Democrats' white male problem

[Seawytch]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

Decades ago, my father, a WW2 Vet worked as a pipefitter out of a labor union. Like most of his fellow pipefitters at the time, he was a pro labor, pro union Democrat.

White working class males were the backbone of the Democratic party for many years, but recently things have changed. In their headlong pursuit of diversity, the Democratic party have showcased women and minorities to the point of white males having been marginalized and even scorned by the Democrats as racist, sexist bigots, and often treated as 2nd class citizens. Not surprisingly, this has caused many working class white men to drift to the GOP where they feel more accepted. This stupid move by the left wing has been the reason democrats have lost elections.

Democrats - get it through your head. White males vote in large numbers, and if you don't start making them feel more valued in your "big tent" that tent won't be big enough, and you'll just keep losing.

If you go out and call someone the "Basket of Deplorables" and suggest that they should be wiped from the earth, they aren't as likely to support you at the polls.

Opinion polls in 1920's/ early 1930's Germany showed the National Socialist Party didn't poll very well with Jewish voters either.

Here is who Hillary labeled deplorable;

Racists
Sexists
Homophobes
Xenophobes
Islamaphobes

Pretty much who everyone (except Trump supporters) find deplorable. And she said nothing about "wiping them from the earth". Although...

I'd be cool if those THINGS were wiped from the earth.

 

[Seawytch]

Yeah, it's a serious question. What is "this"? What is it you perceive is going on with white males? Do you perceive they are being somehow oppressed? Your "payback" comment indicates you do.

I find it very difficult to believe you don't know what I'm talking about, so I won't burn a lot of bandwidth here.

To answer your question: "This" would the various current cultural/sociological behaviors manifesting from the term "male privilege".

Your agreement is not required, nor is your stated recognition of that term.
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You didn't answer the question. Recognizing that male or white privilege exists does not equal male oppression. Your payback comment indicates you perceive that white men ARE being oppressed as some sort of retaliation for the past oppression of minorities and women. Men, especially white men aren't being oppressed.

I haven't said that white men are being oppressed.

What I am saying is that I can understand the concern that many have over some cultural/sociological behaviors manifesting from the term "male privilege".

And I have no doubt that there is an element of payback in these behaviors, both from my own observations and many conversations within my own large, mixed race family, my large, mixed race in-law family and friends. So denials of the obvious are worthless to me.
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You don't see any opression, but you think there may be an element of payback in this oppression no one is experiencing. Um, okay...

That's not what I said. That's your third straw man. I can see this won't be an honest conversation.

I'm not trying to convince you of anything. You asked, I answered.
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Sorry if my questions left you feeling oppressed.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

Is this a serious question?
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Yeah, it's a serious question. What is "this"? What is it you perceive is going on with white males? Do you perceive they are being somehow oppressed? Your "payback" comment indicates you do.

I find it very difficult to believe you don't know what I'm talking about, so I won't burn a lot of bandwidth here.

To answer your question: "This" would the various current cultural/sociological behaviors manifesting from the term "male privilege".

Your agreement is not required, nor is your stated recognition of that term.
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You didn't answer the question. Recognizing that male or white privilege exists does not equal male oppression. Your payback comment indicates you perceive that white men ARE being oppressed as some sort of retaliation for the past oppression of minorities and women. Men, especially white men aren't being oppressed.

I know it's just one datapoint, but it makes an argument:

It took my Nephew one year to get a job in Computer Science Field. He applied to a multitude of places and is very sharp. Someone you would want to hire. He and his girlfriend graduated with Computer Science degrees from Cal-Poly. She submitted three applications, interviewed three times and was offered two jobs for her effort. It took her < 30 days from Graduating. My Nephew submitted more than 40 applications, interviewed 5 times and was offered one job. It took him a year to get a job. I asked him why it took so long in consideration of his degree and where it was from and he replied "I'm a white male" He is a liberal.

Go figure.

The nephew should have said he was an Indian, and he would have been hired in a flash like Pocahontas was at Harvard.

When my son was looking for work in the computer field he submitted hundreds of resumes without a call back. Then he resubmitted the exact same resume under the name Mohammed Arunja and got a call back on all of them. No job. Just an interview.

Then Trump was elected. He's doing very well now.

