Did Aliens Drop Jews Into the ME?

[Humanity]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

 

[Hossfly]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

I voted YES! What the hell more do you want?

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You ever heard of the Sumerian society?

Anu is most likely the same God that the Jewish people of that day worshiped.

 

[JQPublic1]

If you want an unbiased opinion,ask the Pope!

 

[Shusha]

Of course life existed in the ME before the Jewish people developed. Mostly it consisted of a collection of warring tribes who eventually coalesced into the dominate ethnic culture which is still today recognizable as "Jewish" by its language, religious faith, system of laws, life event celebrations, holidays, customary clothing, stories and myths passed down for thousands of years. The Jewish people are not the FIRST people in the area, but are the oldest surviving, culturally recognizable ethnic group in the region.

 

[Humanity]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You ever heard of the Sumerian society?

Anu is most likely the same God that the Jewish people of that day worshiped.

I have, yeah, and, they weren't Jews....

So, that would suggest that there is something known as 'Pre-Jewish' history!

That's going to be a bit of a shocker for the pro Israelis!!!!

 

[Bruce_T_Laney]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You ever heard of the Sumerian society?

Anu is most likely the same God that the Jewish people of that day worshiped.

I have, yeah, and, they weren't Jews....

So, that would suggest that there is something known as 'Pre-Jewish' history!

That's going to be a bit of a shocker for the pro Israelis!!!!

Here is a real shocker but did you know there was a pre-American history before there was a America?

Now you will wonder what does that have to do with your thread but take a moment and realize before the European settlers came across the ocean there were societies already here in this region of the world, but some just blow it off and believe their society was the only real one that was here.

Now take that and use that logic with what you are trying to convey, and remember Abraham, Noah, and even Adam were not from what you would call Israel today, so they came from somewhere else, and it point to the Sumerian region....

So there was a society before the first Jewish settlers in what is known as Palestine or Israel and where the Jewish people actually came from was most likely Sumeria and not a space ship where their creator created them and then got upset that they would not longer allow anal probing so he dropped off at the nearest desert...

 

[montelatici]

The people of Palestine of whatever religion they adopted through the ages, are the offspring of the original people of the area. Europeans that happened to practice Judaism are not.

 

[westwall]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Of course there was. There is no question of that. The Jews were the first to actually WRITE down history for that region though. That sets them apart from everyone else....

 

[Hollie]

The people of Palestine of whatever religion they adopted through the ages, are the offspring of the original people of the area. Europeans that happened to practice Judaism are not.

So, were the Ottoman colonizers / invaders given a free pass for colonization / invasion because they were in the general Islamist neighborhood?

 

[Shusha]

The people of Palestine of whatever religion they adopted through the ages, are the offspring of the original people of the area.

Please demonstrate this "fact" by showing some sort of cultural relationship between today's Arab Muslim Palestinians and the peoples who existed in the territory prior to the development of the Jewish people. Use whatever cultural markers you would like to use.

 

[ChrisL]

The Brits owned the territory, not the "Palestinians." The history is irrelevant. The territory was taken and lost many times throughout history. The point is that Jews are living there now. They are not going anywhere. They are all going to have to find a way to get along.

 

[turzovka]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

>>"There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!"<<

The "sensible discussion" is that part that really escapes me?

So people lived in that region before Abraham? Did you have a point to make?

 

[Penelope]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Sumer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You ever heard of the Sumerian society?

Anu is most likely the same God that the Jewish people of that day worshiped.

I have, yeah, and, they weren't Jews....

So, that would suggest that there is something known as 'Pre-Jewish' history!

That's going to be a bit of a shocker for the pro Israelis!!!!

Of course life existed in the ME before the Jewish people developed. Mostly it consisted of a collection of warring tribes who eventually coalesced into the dominate ethnic culture which is still today recognizable as "Jewish" by its language, religious faith, system of laws, life event celebrations, holidays, customary clothing, stories and myths passed down for thousands of years. The Jewish people are not the FIRST people in the area, but are the oldest surviving, culturally recognizable ethnic group in the region.

No they are not, the Negro is. Egyptians , Greeks and even Romans were far more advanced, and also Sumer. Hebrews intermarried with many other people. Jews are recent, since the exile from Babylon.

 

[montelatici]

"Most Palestinians in Judea & Samaria were formerly Jews


Palestinians maintain Jewish customs, including mourning rituals, lighting Shabbat candles and even wearing tefillin."

