Dems Telling Us We Have To Pay Extra To Protect Our Troops

[Cold Fusion38]

I would be interested in your response to a thread I started and I REALLY wanted military men to give their take. My take on Afghanistan is we need MORE special forces vs standard troops. We need the kind of troops who can get those cockraoches where they live.....In the mountains.

 

[mudwhistle]

Now the way THIS is worded I can agree WHOLE HEARTEDLY. But WHERE does the money come from? Have you looked into how poorly funded the Coast Guard is? As much as our military needs to rebuild do to the extended war we should also consider the CG a priority. If you look into it I think you will be TERIFIED by the state of our CG and the state of our ports......Mark my words if the terrorists choose to bring the battle back to us they would not have a hard time doing so. They are the scum of the Earth but do NOT underestimate how driven, intelligent, and adaptable they are. The more we squeeze our defenses the more they will find the weak spots in our defenses. Our border with Canada is the LONGEST undefended border in the WORLD. We have THOUSANDS of miles of coast line. We have a Southern border that is a joke, if Coyotes can get PEOPLE across the border then they can get a terrorist across.



We are SOOOOOOOO DAMN vulnerable it is CRIMINAL(on both sides of the aisle).

You and I seem to be in agreement about several things....but going about doing what it takes to get the job done is where we differ.

Any good soldier knows the best way to fight a war is as far away from the homefront as possible...that way you can keep the effects of the war out of the minds of your country's population.

We chose the battlefield that suited us and we almost destroyed Al Qaeda in the process.

Now, we're fighting on their home turf. The same turf they used to defeat the Russians.

Not very bright if you ask me.

Fighting in the moutains of Afghanistan is pure madness. All we have to do is look at what they did to the Soviets. Don't get me wrong we are better and have equip the Sovs could only DREAM of but in the end I don't think it will be enough.

Your problem with US choosing the battlefield is that the terrorists are JUST if not MORE able than us to fight on multiple fronts. You don't think the reason we haven't been attacked since 9/11 has anything to do with Iraq/Afghanistan do you? If so then how would you explain the time between WTC I attack and WTC II attack? You know as well as I that the elements we are fighting don't attack every day they bide their time find their target research it's weaknesses and THEN attack........They are SCUM but we should NEVER underestimate them.

True....true....notice the simple fact that no other attacks succeeded during the Bush years after 9/11....but for some strange reason political correctness allowed a major to get promoted months before he decided to waste a bunch of our kids at Ft Hood....even though several people raised red-flags about him.

I just wonder if he would have been able during the Bush years to get away with it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he was able to kill so many while Obama was president. Obama policies were in place when it happened. I think he should share some of the blame. Don't you think? After all, Bubba seemed to be more of a threat to the Obama White House then any Muhammed or Hasan. That would be profiling after all in this new world of political correctness in the war on terror....whoops....Overseas Contingency Operation.

 

[mudwhistle]

I would be interested in your response to a thread I started and I REALLY wanted military men to give their take. My take on Afghanistan is we need MORE special forces vs standard troops. We need the kind of troops who can get those cockraoches where they live.....In the mountains.

Funny, but nobody in the media is asking them.

Special Forces have limitations.

My suggestion is carpet-bombing them in their caves.

Do it for a few months and they'll be totally bonkers.

Sending in Special Forces will only get people killed. Why do I say this? Because the UDT Seals have been fighting that war for years and not getting anywhere.

 

[Zona]

I say, everyone who got a Tax cut from Bush....and you know who you are...should pay back America and fund this war since you want it to go on indefinitely.

Thank you very much.

Strange that you would say that.

If you paid taxes of any kind the last 9 years you got a tax-cut or a rebate.

So why don't you start with yourself.

The Treasury will take checks.

I mean on the scale of when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy during Iraq...those guys. We have to start with them.

Since Bush gave those cuts and pretty much helped destroy our economy....they should give some back and fund the war they want us to fight forever.

 

[mudwhistle]

I say, everyone who got a Tax cut from Bush....and you know who you are...should pay back America and fund this war since you want it to go on indefinitely.

Thank you very much.

Strange that you would say that.

If you paid taxes of any kind the last 9 years you got a tax-cut or a rebate.

So why don't you start with yourself.

The Treasury will take checks.

I mean on the scale of when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy during Iraq...those guys. We have to start with them.

