Dick Morris: Rice versus Hillary

[Eightball]

I happened to tune into old Hannity and Colmes last night for a couple minutes, and Dick Morris was on talking about a book he had written. The book was basically all about drafting Condoleezza Rice, in a grass-roots style movement to face Hillary in 2008 for the U.S. Presidential election.

Have any of you folks reviewed the book?

Morris has sure made a 180 since being William Clinton's main man years ago in that administration.

Alan Colmes really grilled Morris pretty hard, but Morris had really done his homework on Condoleezza Rice, and quoted one statistic after another on her merits and qualifications. Colmes was systematically quieted and couldn't rebuttal.

One important thing that Morris mentioned about Condoleezza Rice's candidacy in 2008 was that he had personally talked to several Black Democratic politicians that felt that she would draw a sizeable black American vote, even though she was a conservative. The consensus from these Democrat Black politicians was that her stand against affirmative action, and how she basically pulled herself up in life without government help actually would gain her a lot of black votes. Apparently government help for the Black American isn't considered a badge of pride, but is disdained by many. He also mentioned that Condoleezza Rice was pro-gun ownership too. That stance had been solidified in her when she was very young as her family and many other black Americans were harrassed and threatened by the KKK, and local Southern White Law authorities ignored her father's and other black familie's pleas for protection. Her father went out and purchased a gun as well as other black families to protect themselves as a result. So Condoleezza Rice isn't anti-firearm, as a result of personal experience.

Morris went on to say that Hillary's Senatorial record was average to poor(miserable), and that all of her backed and authored legislations were mediocre or high spending, and that her voting record was ranked even more liberal than Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts! Again, liberal talk-show host Alan Colmes didn't refute Morris's stats/claims.

He said that Rice could beat Hillary in 2008, and that he predicted that a draft-Condoleezza Rice grass-roots movement would ensue.
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What say yee..............folks?

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I happened to tune into old Hannity and Colmes last night for a couple minutes, and Dick Morris was on talking about a book he had written. The book was basically all about drafting Condoleezza Rice, in a grass-roots style movement to face Hillary in 2008 for the U.S. Presidential election.

Have any of you folks reviewed the book?

Morris has sure made a 180 since being William Clinton's main man years ago in that administration.

Alan Colmes really grilled Morris pretty hard, but Morris had really done his homework on Condoleezza Rice, and quoted one statistic after another on her merits and qualifications. Colmes was systematically quieted and couldn't rebuttal.

One important thing that Morris mentioned about Condoleezza Rice's candidacy in 2008 was that he had personally talked to several Black Democratic politicians that felt that she would draw a sizeable black American vote, even though she was a conservative. The consensus from these Democrat Black politicians was that her stand against affirmative action, and how she basically pulled herself up in life without government help actually would gain her a lot of black votes. Apparently government help for the Black American isn't considered a badge of pride, but is disdained by many. He also mentioned that Condoleezza Rice was pro-gun ownership too. That stance had been solidified in her when she was very young as her family and many other black Americans were harrassed and threatened by the KKK, and local Southern White Law authorities ignored her father's and other black familie's pleas for protection. Her father went out and purchased a gun as well as other black families to protect themselves as a result. So Condoleezza Rice isn't anti-firearm, as a result of personal experience.

Morris went on to say that Hillary's Senatorial record was average to poor(miserable), and that all of her backed and authored legislations were mediocre or high spending, and that her voting record was ranked even more liberal than Sen. Ted Kennedy of Massachusetts! Again, liberal talk-show host Alan Colmes didn't refute Morris's stats/claims.

He said that Rice could beat Hillary in 2008, and that he predicted that a draft-Condoleezza Rice grass-roots movement would ensue.
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What say yee..............folks?

No choice but a woman to be president? That would be a sign of the times, for sure. I have a hard time believing that one side doesn't run a guy just so that they can get all the insecure about having a woman president votes... a prisoner's dilema of sorts.

