Dems didn't win the House and Senate - Repubs LOST them

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Yeah, I know, TV stations are saying there are two Senate seats still up for grabs. But have they looked at their own totals? 100% of the precincts reporting, all votes counted, and Dems have more votes than Repubs for both seats. What part of GAME OVER don't the TV stations understand?

Dems didn't win by having better ideas than the Republicans. They didn't have any ideas worth talking about, in fact - nothing but the same tired ploys: raising taxes, expanding government restrictions and regulations, more socialism, and abandoning our allies in Iraq. Most of those "ideas" have been tried in this country many times, and have usually been soundly defeated... until now. And they were no more viable for this election, than they were in any other for the past 12 years.

And it's silly to complain that a biased media caused the losses. Hell, the media has been this biased in EVERY election in living memory, but Republicans usually won. In fact, for this election, the recent emergence of comparatively neutral outlets such as the Intenet and Fox News, made the overall total of media liberal bias slightly LESS than it has been in the past... though not much. The media didn't make the difference here. Republicans losing their base, mostly by drifting away from conservatism and small government, made the difference.

Sure, Republicans had their problems and scandals, which didn't help. But the main causes of their electoral loss, were things like a new (unconstitutional) perscription drug entitlement, wishy-washiness in reining in the doomed (unconstitutional) Social Security program, passage of (unconstitutional) political campaign censorship, and other attempts to do modern-liberal things. If the Congress had voted on the conservative side (that is, obeying the Constitution) of these issues, enough additional people would have voted for them that they'd still have majorities in both houses of Congress, despite the ongoing war and resulting unpopularity generated by the media. Again, neither the media nor the Democrats caused Repubs to lose both houses. The Republicans caused it themselves, and have no one to blame but themselves.

The last three electoral landslides in recent history, were all caused directly by Republicans backing conservative ideas and not being afraid to say so: In 1994, 1984, and 1980. Hillarycare was voted down in a huff, and Republicans led by Newt Gingrich promised to bring conservative issues up for a vote in the House after yeaars of being bottled up in committee by Democrat majorities. As a result, Democrats were thrown out of office in numbers never seen before (or since), and a LARGE Republican majority was placed in both houses by the voters. Ronald Reagan promised the same four things he had been pushing for thirty years previous: Cut taxe rates, balance the budget, build up our military, and defeat the Soviet Union. He was elected in landslides, not once but twice, and even delivered on three of his four promises, defeated oonly the fourth only by a Democrat majority in the House.

America is a fundamentally conservative country. Very few Americans would steal from their neighbors to help a homeless guy or sick person or retiree. They would help out of their own pocket and ASK others to help. Very few would hand out free condoms to the girls in their neighborhoods. And very few would force their neighbors to pay their workers more than the workers were willing to accept - fundamental actions of modern liberals. They might try to talk their neighbors into doing some things, but respect their decisions in most actions short of outright fraud or murder - a conservative approach. Yet, oddly, they sometimes vote for politicians who promise to force those very things upon those same neighbors, plus others.

Republicans have done some good things in the last several years - cutting tax rates, confirming law-abiding judges, and successfully defending the nation after a sucker punch. That may have been enough to keep part of their voter base loyal. But they have also been doing more and more liberal things. And yesterday, some of the Americans who normally vote conservative, dumped some of the Republicans who have been drifting away from conservatism. Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for this.

Hopefully Republicans will take the hint. When they get together and push lower tax rates, lower Federal spending, fewer restrictions, and smaller government, they win by landslides. When they start promising (and delivering) unconstitutional programs and entitlements, spend money like drunken sailors on such programs, and imposing unconstitutional restrictions, they barely win by the skin of their teeth... and, as we just saw, they also lose.

Republicans have some thinking to do, about just what their party should be supporting... and why people have voted for them, when they did. And they'd better do it soon. Bush's tax cuts start expiring in 2010. They've got four years to get back on track, or they can kiss them goodbye... along with any claim they may have to being a party worthy of a conservative electorate's support.
 

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This is exactly why i have hope. Because they didnt win, we lost it.

I just hope they dont do too much damage.
 
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Republicans have to tell themselves a lot of things today... and they'd better be the truth.

As I pointed out, when they push conservatism, they historically win, and by large margins. No matter what their opponents do, as long as the opponents DON'T push conservatism.

When Repubs start pushing liberal things, historically they barely hang on by the skin of their teeth... or they lose, as they did yesterday.

These are not opinions, but demonstrated facts.

The Republicans had better take the hint. If they don't, they'll have no one but themselves to blame.
 

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Whatever you have to tell yourself.
Surely you don't think the Dems actually "won" this. The election was anti-republican because of Iraq. The dems offered nothing. No plans. No agenda. No policies. Nothing. Where's the dems "contract with America"? This was an anti vote not a pro one. If the dems think they won and go lefty they will be tossed out in '08 big time.
 

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How about you start with "The current Republican leadership is only selling bullshit and we've been buying it in bulk".

6 years of unrestrained power and what have they to show for it?

Heres one thing.

