Dems at it again

[RetiredGySgt]

The democrats want to force everyone into socialized medicine and in a step to try to bring that closer to reality tried to cut the Medicare program that allows Medicare recipients the right to chose their own doctors. Then when the Senate Republicans prevented the cuts, the Dems claimed it was a dire problem caused by the Republicans.

Remind us again you liberals how it was bad for Republicans to when they ran Congress to supposedly not compromise but its GOOD when Democrats won't compromise.

Medicare fees to doctors fall Tuesday - Yahoo! News

 

[Foxfyre]

The democrats want to force everyone into socialized medicine and in a step to try to bring that closer to reality tried to cut the Medicare program that allows Medicare recipients the right to chose their own doctors. Then when the Senate Republicans prevented the cuts, the Dems claimed it was a dire problem caused by the Republicans.

Remind us again you liberals how it was bad for Republicans to when they ran Congress to supposedly not compromise but its GOOD when Democrats won't compromise.

Medicare fees to doctors fall Tuesday - Yahoo! News

When Medicare and Medicaid were signed into law by President Johnson in 1965, it fundamentally changed healthcare in the United States forever. By 1972 when all disabled persons became eligible for coverage, private insurance had made practical adjustments and only the very wealthy among those eligible for the government programs could afford to opt out of them.

I believe that these government programs, for various reasons, provided incentive to stress the healthcare system and this is resulted in a good amount of the excessive increase in healthcare costs. But millions are now 'trapped' in the system and reversing the negatives has far reaching consequences as is illustrated in the linked article.

Surely this at least gives pause for thought when we discuss putting all the rest of the healthcare system under government authority. This certainly should be a warning shot across the bow.

 

[editec]

Perceptive insight regarding the cost of health care, FoxFyre. You're spot on accurate in noting that medicade/medicare were the engines which kicked over the insane rise in health care costs.

I wish I could convince my more liberally minded chums that simply throwing money at the problem (in the form of single payer universal health care insurance) will actually make the rising cost of health care even worse in the medium run.

 

[jillian]

I totally love threads like this where the person who started it and is whining about socialized medicine gets all his medical needs paid for by the government.

lol... too funny.

 

[Foxfyre]

You're missing the point, Jillian. The point is that once the government forces us into a system, we are often no longer free to make choices for ourselves and become at the mercy of whatever the government wants to do for us or to us. And that is the scary part about all of this.

 

[jillian]

You're missing the point, Jillian. The point is that once the government forces us into a system, we are often no longer free to make choices for ourselves and become at the mercy of whatever the government wants to do for us or to us. And that is the scary part about all of this.

nothing scary about it any more than RGS getting all of his healthcare paid for, but saying others should have to go bankrupt to pay for their medical care.... and the politicians who made sure that THEY had health coverage but won't give it to constitutents.

Fact: as of about two years ago, there were 5 million more people who were uninsured than in 2000.

Fact: 50% of bankruptcies are the result of uninsured medical expenses.

Fact: 3 percent of the 8.3 million identity-theft victims in 2005 reported that thieves used their information to get medical care or supplies. http://www.nypost.com/seven/06292008/news/regionalnews/this_id_thefts_inconceivable_117777.htm


Fact: Enormous percentages of poor people use hospital emergency rooms as primary care physicians b/c they can't afford to go to doctors...that means a) when they finally get to the doctor, treatment is much more expensive; and b) THEY aren't paying for it... we are.

Fact: Hospitals charge more to uninsured people for health care than they do people WITH insurance.

Fact: We can't compete in the auto industry because every other industrialized nation provides health coverage for their population so companies don't have to add $2,000 to the cost of each auto for health insurance expenses.

Now THOSE things are what's scary.

Guess it's just what resonates for you.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

You missed the ntire point, as usual. The democrats want to enslave whom ever qualifies into only seeing doctors THEY ( Te Government) approves of.

Last I checked everything run BY the Government always costs MORE not less. It breeds laziness and incompetence when the Government runs the business. But go on and on about how letting the Government run health care will somehow be good this time.

Most of my medical is paid for by the VA/Tricare because I EARNED it. The rest is paid by Medicare because I paid into the system and being disabled I am entitled to draw from the system.

Let me know when you consider any other employer paid healthcare programs to be socialized Medicine.

 

[DiamondDave]

I totally love threads like this where the person who started it and is whining about socialized medicine gets all his medical needs paid for by the government.

lol... too funny.

Yeah... totally discount that a retired military person EARNED them with employment/years of actual service


And you also forgot that FACT: The government is not your mommy.

You are the only person personally responsible for you and your family. You want something, earn it. You want better health coverage, do what it takes to advance your career into a job and employer that has good benefits.

 

[jillian]

Yeah... totally discount that a retired military person EARNED them with employment/years of actual service


And you also forgot that FACT: The government is not your mommy.