 

[no1tovote4]

It is my personal opinion that the Republican Party is setting up Rice to run as VP, not as President herself. Look at the positions she has held in the Administration, they appear to be giving her experience that can be used to run as VP who would be the US Rep at funerals etc.

 

[Zhukov]

What say yee..............folks?

I'd like to see her run if only to let black people see what the media would do to her and in so doing expose their own latent racism.

I'd like to see her run against Hillary just to see her make a fool of Hillary when they debated.

If she were the Republican nominee I would probably vote for her.


Having said all that I don't know what kind of candidate she would make, I've no idea what type of President she would be, and I'd rather see the GOP nominate someone who is just as conservative but who has also demonstrated that they can win elected office and would therefore have a record from that office that I could examine.

 

[speederdoc]

Rice would make a wonderful president.

 

[5stringJeff]

I hope to high heaven that Rice runs. She would be a kick-ass President.

 

[Abbey Normal]

I hope to high heaven that Rice runs. She would be a kick-ass President.

She has exceptional credentials. Do you think her being single is a positive or a negative for her in a campaign? No family to object to a run, like Colin Powell's apparently did.

 

[5stringJeff]

She has exceptional credentials. Do you think her being single is a positive or a negative for her in a campaign? No family to object to a run, like Colin Powell's apparently did.

I'm sure the Dems will make it an issue. The Dems will probably still trot out the "Republicans are all racist" line, even if Condi runs.

 

[Bonnie]

I hope to high heaven that Rice runs. She would be a kick-ass President.

As do I, I saw that interview last night with Morris, and he was spouting off accomplishments galore re Dr Rice, but what was astounding was Hillary's lack of accomplishment.

Hillary's Senate record



Our friends at the National Review spotted this post-election howler in an Associated Press dispatch: "For 2008, the presumptive leading presidential candidates are New York Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, a Northeastern centrist . . ." Recalling Mrs. Clinton's pre-senatorial work for Marian Wright Edelman's radical Children's Defense Fund and Robert Treuhaft's "revolutionary" and Black Panther law firm, the National Review understandably responded to this evolving new line on Hillary by exclaiming, "Whoa, whoa, whoa!"







