved that the single-bullet theory is impossible. With the final destruction of the single-bullet theory, the lone-gunman theory is rendered impossible as well, since no lone gunman could have hit both JFK and Connally with separate bullets.

Are you aware of the declassified post-WWI files that indicate Hitler was known to be alive in South America, such as one intercept that specifically stated this to a contact in Germany?

rightwinger:

Again showing you will accept any wild conspiracy theory regardless of how silly it may be.

So you just call it "wild" even though you haven't read any of the evidence and even though you noticeably declined to comment on the declassified intercept.

And why exactly is it "wild"? We know that several other Nazi officials faked their deaths to throw Allied investigators off their trail and to make it easier to escape. What is "wild" about the idea that Hitler did the same thing to facilitate his escape?

Have you read any of the scholarly books that present the evidence that Hitler escaped? Have you watched any of the serious documentaries that discuss this evidence? I'm guessing the answer to both questions is No.

I provide links on this subject in the section on Hitler on my website on the Holocaust (LINK).

 

[ShahdagMountains]

I should have thought TN Harley would have been on this thread.

 

[rightwinger]

Three, all of the riflemen had the chance to fire practice shots before the test--a luxury Oswald would not have had.

Actually, they were allowed time to practice with a rifle they had never used.
Oswald had plenty of time to practice with his own rifle

Fact is, it was not an impossible shot and Oswald managed to hit two out of three

 

[rightwinger]

A recent, first-of-its-kind 3D virtual reenactment of the assassination done by the respected forensic engineering firm Knott Laboratory has proved that the single-bullet theory is impossible. With the final destruction of the single-bullet theory, the lone-gunman theory is rendered impossible as well, since no lone gunman could have hit both JFK and Connally with separate bullets.

More misinformation
The single bullet theory has been repeatedly proven based on the geometry of where JFK and Connelly were sitting

 

[Zincwarrior]

TRY THIS FOR SIZE

Lincoln's Assassination was a manufactured event meaning, it never happened
by Miles Mathis
First published February 19, 2014

http://mileswmathis.com/lincoln.pdf
NEW PAPER, added 5/31/14, The Lincoln Assassination was another Manufactured Event. I take you through the whole thing, using both old and new evidence.
PAPER UPDATE, added 8/28/16, The Lincoln Assassination was a False Flag. I have added several paragraphs of genealogy, showing Lincoln was related to most of his alleged conspirators through his wife Mary Todd, including John Wilkes Booth, Henry Rathbone, and the Surratts. Go down to p. 28 in the PDF.
PAPER UPDATE, added 5/29/19, Abe Lincoln. See p. 25, where we find more evidence Lincoln's death was faked.
PAPER UPDATE, added 3/11/20, The Lincoln Assassination. I show that we now have the grand slam: Lincoln was a gay Jewish actor who faked his death. See p. 29.
PAPER UPDATE, added 7/17/20, The Lincoln Assassination was Faked. I have added about a page to this one. See p. 21.
PAPER UPDATE, added 1/15/21, The Fake Lincoln Assassination. I have added another short paragraph and a couple of pictures of Booth to this one, in support of my research. See p. 30.

** Lincoln was a gay Jewish actor who faked his death-- same old story.

You are a nut.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

I should have thought TN Harley would have been on this thread.

yeah go figure.

 

[LA RAM FAN]

You are way out of your depth. This video about the CBS rifle test fails to mention some key facts. And I note that you just brushed aside the WC's own revealing rifle test. Regarding the CBS test:

One, none--as in not one--of the 11 experienced riflemen in the test scored two-out-of-three (2/3) on his first attempt--Oswald would have had only one attempt.

Two, seven of the 11 riflemen failed to go 2/3 on any of their attempts. Only four did so, but only on later attempts--again, not one did so on the first attempt.

Three, all of the riflemen had the chance to fire practice shots before the test--a luxury Oswald would not have had.

Four, the rifle used in the test was already zeroed. It would have taken at least seven shots to zero the alleged murder rifle, as a Marine rifle expert informed the Warren Commission. The Commission was never able to establish when Oswald would have had the chance to zero the alleged murder weapon.