You are the only person personally responsible for you and your family. You want something, earn it. You want better health coverage, do what it takes to advance your career into a job and employer that has good benefits.

Because it's so good for a democratic society to have an underclass.... particularly one that's been fostered, at least in part, by the insurance lobby and the AMA....

good on!

 

[DiamondDave]

It is good for a freedom based society that is supposedly run by a democratic REPUBLIC to have freedom and personal responsibility at the forefront instead of a total control socialist system

Again... you are the only one responsible for you... if you are able bodied/able minded, you have what you need to get what you need and want.... it is just a matter of whether you WANT to do what it takes.... unfortunately, the Robin hood liberals think the world owes them, and all those like them, something for nothing

 

[Ravi]

Yeah... totally discount that a retired military person EARNED them with employment/years of actual service

Just like almost every other American that pays into medicare, social security, and federal income tax.

 

[Shogun]

You missed the ntire point, as usual. The democrats want to enslave whom ever qualifies into only seeing doctors THEY ( Te Government) approves of.

Last I checked everything run BY the Government always costs MORE not less. It breeds laziness and incompetence when the Government runs the business. But go on and on about how letting the Government run health care will somehow be good this time.

Most of my medical is paid for by the VA/Tricare because I EARNED it. The rest is paid by Medicare because I paid into the system and being disabled I am entitled to draw from the system.

Let me know when you consider any other employer paid healthcare programs to be socialized Medicine.

Is that how you feel about the MILITARY and POLICE?


Hey, we have a Blackwater free market option now, right buddy? You know, since EVERYTHING ran by the gov is pathetic like that....


right?


Why do you support Socialized Militaries and Socialized public safety, RGS?

 

[DiamondDave]

Just like almost every other American that pays into medicare, social security, and federal income tax.

Yes... and medicare/medicaid for those who are proven to be unable to take care of themselves is a good thing... Social Security (at the time it was thought of and before it was raped for gain) was a nice idea at the time.... and federal income tax is there to pay for national defense and the running of government for the creation, enforcement, and interpretation of law... the federal government was NEVER set up to be a babysitter for those who refuse to take care of themselves, or refuse to take personal responsibility for their own well being

 

[Foxfyre]

In my opinion, the issue here is NOT what the problems are but rather a) what caused them so we don't continue to cause them and b) what is the most effective and efficient means of addressing them. In my opinion, the government should restrict itself to that which cannot be done more effectively/efficiently/economically in the private sector and otherwise should butt out. A government that can assume the power to remedy all human problems can assume the power to do anything it wants. I choose not to assign that kind of power to the government.

 

[editec]

Yeah... totally discount that a retired military person EARNED them with employment/years of actual service

It cracks me up when military retired personal wax poetic about how wonderful the free market is for everyone else, too.

Of course it's wonderful socialism for military retired.

they enjoy 100% socialized medicine while 50,000,000 Americans go without in the capitalist system they're stuck with, too, eh?

 

[Ravi]

Yes... and medicare/medicaid for those who are proven to be unable to take care of themselves is a good thing... Social Security (at the time it was thought of and before it was raped for gain) was a nice idea at the time.... and federal income tax is there to pay for national defense and the running of government for the creation, enforcement, and interpretation of law... the federal government was NEVER set up to be a babysitter for those who refuse to take care of themselves, or refuse to take personal responsibility for their own well being

Like the retired military?

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Is that how you feel about the MILITARY and POLICE?


Hey, we have a Blackwater free market option now, right buddy? You know, since EVERYTHING ran by the gov is pathetic like that....


right?


Why do you support Socialized Militaries and Socialized public safety, RGS?

Apples and Oranges, retard. But do play on like it means something. Ohh and totally discount the fact that the Military is a specific power given to the Government where as health care is NOT. You are an idiot.

By the way, yes the military and the police are badly financed. If you knew anything about them you would know about the inherient money problems they have because of a Government mind set that PREVENTS saving money.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Like the retired military?

Moron. The Military Retiree EARNED an agree upon retirement package based on his or her service to this country IN the military. They willingly surrender part of the rights and privileges and agree to risk life and limb if called on in defense or just training with the Military.

People like you are to stupid to even discuss the issue with.

 

[Ravi]

Moron. The Military Retiree EARNED an agree upon retirement package based on his or her service to this country IN the military. They willingly surrender part of the rights and privileges and agree to risk life and limb if called on in defense or just training with the Military.

People like you are to stupid to even discuss the issue with.

I've heard tell of people that willingly pay into the social security, medicare, and income tax fund. It's called being an American.

 

[CSM]

I've heard tell of people that willingly pay into the social security, medicare, and income tax fund. It's called being an American.

Of course said "willing" person will go to jail (do not pass GO; do not collect $200) if they DON'T pay .....