Since Bush gave those cuts and pretty much helped destroy our economy....they should give some back and fund the war they want us to fight forever.

That's funny.

The people responsible for destroying the economy....Barney Frank...Chris Dodd....Nancy Pelosi.....Harry Reid....they should be the first to pay.

Bush doesn't spend the money nor does he make up the rules on banks that set all of this in motion back in Jan. of 07'.

 

[Zona]

Strange that you would say that.

If you paid taxes of any kind the last 9 years you got a tax-cut or a rebate.

So why don't you start with yourself.

The Treasury will take checks.

I mean on the scale of when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy during Iraq...those guys. We have to start with them.

Since Bush gave those cuts and pretty much helped destroy our economy....they should give some back and fund the war they want us to fight forever.

That's funny.

The people responsible for destroying the economy....Barney Frank...Chris Dodd....Nancy Pelosi.....Harry Reid....they should be the first to pay.

Bush doesn't spend the money nor does he make up the rules on banks that set all of this in motion back in Jan. of 07'.

So bush had nothing to do with the tax cuts HE gave to the wealthy. You know, the cuts that cost us billions? THOSE CUTS....

 

[Cold Fusion38]

You and I seem to be in agreement about several things....but going about doing what it takes to get the job done is where we differ.

Any good soldier knows the best way to fight a war is as far away from the homefront as possible...that way you can keep the effects of the war out of the minds of your country's population.

We chose the battlefield that suited us and we almost destroyed Al Qaeda in the process.

Now, we're fighting on their home turf. The same turf they used to defeat the Russians.

Not very bright if you ask me.

Fighting in the moutains of Afghanistan is pure madness. All we have to do is look at what they did to the Soviets. Don't get me wrong we are better and have equip the Sovs could only DREAM of but in the end I don't think it will be enough.

Your problem with US choosing the battlefield is that the terrorists are JUST if not MORE able than us to fight on multiple fronts. You don't think the reason we haven't been attacked since 9/11 has anything to do with Iraq/Afghanistan do you? If so then how would you explain the time between WTC I attack and WTC II attack? You know as well as I that the elements we are fighting don't attack every day they bide their time find their target research it's weaknesses and THEN attack........They are SCUM but we should NEVER underestimate them.

True....true....notice the simple fact that no other attacks succeeded during the Bush years after 9/11....but for some strange reason political correctness allowed a major to get promoted months before he decided to waste a bunch of our kids at Ft Hood....even though several people raised red-flags about him.

I just wonder if he would have been able during the Bush years to get away with it. I don't think it's a coincidence that he was able to kill so many while Obama was president. Obama policies were in place when it happened. I think he should share some of the blame. Don't you think? After all, Bubba seemed to be more of a threat to the Obama White House then any Muhammed or Hasan. That would be profiling after all in this new world of political correctness in the war on terror....whoops....Overseas Contingency Operation.

This is a VERY odd connection. I don't think it had ANYTHING to do with Obama but if you want to make a case that someone f'ed up then I would say that military members with his speciality are at such short supply and are DESPERATELY needed to treat the MASSIVE # coming home who need psycohlogical treatment. Perhaps THAT is why he was overlooked I don't know but try to stay real and not try to plant this on Obama.


As much as I, at times, LOATHED Bush I NEVER thought he was trying to bring our country down the way Beck and Libaugh accuse Obama of doing. I beleive that Obama LOVES his country just like you, I, and virtually EVERYBODY else and is doing what he feels is RIGHT. Whether like Iraq was or will end up being the right decision (I don't think so) it was what Bush THOUGHT was right. I think he had some VERY hawkish advisors and I think he FAILED to listen to his MILITARY advisors but I think he did what he felt was right.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

I don't think carpet bombing will drive them out of those caves they are GREAT bomb shelters.

 

[Meister]

I don't think carpet bombing will drive them out of those caves they are GREAT bomb shelters.

Bunker Buster?

 

[rdean]

Party of fools vs. the Party of the Foolish.

Oh and......remember.......we shouldn't be telling these people how to run their lives.

That's something Obama wants to do to us, but I think we shouldn't be doing it to the Iraqis.

Good one. Then why did we "flatten their country"?

We tell gays how to live.

Like I said, "the Party of fools".

I know alot of people that have been in Iraq. We didn't flatten it.