Exit polls: Scandals hurt GOP more than war
In exit polls, 3 of 4 people said corruption was key to their vote


WASHINGTON - The Iraq war and congressional scandals hurt Republican candidates in the midterm elections, as the GOP lost the advantage on their central issue of terrorism, exit polls found.

Three-fourths of voters said corruption and scandal were important to their votes, and they were more likely to vote for Democratic candidates for the House. Iraq was important for just two-thirds, and they also leaned toward supporting Democrats.

Voters who said terrorism was an important issue split their support between the two parties.

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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15614139/
 

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If it helps you sleep at night to think the way you do, acorn, go right on.
 

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Surely you don't think the Dems actually "won" this. The election was anti-republican because of Iraq. The dems offered nothing. No plans. No agenda. No policies. Nothing. Where's the dems "contract with America"? This was an anti vote not a pro one. If the dems think they won and go lefty they will be tossed out in '08 big time.
You can easily find answers to all your questions with some simple Googling. You just have to be willing to listen.
 
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You can easily find answers to all your questions with some simple Googling.
In other words, redhots can't find the answers either, so he tells you to quit bothering him and go off on your own wild-goose chase instead.

:crutch:
 

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In other words, redhots can't find the answers either, so he tells you to quit bothering him and go off on your own wild-goose chase instead.

:crutch:
No, Redhots has learned from experience to not waste his time with people who frame the situation as some of you have.

If you were really interested in knowing whats what you would take 5 minutes out of your day and look, but you aren't. Which is why I don't bother with some people.

Here's an easy one though as a sign of good faith; even though I'm sure you've had to of heard of it already, but its just more fun to lash out like you do right?

Where's the dems "contract with America"?
Google = pelosi+100+hours. Search either Web or News.

Oh hell how about another one thats more regional!

Actualy I think it deserves its own thread:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/forums/showthread.php?p=501985#post501985
 

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Surely you don't think the Dems actually "won" this. The election was anti-republican because of Iraq. The dems offered nothing. No plans. No agenda. No policies. Nothing. Where's the dems "contract with America"? This was an anti vote not a pro one. If the dems think they won and go lefty they will be tossed out in '08 big time.
Yeah, I'm sure that's it. The democrats won, but they didn't actually "win" this election. hahaha. You're a funny person.
 

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Yeah, I'm sure that's it. The democrats won, but they didn't actually "win" this election. hahaha. You're a funny person.
Debate the point or shut the hell up....

You think dems winning is due to any agenda or plan point one out. Otherwise recognize the facts...

Or keep smokin' your sig pic...
 

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Personally, I just think you are a sore loser..but thats ok..thats what I expected...I think that the democrats know they have a real chance here because people are sick of the IRAQ war, the fact that there is no plan in place and never was besides go in and take out Saddam. People are tired of being lied to and they are tired of the religous wack job right wing congress that we had before. Have fun sucking on this one the next couple of years..I sure will...

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Yeah, I know, TV stations are saying there are two Senate seats still up for grabs. But have they looked at their own totals? 100% of the precincts reporting, all votes counted, and Dems have more votes than Repubs for both seats. What part of GAME OVER don't the TV stations understand?

Dems didn't win by having better ideas than the Republicans. They didn't have any ideas worth talking about, in fact - nothing but the same tired ploys: raising taxes, expanding government restrictions and regulations, more socialism, and abandoning our allies in Iraq. Most of those "ideas" have been tried in this country many times, and have usually been soundly defeated... until now. And they were no more viable for this election, than they were in any other for the past 12 years.

And it's silly to complain that a biased media caused the losses. Hell, the media has been this biased in EVERY election in living memory, but Republicans usually won. In fact, for this election, the recent emergence of comparatively neutral outlets such as the Intenet and Fox News, made the overall total of media liberal bias slightly LESS than it has been in the past... though not much. The media didn't make the difference here. Republicans losing their base, mostly by drifting away from conservatism and small government, made the difference.

Sure, Republicans had their problems and scandals, which didn't help. But the main causes of their electoral loss, were things like a new (unconstitutional) perscription drug entitlement, wishy-washiness in reining in the doomed (unconstitutional) Social Security program, passage of (unconstitutional) political campaign censorship, and other attempts to do modern-liberal things. If the Congress had voted on the conservative side (that is, obeying the Constitution) of these issues, enough additional people would have voted for them that they'd still have majorities in both houses of Congress, despite the ongoing war and resulting unpopularity generated by the media. Again, neither the media nor the Democrats caused Repubs to lose both houses. The Republicans caused it themselves, and have no one to blame but themselves.

The last three electoral landslides in recent history, were all caused directly by Republicans backing conservative ideas and not being afraid to say so: In 1994, 1984, and 1980. Hillarycare was voted down in a huff, and Republicans led by Newt Gingrich promised to bring conservative issues up for a vote in the House after yeaars of being bottled up in committee by Democrat majorities. As a result, Democrats were thrown out of office in numbers never seen before (or since), and a LARGE Republican majority was placed in both houses by the voters. Ronald Reagan promised the same four things he had been pushing for thirty years previous: Cut taxe rates, balance the budget, build up our military, and defeat the Soviet Union. He was elected in landslides, not once but twice, and even delivered on three of his four promises, defeated oonly the fourth only by a Democrat majority in the House.

