Did anyone read the 10 point plan from Iran that tRump agreed to?

[Mac-7]

And they are not being stopped or persecuted, meanwhile more foreign agents arrested.

Thats your hope and assumption but how do you know?

Christian women must conform to the same sharia law that muslim women do

 

[Deadstick]

Thats your hope and assumption but how do you know?

Christian women must conform to the same sharia law that muslim women do

Would that be like all those British and western Women have to follow Sharia law in Saudi Arabia and Dubai?

 

[Mac-7]

Would that be like all those British and western Women have to follow Sharia law in Saudi Arabia and Dubai?

Yes

Even the best of the muslim countries are not good

 

[Rawley]

And yet they are what tRump said was "workable".

Ignorance or straight up lying? Hard to tell with you.

 

[Deadstick]

Yes

Even the best of the muslim countries are not good

But you make a special case out of Iran for your abuse, the Americans don't care about the Iranian people if the Clerics in Iran would do the bidding of the US like so many other Puppets they would have no problem at all.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Dumb. You’ve bought the hate and war propaganda streamed into your empty head by Zionists.

None of what you stated is true. It does apply to the Israelis however.

Israel has murdered 500,000 Gazans, but you approve of this. Your leader Bibi has funded Hamas for years and set up the events that occurred on 10/7. Hypocrite!

Gazans and Hamas are one in the same and they all deserve to die for 10-7.
Israel is obliged to make that happen. They sure have been quiet lately, maybe they are all dead. Well as long as you all keep your mouths shut and you'll be safe now.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Trump admitted the US sent guns into Tehran to the rioters let that sink in.

Linky loo?

 

[Alweysrite!]

And they are not being stopped or persecuted, meanwhile more foreign agents arrested.

Most of the Iranian government is busy right now, you know,, being dead......

 

[Alweysrite!]

Your article agrees with me. Are you confused?

Your article agrees with me. Are you confused?

Oops sorry. Meant for the "traitor gimp" crepitus.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Time is on the side of the United States. We can do what we want to them.

More likely they are consolidating, rearming, fortifying, that kinda stuff

 

[Stryder50]

Ground based anti ship missile launchers can be spread out over hundreds of square miles inside mountians

They dont need many of those to keep the Strait closed

Whats needed is regime change in Iran

Which seizing Kharg Island would accomplish

I didn't say it would be easy, but with time and a systematic method it might be doable.
I'll agree the primary and urgent goal should be regime change as in end of the theocracy.
Seizing Kharg Island would have to be via airborne/air mobile landings since it may be a challenge to get amphibious landing ships through the Strait until that channel is secure.

One way to clear it would be intensive drone surveillance and mobile radars that can spot any launch sites and provide quick response to such.* Also extensive survey of the area to find any visible cave openings or launch sites in advance. With command of the air, air-mobile infantry could be lifted into any detected hiding/launch site to cleanse such. I'm certain there are some methods and tech the military can use that aren't part of public knowledge.

* A comparable example; When my older son was serving with 1st Cav in Baghdad they had a frequent annoyance in 2-3 81mm mortar rounds landing inside the base. Causing a bit of damage and personnel injury. It was clear this was a hit and run process, but where this 'mobile' mortar was at remained elusive for awhile. Then one day a predator drone flying overhead spotted the pick-up with a mortar in the back bed. The truck would back into a regular and predetermined launch location, the crew drop 2-3 rounds down the tube in quick action, then throw a tarp over the weapon and race away.

On this occasion, things don't go according to the enemies plan. The Predator put a laser-target-designator beam onto the vehicle, a nearby 155mm howitzer fired a laser seeking canon round, and before the mortar crew was done and ready to dash, they got impacted! Scratch one 'mobile' mortar and crew.

 

[Stryder50]

And who is going to put them into power?

The US?

Are you for that....suddenly?

As I already mentioned, I'm opposed to all ten of the items.
I presented the list/link for information purposes.
I doubt either the USA or Israel will put any in place.

As for removing current theocratic rulers and replace with a more secular, representative government; I'd say that has to be the USA.
Israel already has more on it's agenda than it can handle.
Europe/NATO are too incompetent to do this correctly. They are the ones who started to screw up the Middle East over a century ago.
If the USA wants to reduce chances of having to back again a few years/decade from now, we need to complete the job and do so fully and correctly.
That would be;
1) Remove the Islamic theocratic rulers of Iran, replace with more secular, egalitarian and honestly representative government.
2) Assure Iran will not enrich radio-actives to weapons level. Lower enrichment for a bona-fide nuke power plant could be OK.
3) Do like we did to Japan at end of WWII and set Iran's military at a very low size for inner defense only.
4) Require China to start arms reductions to draw down it's threat in the Western Pacific region if they want petroleum export from Iran (with a stiff tariff on it).
5) Allow some Europe sharing of security and costs, along with petroleum access, provided they are vetted and under USA command.
6) Seriously consider and/or employ methods to majorly degrade the hostile Jihad dogma/scripture of Islam.
7) May be others I've not thought of yet.

 

[candycorn]

As I already mentioned, I'm opposed to all ten of the items.
I presented the list/link for information purposes.
I doubt either the USA or Israel will put any in place.