We're the only country that it pays to pick a fight with because once we beat your ass into a surrender we rebuild your country at our own expense.

We aren't telling gays how to live....but it seems that they feel we have to change our lives to accommodate them. That's what same-sex marriage means. They already have the same legal rights as hetero couples.....but somehow they've figured out an angle to cause a point of contention. I think it's intentional....just to cause trouble....and the Democrat latched onto the issue without even saying a word. Obama himself is against same-sex marriage. Yet you probably think he's all for it.

You're probably one of those that thinks Obama is trying to help the poor...when in fact he's just trying to help his financial supporters. Fleecing the Treasury for every cent he can and sending it out of the country.

How's it feel to be a member of the party of the foolish.

Oh man, I pity you. Seriously, you're delusional.

Iraq "picked" a fight with us? Just that one statement qualifies you for the "boob of the year" award. You seem to be saying that countries will attack the US in the hopes of after being blasted by us we "rebuild". Did you proof read first? Maybe say it out loud so it doesn't sound completely retarded?

As far as the gays, they are the sons and daughters of American families who have done nothing wrong, except fall in love with the "wrong" person. No straight marriage has ever ended because of some gay people they don't know. Ironic is the fact of the 50% divorce rate and those that scream the loudest about the "sanctity" of marriage get married three or four times. I guess "sanctity" must be fun. We know there is at least a thousand laws that protect the married. Someone on this site even posted them ALL once.

And Obama sent money OUT of the country? You get "boob" award number two. Bush was the first President in American history who started two wars and cut taxes for the rich at the same time.

Check this out:

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian

The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.
The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

Yea, that was three hundred and sixty three tons of hundred dollar bills that Bush and the Republicans just tossed out the window.

And that was only one time out of many.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet that you even think that women are better off now and Christians are free to practice their religion, like they were since before Muslims even moved into Iraq.

You absolutely have to be a Republican. Democrats just aren't normally that dumb.

 

[mudwhistle]

I mean on the scale of when Bush gave tax cuts to the wealthy during Iraq...those guys. We have to start with them.

Since Bush gave those cuts and pretty much helped destroy our economy....they should give some back and fund the war they want us to fight forever.

That's funny.

The people responsible for destroying the economy....Barney Frank...Chris Dodd....Nancy Pelosi.....Harry Reid....they should be the first to pay.

Bush doesn't spend the money nor does he make up the rules on banks that set all of this in motion back in Jan. of 07'.

So bush had nothing to do with the tax cuts HE gave to the wealthy. You know, the cuts that cost us billions? THOSE CUTS....

Economics 101 is that tax incentives spur the economy. Obama has been floating the idea of giving tax incentives to businesses. This is another way of giving tax-cuts to the wealthy. It all depends on how you want to describe it.

Tax cuts do not cost us anything because they allow investors and consumers to keep more of their own money thus they spend more. That means they feel free to buy those high dollar items they've been putting off. Or hire more workers because they're feeling good about the future. And what happens when more people are working? That's right....more people are paying taxes.

The job losses we've experienced in the last year are a direct result of Obama policies...even the threat of which causes fear in the private sector. Enough to double unemployment, decreased productivity, and lower consumption. All of which has resulted in a recession.

People are worried about the future. An administration that tells you that your family has to learn to expect less in the future tends to slow the transfer of cash in any economy. And because of that....the lack of exchanging money...less taxes are paid in the process. Less profit means less revenue.

Getting even with the rich only assures that the Middle-class ends up paying more taxes eventually to make up for the loss in revenue. Raising taxes during a recession is a serious mistake. Obama is learning this....personally his actions up until now makes me think he's screwing up the economy on purpose....you can't blame me for thinking this after hearing over a year of rhetoric that would give any smart business owner the impression the government is out to ruin them.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's difficult for a president that was raised on socialist and communist principles to run a capitalist economy. All of his beliefs go against the grain in the US. The Democrats aren't Liberals in the pure sense. Too many of them are progressives or communists. They aren't the friend to the little guy but instead are the ones keeping them from realizing their dreams.

Some of the czars Obama has chosen believe in tweaking regulations forcing up costs of goods and services thus reducing consumption. This alone will cause a recession. Some of the nut-cases Obama has working for him believe that mankind is a disease that needs to be eradicated from the Earth. Mankind is a plague on this planet according to some of them. Animals need lawyers to protect themselves from man's abuse and habit of polluting their surroundings.