The Washington Times editorial page would like to add its two-cents' worth by reviewing Mrs. Clinton's first years in the Senate and comparing her voting record to the record of liberalism's unquestioned standard-bearer, Teddy Kennedy, who would be proud to say that he has never been mistaken for a "Northeastern centrist." What do you know? The unquestionably liberal voting records of these two Northeasterners are virtually indistinguishable.
• The Americans for Democratic Action (ADA), the self-styled premier liberal organization that issues annual congressional voting ratings by tallying the votes cast on its 20 most important issues, has given Mrs. Clinton scores (ADA cleverly calls them "liberal quotients") of 95 percent for each of her first three years. Mr. Kennedy's ADA ratings have been 100 percent (2001 and 2002) and 95 percent (2003).
• If the ADA guards the liberal flame in Congress, the American Conservative Union (ACU) performs the same function for conservatives. Mrs. Clinton's average ACU rating (2001-2003) of 11 is not much different from Mr. Kennedy's 5 for the same period.
• The Big Labor bosses love New York's junior senator as much as they worship Massachusetts' senior senator. The American Federation of State, County and Municipal Employees, which is feverishly working to protect the gold-plated, unaffordable, bankruptcy-inducing pensions and early-retirement privileges of public workers, has given Mrs. Clinton and Mr. Kennedy 100 percent ratings for 2001, 2002 and 2003. Meanwhile, Mrs. Clinton's lifetime rating of 93 percent from the AFL-CIO is precisely the same as Mr. Kennedy's.
• For the 2001-2003 period, Mrs. Clinton compiled an average rating of 88.3 from the League of Conservation Voters. That was 2 points higher than Mr. Kennedy's three-year average.
• Neither Mrs. Clinton nor Mr. Kennedy did much for taxpayers during 2001-2003. She has compiled an average annual rating of 14 percent from the National Taxpayers Union; Mr. Kennedy's is 13 percent. Meanwhile, the National Tax Limitation Committee gave both senators a zero rating for the 107th Congress (2001-2002).
• The one score the Christian Coalition has given to each of them since Mrs. Clinton arrived in the Senate is zero. That shouldn't be much of a surprise, considering that each of their annual ratings (2001-2003) from the National Right to Life Committee has been zero, while each has earned 100 percent marks from NARAL Pro-Choice America over the same period. Each also received identical scores from the American Civil Liberties Union for the 107th Congress.
• Each year the nonpartisan National Journal ranks each senator on three separate liberal/conservative continuums according to dozens of votes cast on economic, social and foreign-policy issues. In 2002, not a single U.S. senator was considered more liberal than Mrs. Clinton on economic and social matters. Last year no senator surpassed her liberal ranking on social issues, while she voted more liberally on economic matters than 90 percent of her colleagues. Her composite liberal score last year was higher than Mr. Kennedy's. A "Northeastern centrist"? Compared to Mrs. Clinton's 2003 composite liberal score of 88.8, Maine Republican Sens. Olympia Snowe and Susan Collins received composite liberal scores of 50.5 and 50.8, respectively, establishing their unquestioned "Northeastern centrist" credentials. Mrs. Clinton isn't even in the centrist ballpark.
• Each year the authoritative Congressional Quarterly (CQ) selects 10 to 15 "key votes." Since arriving in the U.S. Senate in 2001, Mrs. Clinton cast the same votes as Mr. Kennedy on CQ-selected "key" issues in nine out of 10 cases (2001), 12 out of 13 instances (2002) and 13 out of 14 votes (2003).
Having witnessed what has happened to comparably liberal Northeastern politicians who have sought the presidency over the past quarter century, including Massachusetts liberals like Mr. Kennedy (1980), Michael Dukakis (1988) and John Kerry (2004), Mrs. Clinton will surely seek to adopt the "centrist" image over the next few years. To this end, she will undoubtedly be helped by her liberal media friends, who, like Hillary, understand how deadly the liberal moniker is to a politician nationwide. In the interest of truth, The Washington Times editorial page will occasionally take a close look at her positions in order to confirm beyond any freshly arising doubt just how entrenched her liberalism truly is. Today, we have seen that interest groups across the political spectrum consider her virtually indistinguishable from Teddy Kennedy, the widely proclaimed — and unabashed — lion of Senate liberalism.

http://www.washtimes.com/op-ed/20041120-084025-3316r.htm

 

[Nuc]

From a purely male point of view, if I have to watch and listen to one of those broads for 4 or 8 years, it's Rice hands down. And it will save me a lot of time because I won't even have to think about politics to decide my vote.

 

[Abbey Normal]

From a purely male point of view, if I have to watch and listen to one of those broads for 4 or 8 years, it's Rice hands down. And it will save me a lot of time because I won't even have to think about politics to decide my vote.

Broads? Nuc, you're sounding kinda old school, there.

Is it Shrillary's voice that you can't stand? Or is it the things that come out of her mouth?

 

[Nuc]

Broads? Nuc, you're sounding kinda old school, there.

Is it Shrillary's voice that you can't stand? Or is it the things that come out of her mouth?

I am old school, martinis, Frank Sinatra, rib eye steak medium rare.

The voice is totally unnacceptable, to the point where I can't digest what she's saying, it just sounds like a bunch of feedback and white noise to me.

Plus Condi has nice legs and a sincere smile. When Hillary smiles she looks like she smelled one of Monica Lewinsky's farts.

 

[The ClayTaurus]

I am old school, martinis, Frank Sinatra, rib eye steak medium rare.

The voice is totally unnacceptable, to the point where I can't digest what she's saying, it just sounds like a bunch of feedback and white noise to me.

Plus Condi has nice legs and a sincere smile. When Hillary smiles she looks like she smelled one of Monica Lewinsky's farts.