Five, the CBS test did not use the actual alleged murder rifle itself but used a different Carcano rifle. This is a huge difference because the alleged Oswald Carcano had a difficult bolt, an odd trigger pull, and a defective scope.

Six, the CBS test did not include the key conditions of firing through a half-opened window and firing in the cramped conditions in which Oswald would have had to fire. This, of course, made it easier for the CBS riflemen to aim and fire the rifle.

Two other facts:

It has been known for years now that the bullet fragments on the back of JFK's skull could not have come from the type of ammo that Oswald allegedly used, i.e., FMJ ammo. No FMJ bullet in the history of forensic science has ever deposited one bullet fragment, much less two bullet fragments, on the outer table and just above the outer table while entering the skull.

A recent, first-of-its-kind 3D virtual reenactment of the assassination done by the respected forensic engineering firm Knott Laboratory has proved that the single-bullet theory is impossible. With the final destruction of the single-bullet theory, the lone-gunman theory is rendered impossible as well, since no lone gunman could have hit both JFK and Connally with separate bullets.




So you just call it "wild" even though you haven't read any of the evidence and even though you noticeably declined to comment on the declassified intercept.

And why exactly is it "wild"? We know that several other Nazi officials faked their deaths to throw Allied investigators off their trail and to make it easier to escape. What is "wild" about the idea that Hitler did the same thing to facilitate his escape?

Have you read any of the scholarly books that present the evidence that Hitler escaped? Have you watched any of the serious documentaries that discuss this evidence? I'm guessing the answer to both questions is No.

I provide links on this subject in the section on Hitler on my website on the Holocaust (LINK).

Asis always the case here everyday at usmb ,wrongwinger gets owned getting his ass checkmated ,what’s new?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

yeah go figure.

Wot?

 

[gipper]

See? These are the outright lies that we have to deal with when dealing with conspiracy theories. When they don’t have facts, they just make them up.

Any USMC trained marksmen here on USMB?
Could you make that shot?
I never met a Marine trained rifleman who says he couldn’t have hit two out of three at that range.

We can always count on you believing conspiracy theories put out by the state.

 

[rightwinger]

We can always count on you believing conspiracy theories put out by the state.

Ok
Show any evidence that shows Oswald received any help

 

[gipper]

Ok
Show any evidence that shows Oswald received any help

Oswald never fired a shot that day doofus.

 

[rightwinger]

Oswald never fired a shot that day doofus.

He fired three
His gun was found on the scene with his palm print. Bullets came from his gun.
Why would he run? Why would he shoot Officer Trippet?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Actually, they were allowed time to practice with a rifle they had never used.

They were all experienced riflemen. Virtually everyone who ever saw Oswald shoot in the Marines or in Russia said he was a poor shot.

Oswald had plenty of time to practice with his own rifle

You have no clue what you're talking about, as usual. When did Oswald practice with the alleged murder rifle in the months leading up to the assassination? When?

Fact is, it was not an impossible shot and Oswald managed to hit two out of three

For Oswald, it most certainly was an impossible shot. The three Master-rated riflemen in the WC's own rifle test did not even come close to duplicating the alleged shooting feat, and that was the only test where the shooters used the actual alleged murder weapon. In the CBS test, not one of the riflemen went 2/3 on their first attempt, and seven failed to do so on any attempt, even though the test failed to replicate the difficult conditions under which Oswald would have fired (half-opened window and a cramped sniper's nest).

BTW, the Photographic Evidence Panel of the House Select Committee on Assassinations determined from the Zapruder film and the Willis slides that JFK was first hit at or just before frame 190 of the Zapruder film, and other forensic experts have concurred with this finding. This was a historic finding because Oswald's view of JFK would have been obstructed by the intervening oak tree on Elm Street from frame 166 through frame 210 of the Zapruder film, which means that the first hit was not fired from the alleged Oswald window.

 

[mikegriffith1]

He fired three
His gun was found on the scene with his palm print. Bullets came from his gun.
Why would he run? Why would he shoot Officer Trippet?