As for removing current theocratic rulers and replace with a more secular, representative government; I'd say that has to be the USA.
Israel already has more on it's agenda than it can handle.
Europe/NATO are too incompetent to do this correctly. They are the ones who started to screw up the Middle East over a century ago.
If the USA wants to reduce chances of having to back again a few years/decade from now, we need to complete the job and do so fully and correctly.
That would be;
1) Remove the Islamic theocratic rulers of Iran, replace with more secular, egalitarian and honestly representative government.
2) Assure Iran will not enrich radio-actives to weapons level. Lower enrichment for a bona-fide nuke power plant could be OK.
3) Do like we did to Japan at end of WWII and set Iran's military at a very low size for inner defense only.
4) Require China to start arms reductions to draw down it's threat in the Western Pacific region if they want petroleum export from Iran (with a stiff tariff on it).
5) Allow some Europe sharing of security and costs, along with petroleum access, provided they are vetted and under USA command.
6) Seriously consider and/or employ methods to majorly degrade the hostile Jihad dogma/scripture of Islam.
7) May be others I've not thought of yet.

Require China....lol. Nice.

It seems the only thing you gave any serious thought to is tiptoeing around saying we’re going to have to be there for ever to do 5% of this.

 

[Deadstick]

I didn't say it would be easy, but with time and a systematic method it might be doable.
I'll agree the primary and urgent goal should be regime change as in end of the theocracy.
Seizing Kharg Island would have to be via airborne/air mobile landings since it may be a challenge to get amphibious landing ships through the Strait until that channel is secure.

One way to clear it would be intensive drone surveillance and mobile radars that can spot any launch sites and provide quick response to such.* Also extensive survey of the area to find any visible cave openings or launch sites in advance. With command of the air, air-mobile infantry could be lifted into any detected hiding/launch site to cleanse such. I'm certain there are some methods and tech the military can use that aren't part of public knowledge.

* A comparable example; When my older son was serving with 1st Cav in Baghdad they had a frequent annoyance in 2-3 81mm mortar rounds landing inside the base. Causing a bit of damage and personnel injury. It was clear this was a hit and run process, but where this 'mobile' mortar was at remained elusive for awhile. Then one day a predator drone flying overhead spotted the pick-up with a mortar in the back bed. The truck would back into a regular and predetermined launch location, the crew drop 2-3 rounds down the tube in quick action, then throw a tarp over the weapon and race away.

On this occasion, things don't go according to the enemies plan. The Predator put a laser-target-designator beam onto the vehicle, a nearby 155mm howitzer fired a laser seeking canon round, and before the mortar crew was done and ready to dash, they got impacted! Scratch one 'mobile' mortar and crew.

So what are they waiting for Captain America?

Linky loo?

He gave a interview with FOX news where he came out with the truth for once.

Has Trump confirmed Iran’s claim that protesters were US-armed?

US president says Washington armed Kurdish Iranian opposition groups during the January demonstrations.

www.aljazeera.com

 

[Alweysrite!]

So what are they waiting for Captain America?

He gave a interview with FOX news where he came out with the truth for once.

Has Trump confirmed Iran’s claim that protesters were US-armed?

US president says Washington armed Kurdish Iranian opposition groups during the January demonstrations.

www.aljazeera.com

Yes he did but the Kurds stole them. Thus 30 to 40,000 protesters were murdered. That sucks

 

[Robert W]

This isn't a win. He gave away the farm.

The plan requires the lifting of all sanction on Iran and it's allies. Those allies include Russia and China if you'll recall.

It gives Iran control of the Straight of Hormuz. That is something tRump doesn't have the power to do.

It mandates a complete US withdrawal from the middle east. Giving up all our bases and troops stationed with freindly powers.

It states Iran can continue to enrich uranium.

An end to all attacks on Iran and it's allies. That's gonna include the Houthis and Hamas, you know.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets. I seem to remember you kids having kittens when Obama released some.

3/4 of a trillion dollars in reparations.

And a binding UN security council ruling to make the deal binding.

How in hell is this any sort of "win" for the US?

Explainer: What is in Iran’s 10-point ceasefire plan and will the US agree to it?

Two-week ceasefire comes after Trump spoke to Pakistan’s leaders, with China also believed to be exerting influence over Tehran

www.theguardian.com

That is not what Trump agreed to. That is the plan submitted that Trump rejected created by Iran.

 

[Alweysrite!]

That is not what Trump agreed to. That is the plan submitted that Trump rejected created by Iran.

Yeah but crepitus the traitor gimp doesn't know that

 

[BS Filter]

Yeah but crepitus the traitor gimp doesn't know that

Playing dumb. The only thing democrats are good at.

 

[Crepitus]

Just answer the question will you. I know you're preoccupied because blister kicked your ass so rightly but try to focus.

Do they call you the" traitor gimp" Because you're really a Traitor to your own country? Did you really root for Iran against the United states?

What did you finally get banned for, ShortBus?

 

[Crepitus]

Essentially...

13 dead Americans
300+ wounded Americans
40-60 Billion spent.

And we have the same situation we had before we dropped the first bomb.

Actually worse. Iran wasn't ******* with the straight then.