Zone1 Did God give us free will to do evil?

[Cougarbear]

In our lifetime we consume tens of thousands of animals. Other animals kill other animals to live. The world is a violent place. Humans don't like this violence so humans created harsher methods of violence to reduce violence with police, prisons, war, guns, weapons, etc. Humans don't like violence so they create mass violence factories to process meat for us so we don't have to. (ever notice those serious contradictions?) Evil is necessary for survival for all species on the planet to maintain their existence. The human is no exception. The more civilized we become the more barbaric we become. Humans are without competition the most violent species. Enjoy your chicken that you eat tonight that was provided to you courtesy of a violent human hand. People are just evil. Sometimes the evil ones are on your side. Sometimes they are not. God or no God, the world is evil. Every human heart could be ruled by good starting today and every human in the world would be dead within a year. The violent animals would continue to thrive. The structure of the world is evil. Unless God is going to build a different world then I don't see what choice we have.

It is depressing trying to figure this stuff out. Just protect yourself and maximize your survival techniques.

Maybe you need to have a different foundation to build your theories and beliefs on. For instance, why haven’t you included the violent killing of fruit and vegetables yanked from bushes and trees? Or the bugs you kill driving or being driven in cars, buses and planes?

My foundation is Jesus Christ. If I do as Jesus did while he was on the earth, I would not be evil. Of course, I fall short the glory of God as does everyone else.

I believe that your use of the word “violence“ is inaccurate. The word violence alone is not necessarily evil. Abusive violence is evil including against animals. “Abuse” requires intent. There is a lack of compassion and empathy when being abusive. The only goal with abusive violence is to inflict pain and enjoying their suffering. Sociopaths can do this.

So, why do we eat meat? Because we are carnivores to start with. And, we are hungry? If you don’t believe in God then those who have little hunt as in ancient days. The problem is we do indulge in meat. As the leader of a worldwide church wrote, “eat meat sparingly and in times of famine.” But, evil? There are better reasons to limit eating meats. Can’t really think of any off hand.

 

[presonorek]

Maybe you need to have a different foundation to build your theories and beliefs on. For instance, why haven’t you included the violent killing of fruit and vegetables yanked from bushes and trees? Or the bugs you kill driving or being driven in cars, buses and planes?

My foundation is Jesus Christ. If I do as Jesus did while he was on the earth, I would not be evil. Of course, I fall short the glory of God as does everyone else.

I believe that your use of the word “violence“ is inaccurate. The word violence alone is not necessarily evil. Abusive violence is evil including against animals. “Abuse” requires intent. There is a lack of compassion and empathy when being abusive. The only goal with abusive violence is to inflict pain and enjoying their suffering. Sociopaths can do this.

So, why do we eat meat? Because we are carnivores to start with. And, we are hungry? If you don’t believe in God then those who have little hunt as in ancient days. The problem is we do indulge in meat. As the leader of a worldwide church wrote, “eat meat sparingly and in times of famine.” But, evil? There are better reasons to limit eating meats. Can’t really think of any off hand.

I'm going to eat chicken.

 

[hadit]

But did he create evil?

No, because what we call evil is simply the absence of God's love, mercy and grace, and He being a loving God allows us to rebel against Him and demand that He stay out of our lives.

Dark is not a real thing, you can't increase darkness, you can only remove light.
Cold is not a real thing, you can't increase cold, you can only remove heat.

 

[Cougarbear]

I'm going to eat chicken.

Chicken, Cows, Frog Legs…

 

[Cougarbear]

No, because what we call evil is simply the absence of God's love, mercy and grace, and He being a loving God allows us to rebel against Him and demand that He stay out of our lives.

Dark is not a real thing, you can't increase darkness, you can only remove light.
Cold is not a real thing, you can't increase cold, you can only remove heat.

Well, we can’t demand God to do anything. We can ask nicely with humility like Abraham did before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. This is why it makes sense that we have always existed independent of God with our own free moral agency. God recognizes this and being all righteousness sets this fact as the most important doctrine of all doctrines.

 

[hadit]

Well, we can’t demand God to do anything. We can ask nicely with humility like Abraham did before God destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. This is why it makes sense that we have always existed independent of God with our own free moral agency. God recognizes this and being all righteousness sets this fact as the most important doctrine of all doctrines.

The problem for many comes in when they insist on being separate from God but don't like it when He takes Himself out of their lives.

 

[presonorek]

Chicken, Cows, Frog Legs…

Violent murder of them all just so I can survive. Without violence I would die.

 

[Cougarbear]

The problem for many comes in when they insist on being separate from God but don't like it when He takes Himself out of their lives.

They won’t be honest and admit they left God, not the other way around. We leave him. He doesn’t leave us.

 

[Cougarbear]

Violent murder of them all just so I can survive. Without violence I would die.

Then stop eating. And don’t violently eat those fruits and vegetables either. So stupid