Denver Mayor says police will resist federal officers trying to enforce Federal Immigration law

[Sherlock Holmes]

Relax, nobody is going to deploy the U.S. Military against American Citizens and the Mayor of Denver isn't going to try to send anybody up against ICE agents, it's all posturing.

Trump said he would use the military...

 

[BluesLegend]

Says who?

Ah, Federal law hello.

 

[NetJedi]

Ah, Federal law hello.

Which Federal Law would that be?

 

[justoffal]

Hopefully this is just posturing, but if it isn't, does he realize what precedent he is trying to use?

Denver Mayor Promises Armed Resistance to ICE





So he's going with this idea, except instead of stopping blacks from going to college, he's trying to stop federal agents from doing their job removing illegals.

No....they won't..
.

 

[NetJedi]

Trump said he would use the military...

To fight the people of Denver? When was that?

 

[justoffal]

First Amendment Protections, he can say whatever he wants, it's only when he actually does something does arrest become a prospect.

Meh ..... He is in effect a military commander
Under those circumstances. Normal lock could be set aside jin this case.

 

[NetJedi]

Meh ..... He is in effect a military commander
Under those circumstances. Normal lock could be set aside jin this case.

What military does the Mayor of Denver command?

 

[WEATHER53]

These chesty type are like those who said all the dire things they would do if Trump won . 99% pure posers
. Let them interfere with the taking into custody and they too can ride in the wagon with their Beloved Illegals.

 

[justoffal]

What military does the Mayor of Denver command?

He is the ultimate authority over the local police force. He is well within his rights to command them not to cooperate but way out of bounds insinuating that they will be armed resistance against agents of the federal government.

This immediately shifts gears and becomes a military venue should that happen. Military law is much less forgiving than civilian law.

 

[WEATHER53]

The military will refuse to be deployed and expected to confront American citizens due to the Posse Comitatus act.

They will be deployed upon criminal invaders. If American citizens interfere then other agencies including perhaps military will arrest them

 

[marvin martian]

Hopefully this is just posturing, but if it isn't, does he realize what precedent he is trying to use?

Denver Mayor Promises Armed Resistance to ICE





So he's going with this idea, except instead of stopping blacks from going to college, he's trying to stop federal agents from doing their job removing illegals.

I'd like to hear what the police chief has to say about this.

If he's on board, then it's conspiracy.

 

[Sherlock Holmes]

They will be deployed upon criminal invaders. If American citizens interfere then other agencies including perhaps military will arrest them

Nope, ain't gonna happen, this is not a dictatorship sooner or later Trump is going to have to learn this.

 

[NetJedi]

He is the ultimate authority over the local police force. He is well within his rights to command them not to cooperate but way out of bounds insinuating that they will be armed resistance against agents of the federal government.

This immediately shifts gears and becomes a military venue should that happen. Military law is much less forgiving than civilian law.

A local police force doesn't magically become a military force, no matter what the mayor orders it to do any more than a man magically becomes a woman by putting on a dress. The local police force is bound to faithfully enforce the laws within their jurisdiction, any orders to the contrary are unlawful (no matter who gives them) and would likely (and justifiably) be ignored by any law enforcement agency.

The mayor can say what he wants as long as it's not the incitement of imminent violence (which this was not), if he actually starts issuing orders to his local police force contrary to its jurisdiction then that's another matter but he hasn't done that yet and unless he's gone completely insane never will.

It's all peacock posturing just like all these Blue State Governors false bravado, when push comes to shove, they all know the judicial branch will rule against them and that they own citizens are likely to turn on them if they fail to cooperate in getting the illegal immigration problem under control.

 

[justoffal]

A local police force doesn't magically become a military force, no matter what the mayor orders it to do any more than a man magically becomes a woman by putting on a dress. The local police force is bound to faithfully enforce the laws within their jurisdiction, any orders to the contrary are unlawful (no matter who gives them) and would likely (and justifiably) be ignored by any law enforcement agency.

The mayor can say what he wants as long as it's not the incitement of imminent violence (which this was not), if he actually starts issuing orders to his local police force contrary to its jurisdiction then that's another matter but he hasn't done that yet and unless he's gone completely insane never will.

It's all peacock posturing just like all these Blue State Governors false bravado, when push comes to shove, they all know the judicial branch will rule against them and that they own citizens are likely to turn on them if they fail to cooperate in getting the illegal immigration problem under control.

No they don't become military.
However mentioning organized ARMED resistance invokes military jurisprudence just as it would with any armed militia group. Very stupid to mention arms. Not necessary. I don't agree with his decision but I'm behind him all the way if he chooses to withdraw his police force from cooperation with the federal government. That should be his decision. Armed resistance is not his decision to make.

 

[NetJedi]

No they don't become military.
However mentioning organized ARMED resistance invokes military jurisprudence just as it would with any armed militia group. Very stupid to mention arms. Not necessary. I don't agree with his decision but I'm behind him all the way if he chooses to withdraw his police force from cooperation with the federal government. That should be his decision. Armed resistance is not his decision to make.

Who told you that nonsense? You think you fall under our system of military justice (UCMJ) for what you just wrote? Since you did in fact just "mention organized arm resistance". Private citizens (like for example this Muppet of a mayor) aren't subject to the UCMJ except in the case of a declaration of martial law which, if I'm not mistaken, hasn't happened.

The Mayor of Denver enjoys the full protections of the first amendment just like any other citizen and thus cannot be held liable under the law for his speech unless he violates the few exceptions of it handed down by SCOTUS, of which the only one that might even be remotely applicable in this case is incitement of imminent lawless action, however there's no "imminence" since he's talking about "if this happens at some indeterminate time in the future, then I'll do this" here so it IMHO doesn't apply.

 

[WEATHER53]

Nope, ain't gonna happen, this is not a dictatorship sooner or later Trump is going to have to learn this.

And Trumps not going to ein
Can’t win
His winning is illegal

 

[WEATHER53]

Very recently lib loons were on a big kick that threatening to commit an illegality made you subject to arrest. Now when it suits, they are back into freedoms of expression

 

[d0gbreath]

He is the ultimate authority over the local police force. He is well within his rights to command them not to cooperate but way out of bounds insinuating that they will be armed resistance against agents of the federal government.

This immediately shifts gears and becomes a military venue should that happen. Military law is much less forgiving than civilian law.

Remember last week when you thought that the federal government was bad?

 

[NetJedi]

Remember last week when you thought that the federal government was bad?

I still think the federal government is bad (horrible actually), it's just not nearly as bad as it would have been if the Democrats were going to be in control of it next year.

 

[Independent thinker]

The military will refuse to be deployed and expected to confront American citizens due to the Posse Comitatus act.

LOL. Haven't you forgotten that Trump will declare himself dictator on day one and send the military after these people? Or, he can just use his DOJ to arrest the guy like Biden did with his DOJ.