Oh my goodness. Every one of these claims is wrong. You have read nothing that challenges these timeworn claims, have you? Just for once, do some serious research:

Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

 

[rightwinger]

Oh my goodness. Every one of these claims is wrong. You have read nothing that challenges these timeworn claims, have you? Just for once, do some serious research:

Faulty Evidence: Problems with the Case Against Lee Harvey Oswald

Show where Oswald received any help

Explain this..If it was a conspiracy

Why did Oswald use a $19.95 surplus, bolt action rifle instead of an expensive sniper rifle?
Why did Oswald’s escape plan involve taking the bus?
If it was a conspiracy, why would they ever allow Oswald to be captured?

 

[mikegriffith1]

Show where Oswald received any help

Uh, read the House Select Committee on Assassinations' final report, for starters.

Explain this..If it was a conspiracy

Why did Oswald use a $19.95 surplus, bolt action rifle instead of an expensive sniper rifle?

You are decades behind the information curve. The two back-of-head bullet fragments in JFK's skull alone prove that the alleged murder rifle did not fire the bullet that left those fragments. No FMJ bullet in the history of forensic science has ever left one fragment, much less two, on or near the outer table of the skull when entering the skull.

Why did Oswald’s escape plan involve taking the bus?

Sigh. . . . The problem is that you've read nothing that challenges the Warren Commission's claims. Thus, you are unaware of the problems with the claim that Oswald was even on that bus.

If Oswald was "fleeing," it is very odd that he offered his taxi to an older lady when he was about to get into William Whaley's taxi. Whaley let this revealing fact slip in his testimony.

If it was a conspiracy, why would they ever allow Oswald to be captured?

Even carefully planned military operations have snafus happen, things go wrong, unexpected events occur. The Mafia ordered Jack Ruby to silence Oswald before he was allowed to talk to a lawyer and before he was transferred from the Dallas police HQ building, and that's exactly what Ruby did.

The Warren Commission made the obscene claim that Ruby had no Mafia ties and shot Oswald in a momentary fit of rage after strolling into the police basement via the Main Street ramp. The House Select Committee debunked this fictional scenario.

 

[my2¢]

I doubt Booth escaped. If he hadn't broken his leg, I wonder how things would have turned out.

 

[mikegriffith1]

I doubt Booth escaped. If he hadn't broken his leg, I wonder how things would have turned out.

In 2019, a computer-assisted facial scanning analysis done by a recognized expert in the field found that a post-1866 photo of a man believed to be Booth was in fact Booth.

The facial scanning analysis was conducted on photos of Booth and of the other person, David E. George. The photos of George were taken long after April 1865. The expert who conducted the analysis was very skeptical going into the study; in fact, the expert expected the scanning analysis to prove that the two persons were not the same individual.

The facial recognition analysis found that "George’s photo was nearly a perfect match with Booth’s, within the top 1 percent of those bearing similar facial features." What’s more, "he was within one pixel of having the same eye structure."

"Within the top 1 percent" means the match was 99%, give or take a small fraction. The match with George was 99%. Considering that facial recognition analysis measures features like the spaces between the eyes, jaw lines, and the shapes of the noses and cheek bones, this is an amazing correspondence. In criminal cases, a 95% correspondence is considered a positive match and evidence that can be presented in court.

Did John Wilkes Booth get away with murdering President Abraham Lincoln?

The latest photo-recognition software backs a belief that had been dismissed by most historians as conspiracy nonsense.

www.philly.com

John Wilkes Booth 'got away with assassinating Abraham Lincoln'

An investigator with the Discovery Channel series Mummies Unwrapped says that modern-day face recognition technology shows that John Wilkes Booth’s face matched with that of two other men.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Mummies Unwrapped exclusive: Facial recognition expert examines the John Wilkes Booth mummy

Who is the traveling mummy people claim is John Wilkes Booth, the Lincoln assassin? Mummies Unwrapped gets to the bottom of this mystery.

www.monstersandcritics.com

 

[mikegriffith1]

In 2019, a computer-assisted facial scanning analysis done by a recognized expert in the field found that a post-1866 photo of a man believed to be Booth was in fact Booth.

