Did anyone read the 10 point plan from Iran that tRump agreed to?

[Conservative from Georgia]

Sure better than vegetable Biden

Trump has lower approval than a vegetable. Lol.

 

[Alweysrite!]

Trump has lower approval than a vegetable. Lol.

Not "the vegetable" your utter failure of a president from 20 to 24

 

[Hollie]

This isn't a win. He gave away the farm.

The plan requires the lifting of all sanction on Iran and it's allies. Those allies include Russia and China if you'll recall.

It gives Iran control of the Straight of Hormuz. That is something tRump doesn't have the power to do.

It mandates a complete US withdrawal from the middle east. Giving up all our bases and troops stationed with freindly powers.

It states Iran can continue to enrich uranium.

An end to all attacks on Iran and it's allies. That's gonna include the Houthis and Hamas, you know.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets. I seem to remember you kids having kittens when Obama released some.

3/4 of a trillion dollars in reparations.

And a binding UN security council ruling to make the deal binding.

How in hell is this any sort of "win" for the US?

Explainer: What is in Iran’s 10-point ceasefire plan and will the US agree to it?

Two-week ceasefire comes after Trump spoke to Pakistan’s leaders, with China also believed to be exerting influence over Tehran

www.theguardian.com

The leftist guardian must have gotten their story from the Iranian mullocrats.

 

[Alweysrite!]

It's not even a deal, it's just more Taco Trump.

Looks like Iran has already reneged on the deal

No, Trump Didn't Cave On Iran

And Lebanon was never included in Iran's imaginary agreement.

open.substack.com

 

[Alweysrite!]

Oh yeah. Crepitus just lies in every post.

She's like Mississippi to the other lefties on here. No matter how badly they come off they can all say 'at least I'm not Crepitus!'

He is the "traitor gimp"

 

[Zavulon]

Who will give Iran the nukes ?

Russua, China, North Korea.

How will such get to Iran ?

May be, via usual trade roads, like through Caspian sea, may be, there will be no need to deliver nukes to Iran. May be, there will be enough to deliver Iranians to their weapons.

How will Iran get them to the USA cities to 'nuke' ?

One of possible options - China made some of their "auxiliary cruisers" (disguised as civilian ships), arm then with Club-MS cruise missiles with, say, North Korean nuclear warheads and sell them to Iran (without actual delivering there). Then, Iran hire Russian crews (it may need additional permission from Parliament, but if conflict continues, this permission will be given) and all what they actually need to deliver to Pacific will be Iranian flags, Iranian captains, liason officers, and may be, some marines.

What would prevent the USA from Nuking Iran's cities in response ?

Possibly, risk of further escalation from Russia and China. May be, nothing. May be, America will alleviate after few counter-force strikes, before actual nuking cities. Like on this escalation ladder.

 

[Zavulon]

Bullshit

They attacked US soldiers in Iraq and Lebanon

And they supply terrorists in Yemen that attack international shipping

Their stated goal is to wipe out Israel and later the “Great Satan” America

C'mon. It's not "war" level, not even "special operation" level of violence. It's just "active foreign policy", when we kill each other in hundreds or thousands, rather than in millions in wars. And, of course, Americans by supporting Iraq and Israel, have killed much more Iranians, than Iran killed Americans. And don't forget that all those deaths happen because the USA came in Middle East, not Iran came in America.

And no, their main goal is still self-preservation. Destruction of the USA and Israel may be their way to achieve the peace. But may be, there are ways for mutual peaceful coexistence without annihilation of one of the sides.

 

[Natural Citizen]

 

[candycorn]

This isn't a win. He gave away the farm.

The plan requires the lifting of all sanction on Iran and it's allies. Those allies include Russia and China if you'll recall.

It gives Iran control of the Straight of Hormuz. That is something tRump doesn't have the power to do.

It mandates a complete US withdrawal from the middle east. Giving up all our bases and troops stationed with freindly powers.

It states Iran can continue to enrich uranium.

An end to all attacks on Iran and it's allies. That's gonna include the Houthis and Hamas, you know.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets. I seem to remember you kids having kittens when Obama released some.

3/4 of a trillion dollars in reparations.

And a binding UN security council ruling to make the deal binding.

How in hell is this any sort of "win" for the US?

Explainer: What is in Iran’s 10-point ceasefire plan and will the US agree to it?

Two-week ceasefire comes after Trump spoke to Pakistan’s leaders, with China also believed to be exerting influence over Tehran

www.theguardian.com

Essentially...

13 dead Americans
300+ wounded Americans
40-60 Billion spent.

And we have the same situation we had before we dropped the first bomb.