 

[skews13]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

Decades ago, my father, a WW2 Vet worked as a pipefitter out of a labor union. Like most of his fellow pipefitters at the time, he was a pro labor, pro union Democrat.

White working class males were the backbone of the Democratic party for many years, but recently things have changed. In their headlong pursuit of diversity, the Democratic party have showcased women and minorities to the point of white males having been marginalized and even scorned by the Democrats as racist, sexist bigots, and often treated as 2nd class citizens. Not surprisingly, this has caused many working class white men to drift to the GOP where they feel more accepted. This stupid move by the left wing has been the reason democrats have lost elections.

Democrats - get it through your head. White males vote in large numbers, and if you don't start making them feel more valued in your "big tent" that tent won't be big enough, and you'll just keep losing.

Here's your problem scooter. A lot of white males also vote Democrat, so you don't have a lock on that demographic. And in case you didn't notice, you have lost the last three elections convincingly, because white educated women in the suburbs now counter the white male vote. Throw in the minority vote, and now 12 million more Millennials that will be eligible voters next year, and your problems are only growing larger. And to make things even worse on top of all of that, a large portion of white male voters that vote for Trump last time, are saying they won't this time.

The Clertis vote ain't gettin' it done for you anymore son.

 

[Ken Mac]

Yeah, it's a serious question. What is "this"? What is it you perceive is going on with white males? Do you perceive they are being somehow oppressed? Your "payback" comment indicates you do.

I find it very difficult to believe you don't know what I'm talking about, so I won't burn a lot of bandwidth here.

To answer your question: "This" would the various current cultural/sociological behaviors manifesting from the term "male privilege".

Your agreement is not required, nor is your stated recognition of that term.
.

You didn't answer the question. Recognizing that male or white privilege exists does not equal male oppression. Your payback comment indicates you perceive that white men ARE being oppressed as some sort of retaliation for the past oppression of minorities and women. Men, especially white men aren't being oppressed.

I know it's just one datapoint, but it makes an argument:

It took my Nephew one year to get a job in Computer Science Field. He applied to a multitude of places and is very sharp. Someone you would want to hire. He and his girlfriend graduated with Computer Science degrees from Cal-Poly. She submitted three applications, interviewed three times and was offered two jobs for her effort. It took her < 30 days from Graduating. My Nephew submitted more than 40 applications, interviewed 5 times and was offered one job. It took him a year to get a job. I asked him why it took so long in consideration of his degree and where it was from and he replied "I'm a white male" He is a liberal.

Go figure.

The nephew should have said he was an Indian, and he would have been hired in a flash like Pocahontas was at Harvard.

When my son was looking for work in the computer field he submitted hundreds of resumes without a call back. Then he resubmitted the exact same resume under the name Mohammed Arunja and got a call back on all of them. No job. Just an interview.

Then Trump was elected. He's doing very well now.

See, now that's white privelege for you (/s)

 

[mudwhistle]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

Decades ago, my father, a WW2 Vet worked as a pipefitter out of a labor union. Like most of his fellow pipefitters at the time, he was a pro labor, pro union Democrat.

White working class males were the backbone of the Democratic party for many years, but recently things have changed. In their headlong pursuit of diversity, the Democratic party have showcased women and minorities to the point of white males having been marginalized and even scorned by the Democrats as racist, sexist bigots. Not surprisingly, this has caused many working class white men to drift to the GOP where they feel more accepted. This stupid move by the left wing has been the reason democrats have lost elections, and if the left wing does not stop treating white males as 2nd class citizens, they are going to continue to lose.

Democrats - get it through your head. White males vote in large numbers, and if you don't start making them feel more valued in your "big tent" that tent won't be big enough, and you'll just keep losing.

The problem here is that the party is now largely under the control of the illiberal leftist authoritarians who are 100% committed to political correctness and identity politics.

So white men (and particularly straight white men) are welcome to come along for the ride, their votes are appreciated for sure, but at this point they are simply second class citizens who'd damn well better know their place and watch what they say.

That's just the reality at this point.
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I'm starting to get the impression that "White Males" are to root of all the world's woes... I feel like I'm haven't been doing my part...

White male here. White men have been in charge of the country since its founding. The idea that trying to level the playing field so that non-white makes can have a seat at the table is not “threatening”.

Except that no one is complaining about a level playing field. THe complaints were vague, but clearly not that.