The facial scanning analysis was conducted on photos of Booth and of the other person, David E. George. The photos of George were taken long after April 1865. The expert who conducted the analysis was very skeptical going into the study; in fact, the expert expected the scanning analysis to prove that the two persons were not the same individual.

The facial recognition analysis found that "George’s photo was nearly a perfect match with Booth’s, within the top 1 percent of those bearing similar facial features." What’s more, "he was within one pixel of having the same eye structure."

"Within the top 1 percent" means the match was 99%, give or take a small fraction. The match with George was 99%. Considering that facial recognition analysis measures features like the spaces between the eyes, jaw lines, and the shapes of the noses and cheek bones, this is an amazing correspondence. In criminal cases, a 95% correspondence is considered a positive match and evidence that can be presented in court.

John Wilkes Booth 'got away with assassinating Abraham Lincoln'

An investigator with the Discovery Channel series Mummies Unwrapped says that modern-day face recognition technology shows that John Wilkes Booth’s face matched with that of two other men.

www.dailymail.co.uk

Mummies Unwrapped exclusive: Facial recognition expert examines the John Wilkes Booth mummy

Who is the traveling mummy people claim is John Wilkes Booth, the Lincoln assassin? Mummies Unwrapped gets to the bottom of this mystery.

www.monstersandcritics.com

Several strange, suspicious things happened that indicate the Lincoln assassination was an inside job and that Secretary of War Edwin Stanton, one of the most venomous of the Radicals, was a key figure in the plot.

-- At about the same time that Booth shot Lincoln, all the lights on the terrace of the western front of the Capitol were put out.

-- Someone at the gasworks on Maryland Avenue shut off the gas that fed the lights around the Capitol and westward along Pennsylvania Avenue at about the same time that Booth was galloping eastward along the same stretch.

-- During Booth's escape, people reported that they heard what sounded like signal whistles near Booth's escape route.

-- Not long after Booth left DC, the commercial telegraph lines went down for two hours.

These actions were far beyond the capacity of the small motley crew that the military commission claimed were Booth's only conspirators.

-- The first dispatches that Stanton sent out to military and police authorities did not mention Booth by name, even though we know that Stanton was made aware almost immediately that Booth was the shooter. It was as if Stanton did not want Booth to be caught.

-- Lincoln would have had Major Thomas Eckert as his bodyguard that night had it not been for Stanton's deception. Lincoln went to the War Department and told Stanton that he wanted Eckert as his bodyguard that night, but Stanton falsely told Lincoln that Eckert could not go because he had "important" work to do in the telegraph office.

Subsequent research proved that the War Department’s telegraph office handled only a few routine telegrams that night, that Eckert left early and was home by dinner time, and that Eckert left a low-level subordinate to handle the telegraphic traffic that evening (Theodore Roscoe, The Web of Conspiracy: The Complete Story of the Men Who Murdered Abraham Lincoln, New Jersey: Prentice Hall, 1959, pp. 21-22).

But this troubling, revealing fact was not uncovered until years later.

When Stanton was questioned about the events of that night in a congressional hearing, he initially lied about when Lincoln came to the War Department to speak with him.

Moreover, when describing that visit in his congressional testimony, Stanton said nothing about Lincoln's request to have Eckert be his bodyguard and about his, Stanton's, false excuse for not allowing Eckert to guard Lincoln. That key fact came only out later when Stanton's aide David Homer Bates innocently revealed it. Bates, who greatly admired Stanton, had no idea that he was disclosing crucial information that Stanton had wanted suppressed.

-- The man who was supposed to be guarding the entrance to Lincoln's box that night, John Frederick Parker, conveniently left his post before Booth showed up to shoot Lincoln. Parker later claimed that Lincoln told him he could leave early. That was not how Lincoln's wife, Mary Todd Lincoln, remembered it all. To her dying day, she believed Parker took part in her husband's murder.