Most Palestinians in Judea & Samaria were formerly Jews

 

[Penelope]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Of course there was. There is no question of that. The Jews were the first to actually WRITE down history for that region though. That sets them apart from everyone else....

No , Sumer and Egypt were. They didn't write till the capture in Babylon and that was via oral history of which they stole most of it.

 

[ChrisL]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Of course there was. There is no question of that. The Jews were the first to actually WRITE down history for that region though. That sets them apart from everyone else....

No , Sumer and Egypt were. They didn't write till the capture in Babylon and that was via oral history of which they stole most of it.

And you know this how? Were you there to witness this or something?

 

[Penelope]

Thought I would start this thread rather than receiving an infraction on a loosely related topic...

It appears that must pro Israelis have issues with history and how it works...

Selecting dates that suit your own personal views is pretty pointless... History is timeless....

Judaism isn't! Neither is Israel...

There really WAS history in the middle east BEFORE Jews arrived....

There has to be a basic acceptance that there was life before Judaism before there can be any sensible discussion!

If that is not possible then, zionuts around the world must accept that aliens dropped Jews onto the planet, AS Jews...

Seems a bit far fetched? Well, reading some, MOST, pro Israeli posts you would think that life did not exist in the ME UNTIL Jews arrived!

Of course there was. There is no question of that. The Jews were the first to actually WRITE down history for that region though. That sets them apart from everyone else....

No , Sumer and Egypt were. They didn't write till the capture in Babylon and that was via oral history of which they stole most of it.

And you know this how? Were you there to witness this or something?

Greeks were more advanced as well. Abraham learned astrology from Samaria. I read history, not OT stuff.

 

[Shusha]

"Most Palestinians in Judea & Samaria were formerly Jews

Palestinians maintain Jewish customs, including mourning rituals, lighting Shabbat candles and even wearing tefillin."

Most Palestinians in Judea & Samaria were formerly Jews

Which, if true, only confirms my point that the Jewish people are the oldest, surviving, culturally recognizable people in the territory. And that the Jewish people most definitely have the oldest connection to the territory. And that those who now identify as Arab Muslim Palestinians are the result of the original Jewish people mixing with a group of colonizers and invaders who moved into the territory and brought with them new language, new religious faiths, new customs, new laws and family celebrations and holidays and new stories and myths.

You are essentially saying that the reason we know that the "Palestinians" have been there the longest is because they are culturally Jewish. Which cuts a really, really large hole in your "Jews are Europeans" argument.

 

[Penelope]

Proto-Sinaitic, also known as Proto-Canaanite, was the first consonantal alphabet. Even a quick and cursory glance at its inventory of signs makes it very apparent of this script's Egyptian origin. Originally it was thought that at round 1700 BCE, Sinai was conquered by Egypt, and the local West-Semitic population were influenced by Egyptian culture and adopted a small number of hieroglyphic signs (about 30) to write their own language. However, recent discoveries in Egypt itself have compounded this scenario. Inscriptions dating to 1900 BCE written in what appears to be Proto-Sinaitic were found in Upper Egypt, and nearby Egyptian texts speak of the presence of Semitic-speaking people living in Egypt.

No matter where and when the adoption of Egyptian signs onto a Semitic language occurred, the process of adoption is quite interesting. Egyptian hieroglyphs already have phonetic signs (in addition to logograms), but the Sinaitic people did not adopt these phonetic signs. Instead, they randomly chose pictorial Egyptian glyphs (like ox-head, house, etc), where each sign stood for a consonant. How did they decide which sign get which consonant? A sign is a picture of an object, and the first consonant of the word for this object becomes the sound the sign represents. In short, this is called the acrophonic principle.

For example, the word for an ox is /'aleph/, which is the first sign on the left Proto-Sinaitic column. It stood for the sound /'/, which is the glottal stop (also written as /?/).

Proto-Sinaitic soon spread to Canaan, hence its other name, Proto-Canaanite, or Old Canaanite script. It evolved locally into the Phoenician script.

Phoenician was the immediately descendent of Proto-Sinaitic. Its major change is the more linear (less curved) shapes of its signs. Other than this cosmetic change, everything else remained pretty much the same. South Arabian was also an early offshoot of Proto-Sinaitic, as its letters are very different in shape and order from Phoenician.

The following is a comparison between Proto-Sinaitic, Phoenician, and Greek alphabets.


Ancient Scripts: Proto-Sinaitic