So, you want to address what was actually said, instead of the strawman you made up?

The OP is 100% correct as is Mac.

What they neglected to bring up is the number 1 reason this has happened------------->identity politics, and victimology! You can not be a victim politically, without an oppressor. The Left has designated white males as the oppressor, and the excuse for everything that is bad politically for the oppressed. All you need do is look back on Google to the last 2 Bush Presidency's along with Reagan, and see how they were characterized by the Left. All 3 of them were called every name that Trump is being called today. For that matter, so was Mcain as he ran against Obama, and so was Romney. The Left has now reaped what they have sown for decades!

Let us ALL face the reality---------------->the Lefts policies, they can NOT run on!

Free healthcare to illegals?

Open borders, or more open borders?

Pay higher taxes?

Closed school systems where there is no freedom of choice for minorities?

And the list goes on!

So what they have to do is create the atmosphere that these things that help most people are being done for some nefarious reason to unfairly help their boogeyman of choice, and that would be most male Caucasians, then attempt to make their constituents despise the boogeyman, and vote against their own self interest in the attempt to punish said boogeyman!

Just consider what is obvious to everyone who can think, including the Leftists; and believe it or not, they may lie like hell, but they can think--------------> If you start to work and move up the ladder, when you actually get to the point where you pay more into taxes then you receive back, what percentage of people are going to vote themselves a significant tax HIKE?

So how do you make it palatable? Tell the people that it is racist, sexist, or homophobic not to pay MORE taxes, and join the woke crowd! Sounds ridiculous when you read it, doesn't it! But that is exactly the method they use as Leftists. And yet, if you read polling, you will notice a significant uptick in Black support for Trump. Numerous polling says this is true, and he is hovering somewhere in the low 20% range. If this is accurate, the Left has already lost, and that is the brutal truth if it becomes fact on election day!

It’s just hard to see me as white males as some victim of oppression.

The oppression is selective right now.
Eventually Democrats want to make it all encompassing.

They're beginning with creating false stereotypes in Television programming and movies.
They want white kids in school to hate the color of their own skin....so they're brainwashing them into pointing fingers at White Conservative ideology.
They're breeding hatred for whites in the black and Hispanic community. Whites are under attack in large cities from roaming thugs looking for someone to knock out or beat up.
It will only get worse as they continue to trash being white in every part of our society.
If you dare to stand up and say it's okay to be white....you're labeled a racist.

 

[basquebromance]

It is not about who can get 90-plus percent of the African American vote. Everybody in this field right now will get 90-plus percent of the African American vote. What we need is a candidate that could draw larger black turnout, record black turnout. The last time we won, we won with a candidate that got record black turnout

It’s not just the issues that are not discussed. It is the contours and quality of that discussion

you can’t talk about LGBTQ issues without talking about violence against black trans women. You can’t talk about entrepreneurialism and not talk about the incredible dearth of access to capital for people of color

 

[Polishprince]

It is not about who can get 90-plus percent of the African American vote. Everybody in this field right now will get 90-plus percent of the African American vote. What we need is a candidate that could draw larger black turnout, record black turnout. The last time we won, we won with a candidate that got record black turnout

It’s not just the issues that are not discussed. It is the contours and quality of that discussion

you can’t talk about LGBTQ issues without talking about violence against black trans women. You can’t talk about entrepreneurialism and not talk about the incredible dearth of access to capital for people of color

Black Trans women were treated decently in the past, what is the problem today?

 

[Correll]

It’s just hard to see me as white males as some victim of oppression.

Agreed, for sane people.....but there is a "I'm a victim" component that CRC's (white male version) like to parade.

There are documented cases of white males being discriminated again. There are well researched and peer reviewed studies on how much discrimination white males face.


Your statement is known to be factually inaccurate, by everyone.

Then you will have no problem sharing some of those "well-researched" and "documented cases" with us.

Why? We both know about them. I've posted them here before. YOu've read them.


Let's skip forward to the point where you don't care that it is true, and you just insult me and deflect from the facts.

You've posted nothing....and now you are using the well-worn excuse because your bluff has been called. But, carry on in your perceived victimhood.

Your demand for data that you are completely aware of, and have been shown before, was answered.


YOu saying "victimhood" is just you being a troll.