Some of them even think that getting rid of excess populations is the key to any great society. The old and the sick need not bother us with their presence. This is a communist belief from way back. Get rid of the generations that preceded the new order. Raise our kids to be mindless zombies while they're cutting off the elderly who remember when this country was great.

As these freaks continue to surface folks like Glenn Beck shine a light on them and they're soon ushered out of the White House and hidden away down the street at the Center for American Progress. Van Jones was just one of them.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Good one. Then why did we "flatten their country"?

We tell gays how to live.

Like I said, "the Party of fools".

I know alot of people that have been in Iraq. We didn't flatten it.

We're the only country that it pays to pick a fight with because once we beat your ass into a surrender we rebuild your country at our own expense.

We aren't telling gays how to live....but it seems that they feel we have to change our lives to accommodate them. That's what same-sex marriage means. They already have the same legal rights as hetero couples.....but somehow they've figured out an angle to cause a point of contention. I think it's intentional....just to cause trouble....and the Democrat latched onto the issue without even saying a word. Obama himself is against same-sex marriage. Yet you probably think he's all for it.

You're probably one of those that thinks Obama is trying to help the poor...when in fact he's just trying to help his financial supporters. Fleecing the Treasury for every cent he can and sending it out of the country.

How's it feel to be a member of the party of the foolish.

Oh man, I pity you. Seriously, you're delusional.

Iraq "picked" a fight with us? Just that one statement qualifies you for the "boob of the year" award. You seem to be saying that countries will attack the US in the hopes of after being blasted by us we "rebuild". Did you proof read first? Maybe say it out loud so it doesn't sound completely retarded?

As far as the gays, they are the sons and daughters of American families who have done nothing wrong, except fall in love with the "wrong" person. No straight marriage has ever ended because of some gay people they don't know. Ironic is the fact of the 50% divorce rate and those that scream the loudest about the "sanctity" of marriage get married three or four times. I guess "sanctity" must be fun. We know there is at least a thousand laws that protect the married. Someone on this site even posted them ALL once.

And Obama sent money OUT of the country? You get "boob" award number two. Bush was the first President in American history who started two wars and cut taxes for the rich at the same time.

Check this out:

How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish | World news | The Guardian

The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.
The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

Yea, that was three hundred and sixty three tons of hundred dollar bills that Bush and the Republicans just tossed out the window.

And that was only one time out of many.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and bet that you even think that women are better off now and Christians are free to practice their religion, like they were since before Muslims even moved into Iraq.

You absolutely have to be a Republican. Democrats just aren't normally that dumb.

If your marriage is so weak that gays being able to LEGALLY say they are married threatens it then get divorced now because it WON'T last the test of time.......Personally though I don't think the gov't has ANY business getting involved in marriage. Give civil unions to EVERYONE and if you can find a priest to "Marry" you then you are "Married."


As for the $12 BILLION "lost" in Iraq I see shades of Iran/Contra and it scares me. Not ONLY was $12 BLLION "lost" but so were about a 100,000 small arms (ak-47s and handguns). I see someone's wet dream of a "shadow army".

Once you figure in all the "REBUILDING" projects for KBR that were "cost plus" and ended up being so poorly built that they were WORTHLESS and you understand just how much money was "LOST" in Iraq.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

That's funny.

The people responsible for destroying the economy....Barney Frank...Chris Dodd....Nancy Pelosi.....Harry Reid....they should be the first to pay.

Bush doesn't spend the money nor does he make up the rules on banks that set all of this in motion back in Jan. of 07'.

So bush had nothing to do with the tax cuts HE gave to the wealthy. You know, the cuts that cost us billions? THOSE CUTS....

Economics 101 is that tax incentives spur the economy. Obama has been floating the idea of giving tax incentives to businesses. This is another way of giving tax-cuts to the wealthy. It all depends on how you want to describe it.

Tax cuts do not cost us anything because they allow investors and consumers to keep more of their own money thus they spend more. That means they feel free to buy those high dollar items they've been putting off. Or hire more workers because they're feeling good about the future. And what happens when more people are working? That's right....more people are paying taxes.

