Democrats viscerally oppose the wishes of the left and The People; here's how to confirm this...

[Resnic]

They demonstrate they are so opposed to the wishes of the people and the good of the country every day.

Illegals flooding in and causing problems and rotting America away? They do absolutely nothing to stop it, nothing.

Rampant crime, theft, assaults, drugs in many places all around the country? They do nothing about it. They don't lock up and punish criminals, hire more cops, crack down on crime.

Shootings? They do nothing. They don't treat criminals like criminals. They let crazy people and dopeheads run around. They want to get rid of guns instead of getting rid of the people who use the guns to hurt people.

Inflation and economical issues? They pump billions and billions and billions and billions into Ukraine and places like ford for electric cars while their sales are down, they send it to other countries and so on. Then they consistently raise rates on people.

High energy prices? They do everything they can to hamper America from being energy independent.

The list goes on and on. What is good for Americans and good for America they do the opposite or do nothing at all.

 

[pknopp]

There's no oil in Syria. Their oil production peaked n 1994.

Yes but the pipeline was being planned on running through Syria. All the same...........

US deploying more troops around Syria oil fields after killing of Isis leader

 

[BackAgain]

Me too; I couldn’t remember if I’d posted it or just thought about doing so.

3% is likely high, as I said.

Based on what? Pulling numbers out of thin air?

Here, it’s about 2% among active posters - just two leftists.

Repeating yourself isn’t the same as offering any support.

It’s not a definition, it’s a gauge.

Well, Bull. I asked for a definition. What is the definition?

 

[MinTrut]

There are Dems and Dem collaborators, we have no use for either.

RINOS are the worst, I agree.

 

[MinTrut]

It seems like the people you're calling the "left" are those who most political scientists and other commenters call the "far left" — democratic socialists, radical progressives, and outright anarchists. This is in contrast to the garden variety moderate-left liberals that make up most of the party. In that case, I think you made up the 3% number but your point isn't far off; the far left isn't in control of Democrats, and in fact has a bad (to them) habit of sabotaging Democratic initiatives if it didn't get its way (see Nader, Ralph and Stein, Jill).

Biden is the most progressive President we've ever had, but he's still firmly in the moderate camp.

A very thoughtful post - thank you.

But I’m simply talking about the tiny left, and not liberals who may describe themselves as leftist, but attack the left on the regular, and do nothing to advance the left’s (and most of the country’s) core agenda as I outlined it.
The 3% number is probably high, as I said, but whatever the number is, the number of ACTUAL leftists is miniscule; low single digits.

As far as Biden being the most progressive president we’ve ever had...

…I think we’ll need to agree to disagree on that.

Thanks again for your thoughtful reply.

 

[MinTrut]

We have two right wing parties in this country, but somehow many Americans don’t know this. The D Party and it’s supporters aren’t leftists, on this we are in complete agreement.

I’ve stated on this forum for years there is little difference between the D and R Parties. On nearly all big issues, they align. I don’t find many posters here who agree with me.

The D Party destroyed its left wing in order to appease the wealthy oligarchy and become the party of the establishment. I suspect this started with Clinton who turned his back to the working class and fully supported Wall Street and the MIC. O furthered this strategy in a big way, thus making the D Party much like the R Party.

^ Gets it.

And yes - Clinton was the game changer; Dukakis was the last old school Democrat, but the party was tired of losing, so completely sold out as you say.

 

[gipper]

^ Gets it.

And yes - Clinton was the game changer; Dukakis was the last old school Democrat, but the party was tired of losing, so completely sold out as you say.

This D Party betrayal of the people is evident in what O did. He sold himself as a change agent who many voters assumed meant he planned to support the people and not the wealthy establishment. Then he immediately gave his administration over to Wall Street, big pharma, and the MIC. His Ocare plan was a cowardly and covert effort to enrich the D Party by sucking up to big pharma to obtain huge political donations.

The ramifications this are evident today in the absurd support the D Party and it’s supporters gave big pharma, the vax, Fauci, and authoritarian actions by government including censorship.

 

[MinTrut]

Please name some policies and laws enacted by Joe that you consider progressive.

Thread win.

The few things that Biden has done - like the bogus debt forgiveness thing - were just stunts he (or his handlers) knew were illegal, and staged to win elections.

But no matter how blazingly obvious it is that the Democrats are just the OTHER party of corrupt/criminal conservative warmongering capitalism, conservatives will still insist they’re to the left of Lenin.

They’re living in a 1953 fever dream of Red Terror, and just won’t awaken to reality.

 

[MinTrut]

lib·er·al

adjective

willing to respect or accept behavior or opinions different from one's own; open to new ideas.

noun

a supporter of policies that are socially progressive and promote social welfare.