America is a fundamentally conservative country. Very few Americans would steal from their neighbors to help a homeless guy or sick person or retiree. They would help out of their own pocket and ASK others to help. Very few would hand out free condoms to the girls in their neighborhoods. And very few would force their neighbors to pay their workers more than the workers were willing to accept - fundamental actions of modern liberals. They might try to talk their neighbors into doing some things, but respect their decisions in most actions short of outright fraud or murder - a conservative approach. Yet, oddly, they sometimes vote for politicians who promise to force those very things upon those same neighbors, plus others.

Republicans have done some good things in the last several years - cutting tax rates, confirming law-abiding judges, and successfully defending the nation after a sucker punch. That may have been enough to keep part of their voter base loyal. But they have also been doing more and more liberal things. And yesterday, some of the Americans who normally vote conservative, dumped some of the Republicans who have been drifting away from conservatism. Republicans have no one to blame but themselves for this.

Hopefully Republicans will take the hint. When they get together and push lower tax rates, lower Federal spending, fewer restrictions, and smaller government, they win by landslides. When they start promising (and delivering) unconstitutional programs and entitlements, spend money like drunken sailors on such programs, and imposing unconstitutional restrictions, they barely win by the skin of their teeth... and, as we just saw, they also lose.

Republicans have some thinking to do, about just what their party should be supporting... and why people have voted for them, when they did. And they'd better do it soon. Bush's tax cuts start expiring in 2010. They've got four years to get back on track, or they can kiss them goodbye... along with any claim they may have to being a party worthy of a conservative electorate's support.
 

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Debate the point or shut the hell up....

You think dems winning is due to any agenda or plan point one out. Otherwise recognize the facts...

Or keep smokin' your sig pic...

Ok, the Dems represent a change in the approach we have towards Iraq. This election was about Iraq. Reps failed to do what they said they would in Iraq, and they don't want to leave Iraq. Dems DO want to get our soldiers out of Iraq, and apparently so does the voters that elected Dems yesterday.


Now can I get back to :smoke:ing my oz?
 

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No doubt..this election was and is about IRAQ... Its so god damn funny to see the repubs say shit like the Dems ran to the right thus every liberal voter voted Democrat..That is so damn funny. Repubs lost because people are fucking sick of them. Did that thought ever run across your puny little skull ?
 

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Ok, the Dems represent a change in the approach we have towards Iraq. This election was about Iraq. Reps failed to do what they said they would in Iraq, and they don't want to leave Iraq. Dems DO want to get our soldiers out of Iraq, and apparently so does the voters that elected Dems yesterday.


Now can I get back to :smoke:ing my oz?
Agreed. Enjoy the smoke. The sig pic looks like some killer.........................
 

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No doubt..this election was and is about IRAQ... Its so god damn funny to see the repubs say shit like the Dems ran to the right thus every liberal voter voted Democrat..That is so damn funny. Repubs lost because people are fucking sick of them. Did that thought ever run across your puny little skull ?
Keep believing that. I wouldn't want you to see the truck coming before it hits you.

Republicans defeated themselves by acting like Democrats -- refusing to vote or crossing party lines because they weren't getting their way and sitting around whining.

The Dems didn't do shit to win, and more than likely going to take up accomplishing what they were when they got booted out in the 90s -- nothing.

As far as being a "sore loser goes" -- how do you figure? I didn't know Little-Acorn was running for office. The REAL losers are the American people --especially the middle class -- since the Republicans DIDN'T vote to stop libs from rolling back tax cuts. Guess I'll be working that second job again as I did during the 90s so some slug can suck off my tax dollars.
 

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The Dems didn't do shit to win, and more than likely going to take up accomplishing what they were when they got booted out in the 90s -- nothing.

The Dems said they do not approve of how the old Congress was handling Iraq. Neither did their fellow Dems or Moderates. They won b/c they will not let Bush and our gov. continue to waste our time in Iraq.

The people have spoken
 

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Historically since the 1940s the Presdents party has lost about 40 Congressional seats in the 6th year of his presidency. Since this time the GOP lost less than 30, it appears that they have done all right.

Also, it appears that about 18 Democrats won on Conservative platforms (not that I believe them). Therefore Acorn's statement about the GOP losing seats because they abandoned Conservatism is correct.

Coupled with Pelosi's move to the center (fake, actually) and the multiple losses of the pro gay marraige lobby this shows a net loss for Liberalism more than a loss for the GOP.
 

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The Dems said they do not approve of how the old Congress was handling Iraq. Neither did their fellow Dems or Moderates. They won b/c they will not let Bush and our gov. continue to waste our time in Iraq.

The people have spoken
You need to lay off the smoke, dude. It's addled your brain. The "people" are disgruntled Republicans who aren't getting their asses kissed. They're the ones who spoke by NOT speaking. Otherwise, this election would have turned out like the last.

And again, this election being a referendum on the Iraq War alone is nothing more than the media blowing smoke up everyone's asses. Worked like a charm on you.
 

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