 

[22lcidw]

THOUGHTS FROM AN INDEPENDENT

Decades ago, my father, a WW2 Vet worked as a pipefitter out of a labor union. Like most of his fellow pipefitters at the time, he was a pro labor, pro union Democrat.

White working class males were the backbone of the Democratic party for many years, but recently things have changed. In their headlong pursuit of diversity, the Democratic party have showcased women and minorities to the point of white males having been marginalized and even scorned by the Democrats as racist, sexist bigots, and often treated as 2nd class citizens. Not surprisingly, this has caused many working class white men to drift to the GOP where they feel more accepted. This stupid move by the left wing has been the reason democrats have lost elections.

Democrats - get it through your head. White males vote in large numbers, and if you don't start making them feel more valued in your "big tent" that tent won't be big enough, and you'll just keep losing.

If you go out and call someone the "Basket of Deplorables" and suggest that they should be wiped from the earth, they aren't as likely to support you at the polls.

Opinion polls in 1920's/ early 1930's Germany showed the National Socialist Party didn't poll very well with Jewish voters either.

Here is who Hillary labeled deplorable;

Racists
Sexists
Homophobes
Xenophobes
Islamaphobes

Pretty much who everyone (except Trump supporters) find deplorable. And she said nothing about "wiping them from the earth". Although...

I'd be cool if those THINGS were wiped from the earth.

But that was Hillary. A corrupted non indicted liar, murderer, extortionist, protector of a rapist, thief and drug and alcohol abuser. The very flower of Prog foundation. Don't worry. When you come back to power you will tell us how classy the Prog president is.

 

[Correll]

So white men are complaining about perceiving they are being treated the way women and minorities have historically been treated. Interesting..

First, a white male today is not responsible for what happened in our history. Second, two wrongs don't make a right.

So if this is about payback, I don't think it's an unreasonable concern.
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White men aren't actually being treated the way women and minorities have been...so, strawman.

There are obviously different ways to be discriminated against.


Yes, white men are not being owned as slaves.


That does not mean that white male students, are not being discriminated against in college admissions.


Your claim that it does mean that, is senseless.

Where?

In admissions is what I am thinking of, though I am sure there is discrimination in other places.


Not sure what the point of your post is. Use words.

 

[Seawytch]

So white men are complaining about perceiving they are being treated the way women and minorities have historically been treated. Interesting..

First, a white male today is not responsible for what happened in our history. Second, two wrongs don't make a right.

So if this is about payback, I don't think it's an unreasonable concern.
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White men aren't actually being treated the way women and minorities have been...so, strawman.

There are obviously different ways to be discriminated against.


Yes, white men are not being owned as slaves.


That does not mean that white male students, are not being discriminated against in college admissions.


Your claim that it does mean that, is senseless.

Where?

In admissions is what I am thinking of, though I am sure there is discrimination in other places.


Not sure what the point of your post is. Use words.

And "in admissions" there is no discrimination against white males, obviously.

 

[Seawytch]

Editorial: Who benefits from discriminatory college admissions policies? White males

 

[Correll]

First, a white male today is not responsible for what happened in our history. Second, two wrongs don't make a right.

So if this is about payback, I don't think it's an unreasonable concern.
.

White men aren't actually being treated the way women and minorities have been...so, strawman.

There are obviously different ways to be discriminated against.


Yes, white men are not being owned as slaves.


That does not mean that white male students, are not being discriminated against in college admissions.


Your claim that it does mean that, is senseless.

Where?

In admissions is what I am thinking of, though I am sure there is discrimination in other places.


Not sure what the point of your post is. Use words.

And "in admissions" there is no discrimination against white males, obviously.

Massive discrimination, documented and proved and posted here, many times.


You are being silly, and insanely dishonest in the support of racist discrimination.



WHy? You are not fooling anyone, not even yourself. YOu look silly and racist. Even to yourself.


WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?

 

[Seawytch]

White men aren't actually being treated the way women and minorities have been...so, strawman.

There are obviously different ways to be discriminated against.


Yes, white men are not being owned as slaves.


That does not mean that white male students, are not being discriminated against in college admissions.


Your claim that it does mean that, is senseless.

Where?

In admissions is what I am thinking of, though I am sure there is discrimination in other places.


Not sure what the point of your post is. Use words.