Yeah - this reminds me of what Gandhi (no great guy himself) said about Christians.

The definition of liberal, and the modern liberal?

Two vastly different things.

 

[pknopp]

Yeah - this reminds me of what Gandhi (no great guy himself) said about Christians.

The definition of liberal, and the modern liberal?

Two vastly different things.

I can't help people use the word incorrectly.

 

[Billiejeens]

And yet the only welfare Joe cares about are his ultra wealthy donors.

and family

 

[gipper]

Why do you think Hilary was a warmonger?

LMFAO!!!!!!

 

[surada]

LMFAO!!!!!!

Are you one of those who thinks the Arab Spring was a US plot?

 

[Votto]

There's ENORMOUS confusion in conservative circles about the left, specifically involving the conflation of this small group with the enormous group consisting of liberals/progressives/Democrats - the largest voting block in the country.

The actual left consists of about 3% of the voting population, while Democrats/liberals/progressives consist of more than 45%, and this much larger group in no way shares the primary aims of the left, nor The People at large.

If the left (and for the most part, The People) could have 3 wishes granted, these would be their top 3:

1) Affordable health care

2) Affordable housing

3) No more imperial war

And what have the Democrats done to address ANY of these desires?

As Biden said:

"I'm not a socialist - I beat the socialist."

And in this rare instance, he was speaking the truth, though cheated the socialist (actually social democrat) Sanders is much more accurate, as Bernie was stabbed in the back a second time in 2020 by the left-hating Democrats.

Were Democrats in ANY way leftist, they would have moved to secure Medicare for all or some other form of quasi-socialized medicine.

They did not & will not.

Were Democrats in ANY way leftist, they would have mobilized the federal government to create affordable housing.

They did not & will not.

Were Democrats in ANY way leftist, they would not have placed us on the brink of World War III.

But here we are.

And mind you, if the left had a 4th wish, it would be for secure borders, as how can you have a libertarian socialist utopia with millions of illegals pouring in and shredding the social safety net for the most vulnerable citizens?

No, the Democrats are clearly NOT aligned with leftist values, but PROFOUNDLY opposed to them.

This is reality, and continuing to conflate Democrats/liberals/progressives with the left is patently absurd.

No, Orange man bad

Besides, January 6th.

 

[gipper]

Are you one of those who thinks the Arab Spring was a US plot?

You once again change the subject after being exposed as a fool. This pattern of behavior could be a sign of dementia. Have you been tested?

 

[MinTrut]

Hillary = War monger. Bush = War monger.

If anything Hillary might have been even a bigger slave to Wall Street than Bush.

Recall when people wanted Hillary to release the transcripts containing what she promised Wall Street when they paid her all that money for speeches and she wouldn't do it?

THAT’s the PK I know & like!

 

[MinTrut]

And yet the only welfare Joe cares about are his ultra wealthy donors.

Because he is SUCH a MARXIST!!!!

 

[MinTrut]

O betrayed the working class as did Clinton and now Biden does too. We got Trump because of this D Party betrayal. Neo liberalism is responsible. Anger toward the ruling elites by the working class, gave us Trump. It just might happen again.

EXACTLY.

 

[MinTrut]

They demonstrate they are so opposed to the wishes of the people and the good of the country every day.

Illegals flooding in and causing problems and rotting America away? They do absolutely nothing to stop it, nothing.

Rampant crime, theft, assaults, drugs in many places all around the country? They do nothing about it. They don't lock up and punish criminals, hire more cops, crack down on crime.

Shootings? They do nothing. They don't treat criminals like criminals. They let crazy people and dopeheads run around. They want to get rid of guns instead of getting rid of the people who use the guns to hurt people.

Inflation and economical issues? They pump billions and billions and billions and billions into Ukraine and places like ford for electric cars while their sales are down, they send it to other countries and so on. Then they consistently raise rates on people.

High energy prices? They do everything they can to hamper America from being energy independent.

The list goes on and on. What is good for Americans and good for America they do the opposite or do nothing at all.

Democrats ARE the worst, yes.

(But they'e NOT leftists.)

 

[MinTrut]

This D Party betrayal of the people is evident in what O did. He sold himself as a change agent who many voters assumed meant he planned to support the people and not the wealthy establishment. Then he immediately gave his administration over to Wall Street, big pharma, and the MIC. His Ocare plan was a cowardly and covert effort to enrich the D Party by sucking up to big pharma to obtain huge political donations.

The ramifications this are evident today in the absurd support the D Party and it’s supporters gave big pharma, the vax, Fauci, and authoritarian actions by government including censorship.

^ Pretty much the thread win. (Again!)

But to conservatives, the criminal conservative warmongering capitalist Obama is a socialist.