Stop. It hurts to laugh that hard.

 

[Annie]

I think we will see Rice run, just not as President yet. She has never held elected office. In 2008, perhaps she'll run as VP, perhaps as senator from CA, knocking out Feinstein or Boxer?

 

[Eightball]

Boy, is Rice under-qualified for our the highest office in the land! lol

http://www-hoover.stanford.edu/bios/rice.html
Condoleezza Rice, the Thomas and Barbara Stephenson Senior Fellow at the Hoover Institution, was confirmed as U.S. Secretary of State on January 26.

She is on leave from the Hoover Institution. In December 2000, she was appointed by President George W. Bush to be Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs.

Rice served as a Hoover senior fellow from 1991 until 1993, when she was appointed provost of Stanford University. She held the position of provost for six years, during which time she served as the chief academic and budget officer of the university, before stepping down on July 1, 1999.

Rice first came to Stanford in 1981 as a fellow in the arms control and disarmament program. She is a tenured professor in the university's political science department and was a Hoover Institution national fellow from 1985 until 1986.

Following her initial Hoover Institution affiliation, Rice went to Washington, D.C. to work on nuclear strategic planning at the Joint Chiefs of Staff as part of a Council on Foreign Relations fellowship. She came back to Stanford when the fellowship ended.

Rice returned to Washington in 1989 when she was director of Soviet and East European affairs with the National Security Council. She also was appointed special assistant to the president for national security affairs and senior director for Soviet affairs at the National Security Council under President George Bush. In those roles, she helped bring democratic reforms to Poland, and played a vital role in crafting many of the Bush administration's policies with the former Soviet Union.

Rice's professional activities at Stanford have not been limited to the university. She cofounded the Center for a New Generation, an after-school academy in East Palo Alto, California, and was a corporate board member for Chevron, the Hewlett Foundation, and Charles Schwab.

She has written numerous articles and several books on international relations and foreign affairs, including Germany Unified and Europe Transformed: A Study in Statecraft, with Philip Zelikow (Harvard University Press, 1995).

Rice enrolled at the University of Denver at the age of 15, graduating at 19 with a bachelor's degree in political science (cum laude). She earned a master's degree at the University of Notre Dame and a doctorate degree from the University of Denver's Graduate School of International Studies. Both of her advanced degrees are also in political science.

 

[Annie]

I agree that her achievements are awesome. Maybe I'm wrong, Woodrow Wilson springs to mind as a possibility, but have their been others elected as president that never ran for office?

Belated thought: US Grant?

In either case, perhaps someone knows for sure on these or others, I don't like the outcome of either of these two. Sorry Wilson fans, I'm not too worried about Grant.

 

[5stringJeff]

George Washington never held elected office before the Presidency either...

 

[Annie]

George Washington never held elected office before the Presidency either...

He was in the Virginia delegation though. He played a mighty shrewed game of politics to get named commander too. He was politico through and through.

 

[Gunny]

I agree that her achievements are awesome. Maybe I'm wrong, Woodrow Wilson springs to mind as a possibility, but have their been others elected as president that never ran for office?

Belated thought: US Grant?

In either case, perhaps someone knows for sure on these or others, I don't like the outcome of either of these two. Sorry Wilson fans, I'm not too worried about Grant.

Andrew Johnson.

There's one thing being overlooked in the Condi-Billary thing, IMO ..... unless she's hiding it, Condi appears to have ZERO personality. I'm sure there's no poll on it, but not having a personality seems to have hurt the last four losers.

 

[Annie]

Andrew Johnson.

There's one thing being overlooked in the Condi-Billary thing, IMO ..... unless she's hiding it, Condi appears to have ZERO personality. I'm sure there's no poll on it, but not having a personality seems to have hurt the last four losers.

Too true. She's an intellectual, not so social. I hear she likes to shop, but that's all the rags seem to be able to come up with. Haven't read she's gay, haven't read about her dating. Seems to be all work.