And "in admissions" there is no discrimination against white males, obviously.

Massive discrimination, documented and proved and posted here, many times.


You are being silly, and insanely dishonest in the support of racist discrimination.



WHy? You are not fooling anyone, not even yourself. YOu look silly and racist. Even to yourself.


WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?

Weird that the only actual evidence provided does not support your contention.

White men aren't being discriminated against or oppressed....anywhere. Stop with your victim mentality.

 

[bodecea]

My unofficial poll of old union guys is that they are generally Trump supporters.
They prefer the new populist GOP to the new socialist DNC.

The Socialist DNC will cost the unions jobs. Modern Day Democrats care more about blaming climate change on Man, perpetuating welfare among able-bodies unwilling to work, and open borders. Democrats ODST believe white working males are racist anyways.

Ironic considering that CRCs are going after Unions.

Where did you get that idea? Christians are opposed to people being FORCED to join unions, but if someone voluntarily decides to pay tribute to the local labor bosses, that's their own affair.

I agree that people shouldn't be forced to join Unions....but those that don't join unions should not get the pay/benefit advantages of collective bargaining either provided by the union. When hired, they are free to sign a waiver with that understanding.

Big Labor would never go for that, bode.

If an employer negotiated a higher wage for one of his Scab employees than the unionized staff was getting, the union bosses would have a cow.

You honestly believe an individual would be able to negotiate a better pay raise than collective bargaining would?

 

[initforme]

White males have never had it better. Weve always had it easy. Still do.

 

[Correll]

There are obviously different ways to be discriminated against.


Yes, white men are not being owned as slaves.


That does not mean that white male students, are not being discriminated against in college admissions.


Your claim that it does mean that, is senseless.

Where?

In admissions is what I am thinking of, though I am sure there is discrimination in other places.


Not sure what the point of your post is. Use words.

And "in admissions" there is no discrimination against white males, obviously.

Massive discrimination, documented and proved and posted here, many times.


You are being silly, and insanely dishonest in the support of racist discrimination.



WHy? You are not fooling anyone, not even yourself. YOu look silly and racist. Even to yourself.


WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS TO YOURSELF?

Weird that the only actual evidence provided does not support your contention.

White men aren't being discriminated against or oppressed....anywhere. Stop with your victim mentality.

1. It is an asshole move to request information we all know is true, and I'm not going to play your silly game. The discrimination has been well researched, documented, peer reviewed and presented here, by me, many times. If you want to look it up yourself, to review it, AGAIN, before discussing it, knock yourself out.


2. What evidence are you referring to? What point do you think you have shown? Use words, be clear, so I can laugh at it, precisely and crush you.

 

[bodecea]

You just said "if this is payback". What "this"?

Is this a serious question?
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Yeah, it's a serious question. What is "this"? What is it you perceive is going on with white males? Do you perceive they are being somehow oppressed? Your "payback" comment indicates you do.

I find it very difficult to believe you don't know what I'm talking about, so I won't burn a lot of bandwidth here.

To answer your question: "This" would the various current cultural/sociological behaviors manifesting from the term "male privilege".

Your agreement is not required, nor is your stated recognition of that term.
.

You didn't answer the question. Recognizing that male or white privilege exists does not equal male oppression. Your payback comment indicates you perceive that white men ARE being oppressed as some sort of retaliation for the past oppression of minorities and women. Men, especially white men aren't being oppressed.

I know it's just one datapoint, but it makes an argument:

It took my Nephew one year to get a job in Computer Science Field. He applied to a multitude of places and is very sharp. Someone you would want to hire. He and his girlfriend graduated with Computer Science degrees from Cal-Poly. She submitted three applications, interviewed three times and was offered two jobs for her effort. It took her < 30 days from Graduating. My Nephew submitted more than 40 applications, interviewed 5 times and was offered one job. It took him a year to get a job. I asked him why it took so long in consideration of his degree and where it was from and he replied "I'm a white male" He is a liberal.

Go figure.

It is always a convenient crutch as to why one doesn't get hired, isn't it? Are you asserting that his girlfriend got a job she wasn't deserving of?

 

[Correll]

White males have never had it better. Weve always had it easy. Still do.

SPeak for yourself. I've had plenty of struggles. My peers? DItto. No one I know has "had it easy".