The job losses we've experienced in the last year are a direct result of Obama policies...even the threat of which causes fear in the private sector. Enough to double unemployment, decreased productivity, and lower consumption. All of which has resulted in a recession.

People are worried about the future. An administration that tells you that your family has to learn to expect less in the future tends to slow the transfer of cash in any economy. And because of that....the lack of exchanging money...less taxes are paid in the process. Less profit means less revenue.

Getting even with the rich only assures that the Middle-class ends up paying more taxes eventually to make up for the loss in revenue. Raising taxes during a recession is a serious mistake. Obama is learning this....personally his actions up until now makes me think he's screwing up the economy on purpose....you can't blame me for thinking this after hearing over a year of rhetoric that would give any smart business owner the impression the government is out to ruin them.

Tell me what does Econ 101 tell you about LOSING our manufacturing base since the 80's when Reagan gave tax breaks based on "Trickle Down Economics"? Those ULTRA RICH and the CORPS made MILLIONS of jobs........OVERSEAS!!! Then they moved their corporate HQs to the Cayman Islands (little more than a P.O. box) to SCREW the US out of the taxes they SHOULD pay.

 

[mudwhistle]

So bush had nothing to do with the tax cuts HE gave to the wealthy. You know, the cuts that cost us billions? THOSE CUTS....

Economics 101 is that tax incentives spur the economy. Obama has been floating the idea of giving tax incentives to businesses. This is another way of giving tax-cuts to the wealthy. It all depends on how you want to describe it.

Tax cuts do not cost us anything because they allow investors and consumers to keep more of their own money thus they spend more. That means they feel free to buy those high dollar items they've been putting off. Or hire more workers because they're feeling good about the future. And what happens when more people are working? That's right....more people are paying taxes.

The job losses we've experienced in the last year are a direct result of Obama policies...even the threat of which causes fear in the private sector. Enough to double unemployment, decreased productivity, and lower consumption. All of which has resulted in a recession.

People are worried about the future. An administration that tells you that your family has to learn to expect less in the future tends to slow the transfer of cash in any economy. And because of that....the lack of exchanging money...less taxes are paid in the process. Less profit means less revenue.

Getting even with the rich only assures that the Middle-class ends up paying more taxes eventually to make up for the loss in revenue. Raising taxes during a recession is a serious mistake. Obama is learning this....personally his actions up until now makes me think he's screwing up the economy on purpose....you can't blame me for thinking this after hearing over a year of rhetoric that would give any smart business owner the impression the government is out to ruin them.

Tell me what does Econ 101 tell you about LOSING our manufacturing base since the 80's when Reagan gave tax breaks based on "Trickle Down Economics"? Those ULTRA RICH and the CORPS made MILLIONS of jobs........OVERSEAS!!! Then they moved their corporate HQs to the Cayman Islands (little more than a P.O. box) to SCREW the US out of the taxes they SHOULD pay.

Let's assume you're correct....that all of those jobs went overseas during the Reagan years.

What was the primary cause of that? I'll tell you....government regulations....Capital Gains taxes....a high corperate tax rate [second highest in the world]....rising wages because of unions.....even higher health care requirements in those union jobs.

Seems everything the Dems push for....higher minimum-wage....more benefits for workers...costing the employer millions in benefits and workman's comp......jobs just started leaving because lower wage workers in other countries were becoming available.

No company can compete in the US market if they don't take advantage of what's out there and the trends were to ship manufacturing overseas. It continued into the Clinton years and the early part of the Bush years.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

It's difficult for a president that was raised on socialist and communist principles to run a capitalist economy. All of his beliefs go against the grain in the US. The Democrats aren't Liberals in the pure sense. Too many of them are progressives or communists. They aren't the friend to the little guy but instead are the ones keeping them from realizing their dreams.

Some of the czars Obama has chosen believe in tweaking regulations forcing up costs of goods and services thus reducing consumption. This alone will cause a recession. Some of the nut-cases Obama has working for him believe that mankind is a disease that needs to be eradicated from the Earth. Mankind is a plague on this planet according to some of them. Animals need lawyers to protect themselves from man's abuse and habit of polluting their surroundings.

Some of them even think that getting rid of excess populations is the key to any great society. The old and the sick need not bother us with their presence. This is a communist belief from way back. Get rid of the generations that preceded the new order. Raise our kids to be mindless zombies while they're cutting off the elderly who remember when this country was great.

