Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

[Correll]

Ukraine needs security guarantees, period.

Ukraine's needs are europe's concern now, not ours.

Have fun storming the castle.

 

[Correll]

You couldn't care less about the war or Ukrainians. This is a russian talking point and you're a useful idiot, much like the rest of maga who also repeats the same talking point.

Sayhing "russian talking point" is meaningless noise.

It is the pro-war faction that seems to not care about ukrainian lives.

 

[krichton]

Sayhing "russian talking point" is meaningless noise.

It is the pro-war faction that seems to not care about ukrainian lives.

And it's the pro Trump/Russia faction that continues to champion appeasement to our enemies like Putin.

 

[AZrailwhale]

EU taking the helm and I think they are preparing for the US NATO exit.

Press statement by President von der Leyen on the defence package

This set of proposals focuses on how to use all of the financial levers at our disposal – in order to help Member States to quickly and significantly increase expenditures in defence capabilities. Urgently now but also over a longer time over this decade. There are five parts to this.

ec.europa.eu

Good. We don’t need NATO for our security, but we provide something like seventy percent of its funding and almost all of its combat power. Let the Europeans build their own security force and pay for it themselves.

 

[AZrailwhale]

@Delldude

It's up to Trump to give guarantees.

Why?

 

[krichton]

Good. We don’t need NATO for our security, but we provide something like seventy percent of its funding and almost all of its combat power. Let the Europeans build their own security force and pay for it themselves.

This is ecstatic news to Putin.

 

[sparky]

In 3 years of throwing everything they have at the Ukraine, this is the current area occupied by Russia. At the cost of a million casualties, 10,000 tanks, 20,000APCs and a complete depletion of its artillery rounds to the point the Russians are relying on 60-year old North Korean rounds
Its inability to advance on a country on its own border makes the argument that Russia is any threat to an air-dominent and nuclear-armed NATO (nevermind the US as Zelensky)

To eject Russia from its entrenched positions will take one of the following to occur:
1. A ground assault that will kill several hundred thousand more Ukranians combined with air assets that only the West can provide, pushing Russia to the point where the use of nuclear weapons becomes a very real option.
2. A negotiated settlement involving a combination of massive investment in Ukraine and the choice of deepening or loosening of embargos on Russia depending on their actions
For those who cry “Munich conference appeasement” may I remind you that Hitler did not have nuclear missiles.
Putin does, that is a reality that must be factored into decision making.
What happened yesterday was a wake-up call to those who preach endless war and endless US funding by an American President who understands the folly of this stalemate.
Another spring offensive and another 300 billion, from anyone, won’t eject Putin. And escalation risks nuclear war.
These are hard realities we must face as a nation, as an alliance and as a world.
Zelensky walked away from a half a trillion dollar investment in his country and a peace that stops the slaughter of his citizens when he knows full well these realities.
Ask yourself why and ask yourself who is actually the unreasonable, irrational, unhinged leader in this situation.
It is not a difficult question to answer.









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option #2 seems reasonable.....~S~

 

[sparky]

Ukraine needs security guarantees, period.

why should they come from the USofA John? ~S~

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Z doesn't get to dictate terms. He came begging to us.

Watch!

 

[Correll]

And it's the pro Trump/Russia faction that continues to champion appeasement to our enemies like Putin.

Well, thanks for not denying that your side doesn't care about ukrainian lives.

but, I havea to point out, that not all negotiated peaces, are "appeasement".

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

krichton is right, and the QNuts hate Ukraine.

 

[Failzero]

krichton is right, and the QNuts hate Ukraine.

No we hate ( Marxists ) ( Islamists ) ( Gang Bangers ) ( Criminals ) ( Elitists ) ( Leftist Useful Isiot Street Rabble ) …

 

[daveman]

Trump was the one who invited him. Zelensky wasn't the one looking to strike some deal for his countries minerals.

It's his only chance for peace. But the US is done sending him billions of dollars.

 

[daveman]

You couldn't care less about the war or Ukrainians. This is a russian talking point and you're a useful idiot, much like the rest of maga who also repeats the same talking point.

I don't accept moral judgements from war mongers. You don't care how many people are killed. You have no morals.

 

[daveman]

Russian talking point #2. Thanks for the confirmation.

You've been lied to, and you lack the wit to question the lies.

 

[daveman]

Watch!

Have you checked into enlisting yet? Ukraine needs warm bodies.

Stop insisting other people bleed for your desires.

 

[struth]

It's up to Trump to give guarantees.

Like what?

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

It's his only chance for peace. But the US is done sending him billions of dollars.

You want minerals, peace, and the Noble Prize? Square up, spanky.

 

[frigidweirdo]

"Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal


A common criticism of Volodymyr Zelensky’s disastrous Friday performance in the Oval Office is that he failed to read the room.

Actually, the Ukrainian president did read a room — but it was the wrong room.

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn.).


“Just finished a meeting with President Zelensky here in Washington. He confirmed that the Ukrainian people will not support a fake peace agreement where Putin gets everything he wants and there are no security arrangements for Ukraine,” Murphy’s office posted on X at 11:15 a.m. Friday.

He attached a picture of Zelensky at a conference table, with Murphy seated on the opposite side."

Disaster in the Oval Office: Dems lead Zelensky, Ukraine off a cliff with pressure to reject mineral deal

Before meeting Trump, Zelensky met with anti-Trump Democrats who advised him to reject the terms of the mineral deal the president was offering, according to Sen. Chris Murphy (D-Conn).

nypost.com

Looks like the Democrats are interfering with US foreign policy. Trump should make Z-Man beg for a second chance.

And maybe the EU will step up, get the mining rights and destroy Russia and find the US has turned into a dictatorship.

 

[struth]

And maybe the EU will step up, get the mining rights and destroy Russia and find the US has turned into a dictatorship.

Haha and maybe unicorns will fly out of Al Green’s ass

Not gonna happen