 

[candycorn]

And from another source, the 10 points.*

1. US commitment to ensure no further acts of aggression
2. Continued Iranian control of the Strait of Hormuz
3. Acceptance of Iran’s nuclear enrichment rights
4. Lifting of all primary sanctions
5. Lifting of all secondary sanctions
6. Termination of all United Nations Security Council resolutions against Iran
7. Termination of all International Atomic Energy Agency Board of Governors resolutions against Iran
8. Payment of damages to Iran for loss in the war
9. Withdrawal of US combat forces from the region
10. Cessation of hostilities on all fronts, including Lebanon

https://www.firstpost.com/explainers/donald-trump-ceasefire-iran-two-weeks-10-point-conditions-strait-of-hormuz-13997764.html

* I can't/wouldn't agree to any of these.
Iran started this "war" about 47 years ago and they, the theocratic government, should get no benefit from their violent aggression's.
Once the Islamic theocracy regime is removed from power and a more secular, personal liberty focused government/regime is in power, than a couple of these might be implemented.

And who is going to put them into power?

The US?

Are you for that....suddenly?

 

[Natural Citizen]

Essentially...

13 dead Americans
300+ wounded Americans
40-60 Billion spent.

And we have the same situation we had before we dropped the first bomb.

Casualty statistics/records for this so-called excursion, I believe, have been rendered classified information now.

Somebdy can check me on that, though.

 

[candycorn]

Casualties, I believe, have been rendered classified information now.

Somebdy can check me on that, though.

Someone brought up that Iran attacked our troops in Iraq as provocation for this latest tantrum.

They did in fact do so but it was in retaliation for an attack we made on them. The attack was at Al Asad Air base. Trump said there were no casualties when in reality, there were some traumatic brain injuries suffered by US troops.

With this administration, if they admit to any bad news, I always just assume it's 50X worse than they admit.

 

[Natural Citizen]

Someone brought up that Iran attacked our troops in Iraq as provocation for this latest tantrum.

They did in fact do so but it was in retaliation for an attack we made on them. The attack was at Al Asad Air base. Trump said there were no casualties when in reality, there were some traumatic brain injuries suffered by US troops.

With this administration, if they admit to any bad news, I always just assume it's 50X worse than they admit.

 

[Zavulon]

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There was a question, if "Epstain coalition" is US-led, or Israel-led. Now, when it's clear that it's Israel-led coalition, and American soldiers and civilians are just "freaking expendables", the question is what possibly could force the President of the USA, one of the mightiest states on the planet, knee before some Middle East dictator and betray American people?

 

[Natural Citizen]

There was a question, if "Epstain coalition" is US-led, or Israel-led. Now, when it's clear that it's Israel-led coalition, and American soldiers and civilians are just "freaking expendables", the question is what possibly could force the President of the USA, one of the mightiest states on the planet, knee before some Middle East dictator and betray American people?

One fundamental driver of the problem, and a critical factor, in fact, is that his advisory team, the people he listens to and is influenced by most, are largely Israeli assets.

Talking about Kushner and that bunch. The ones who talked him into this shit in the first place.

 

[Captain Caveman]

White people lie to EVERYONE

If you don't go to sleep, Santa won't come with the toys. Not sure if that lie is only used by whites

 

[Zavulon]

One fundamental driver of the problem, and a critical factor, in fact, is that his advisory team, the people he listens to and is influenced by most, are largely Israeli assets.

Talking about Kushner and that bunch. The ones who talked him into this shit in the first place.

Quite likely. But what can American people do about it? How can they change the mind of Israel? Anyway, a big war on Middle East is the bad thing for majority of Isreal's citizens, too.

What had happened with all those "democratic institutions"?

 

[BS Filter]

This isn't a win. He gave away the farm.

The plan requires the lifting of all sanction on Iran and it's allies. Those allies include Russia and China if you'll recall.

It gives Iran control of the Straight of Hormuz. That is something tRump doesn't have the power to do.

It mandates a complete US withdrawal from the middle east. Giving up all our bases and troops stationed with freindly powers.

It states Iran can continue to enrich uranium.

An end to all attacks on Iran and it's allies. That's gonna include the Houthis and Hamas, you know.

The release of all frozen Iranian assets. I seem to remember you kids having kittens when Obama released some.

3/4 of a trillion dollars in reparations.

And a binding UN security council ruling to make the deal binding.

How in hell is this any sort of "win" for the US?

Explainer: What is in Iran’s 10-point ceasefire plan and will the US agree to it?

Two-week ceasefire comes after Trump spoke to Pakistan’s leaders, with China also believed to be exerting influence over Tehran

www.theguardian.com

The President did not agree to the 10 point plan. Someone lied to you.

 

[Alweysrite!]

It's not even a deal, it's just more Taco Trump.

Looks like we're still working on it. One thing for certain Iran's not going to be using a nuclear weapon anytime soon

 

[Alweysrite!]

The President did not agree to the 10 point plan. Someone lied to you.

Someone with the nickname of traitor gimp should really work harder to discern complex scenarios. The whole Iran Middle East thing is obviously too much for you and you should just stay on the sidelines and watch. Leave it for the big boys traitor.