As these freaks continue to surface folks like Glenn Beck shine a light on them and they're soon ushered out of the White House and hidden away down the street at the Center for American Progress. Van Jones was just one of them.

As far as population control Mother Nature will ALWAYS equalize the equation. The ability to have airline stops in three countries in one day will ENSURE that when (not if) the next major pandemic occures it will be global in days. Will it have a 100% mortality rate......Not likely but it could have a 70-90% mortality rate. We are the ONLY species on Earth that does so much damage to our surroundings. We Overpopulate, we Pollute, we Overhunt, and we wage war against out own species. You have to admit that we are becoming not MORE resistant to a Pandemic we are becoming LESS resistent. We OVERuse antibiotics we play Russian Roulette with our tampering with Viruses and diseases and it is only a matter of time whether man made or from nature that we are faced with some SERIOUS shit.

 

[mudwhistle]

It's difficult for a president that was raised on socialist and communist principles to run a capitalist economy. All of his beliefs go against the grain in the US. The Democrats aren't Liberals in the pure sense. Too many of them are progressives or communists. They aren't the friend to the little guy but instead are the ones keeping them from realizing their dreams.

Some of the czars Obama has chosen believe in tweaking regulations forcing up costs of goods and services thus reducing consumption. This alone will cause a recession. Some of the nut-cases Obama has working for him believe that mankind is a disease that needs to be eradicated from the Earth. Mankind is a plague on this planet according to some of them. Animals need lawyers to protect themselves from man's abuse and habit of polluting their surroundings.

Some of them even think that getting rid of excess populations is the key to any great society. The old and the sick need not bother us with their presence. This is a communist belief from way back. Get rid of the generations that preceded the new order. Raise our kids to be mindless zombies while they're cutting off the elderly who remember when this country was great.

As these freaks continue to surface folks like Glenn Beck shine a light on them and they're soon ushered out of the White House and hidden away down the street at the Center for American Progress. Van Jones was just one of them.

As far as population control Mother Nature will ALWAYS equalize the equation. The ability to have airline stops in three countries in one day will ENSURE that when (not if) the next major pandemic occures it will be global in days. Will it have a 100% mortality rate......Not likely but it could have a 70-90% mortality rate. We are the ONLY species on Earth that does so much damage to our surroundings. We Overpopulate, we Pollute, we Overhunt, and we wage war against out own species. You have to admit that we are becoming not MORE resistant to a Pandemic we are becoming LESS resistent. We OVERuse antibiotics we play Russian Roulette with our tampering with Viruses and diseases and it is only a matter of time whether man made or from nature that we are faced with some SERIOUS shit.

It's a wonder you can sleep at night thinking about all of this.

If animals with their habit of killing each other were to replace us I don't think things would be any better...purhaps worse.

At least some of us take the time to clean up after ourselves and have learned how to conserve.

Problem is folks like Obama and Al Gore waste our resources more then anyone yet they have the nerve to tell us to cut back.

I say they can stick it up their asses. I don't need some prick from Harvard to tell me how important the environment is...having grown up in the mountains of Montana and being a free-lance herbalist as well. I don't hunt because I know I can go to a store and get what I need every day or grow it myself. However game is much more plentiful then it was when I did in my youth because of an excellent government sponsored nationwide hunting program that has been in place since the 70s.

I recycle and I try to conserve....much more then those assholes in Copenhagen are today.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

Hey I will give a "THMBS UP" to Bush's Crawford ranch......Pretty cool.

 

[Cold Fusion38]

O.K. Mud I would like you to just CONSIDER this proposal.....Any new homes in Arizona must have solar panels installed during construction. Just CONSIDER for a moment how much energy that could save.....During the HOTTEST time of day when there is the GREATEST draw on the power grid these solar panels would create the MOST power.....Even if it was just enough to run the AC so you can come home to a house that isn't 110 degrees it would save MASSIVE amounts of power. Now let's throw in Nevada....I think they get a lot of sun.... Maybe parts of CA......Texas......FL......How MUCH power would that save?


Now I am SURE you don't like the idea of mandates but we MUST start SOMEWHERE!!!

 

[Cold Fusion38]

One other thing Mud in my Geology class there was a disturbing little post he showed us......How many years of copper do you think the world has?